Point one

are you seriously comparing writing complicated legislation that will affect the largest economy on earth to the engineers who designed the space shuttle!!!!!  that's a lame weak argument.  first off this legislation is going to cost the american taxpayer plenty of money, after i pay my 25 percent to the fed gov, 12 to SS, 9% sales tax, $110 a month to property tax, a road tax, what the heck, my kids don't need to eat.

do you seriously think that lawmakers don't have to read legislation?   Don't they owe it to us the american taxpayers to know what they are passing into law?  Its 1300 pages of BS and they didn't want people to go digging into it thats why it was rushed.

point two

hold on WE haven't paid all the cost of our pollution yet??????  WE? i haven't polluted.  i don't dump toxic chemicals, i don't own or run massive factories that pollute the air, and our industry now in this country is some of the cleanest in the world. The super duper federal gov't that is suppose to regulate pollution is also the single largest polluter in the country. And so now we will put limits on carbon dioxide production and that will fix it. This should work great.  so we are going to shoot our industry in the foot and leave the biggest polluters off the hook? INDIA, CHINA, THE MIDDLE EAST?  If we clean up our act and they don't what is it going to help? THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO COST OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS MONEY, NOT US.  They already have a massive competative advantage and now we are just putting the nail in the coffin for us industry.  So this is going to make jobs? What jobs?  Green power jobs? funded by the same BROKE gov't that you say has stolen our future inheritance? 

point three

Roads and infastructure are run at the state level, not a federal program.  As far as public programs go, cancer research, ok, we subsidize that, its not a gov't run program.  agricultural research?  we currently pay farm subsidies to farmers to NOT grow things, more than any other country.  and in fact without subsidies most american farmers would go broke, so our gov't program has just made them dependant. How has that helped us?  Free healthcare for kids?  are you just listing crap? you still haven't given me the ACTUAL GOVT PROGRAM.  are you refering to medicaid?  MEDICAID IS THE POSTER CHILD FOR FAILED GOVT PROGRAMS. if thats not what you were refering to that i don't know what your talking about.  As far as public education goes we have some of the worst in the modern world, so you think that is run well? Have you seen how we score worldwide?  how can you say public utilities charge less?  do companies compete to deliver water service where you live? how about electric.  did you shop around and see who would hook up to your house for less???? of course not.  so its not a valid point, it doesn't answer my question.  public utilities tend to be run well i agree.  but again its not a federal program.

my final thoughts

you can call me all the names you want but we are in our eleventh year of cooling according to a recent paper from the epa and even they have said that the lack of peer review in the global warming camp is problematic.  i guess im just an idiot because i tend to believe in science and actual hard data instead of a bunch of speculation and bad climate forecasting.  

Oh yes, capitalism doesn't work, the free market is a joke. The two largest economies on earth are free market, capitalist economies.  The UNITED STATES is moving rapidly twords a socialist economy and thats the problem here.  The government is making regulations that favor company A and hinder company B. I live in TN but i can't buy cheaper healthcare based out of GA.   Why? Because of government regulation thats why. The government chooses to bail out this company but not that one because of some buddies in the administration. You don't see a problem with this?  The free market works and it is proven to work.  We have a very high living standard in this country and its not because the government handed it to us.  What is your ideal ecenomic model? I'd love to hear it.