...that you have some sort of nature vs. nurture argument to be able to justify your position, but could you substitute "black" or "Jew" for "gay" and be happy with your assessment?  "Our military is doing a good job, and they don't want any blacks tap dancing or Jews counting money in the foxholes next to them.  That would be an obvious negative effect on morale (to ignorant people like yourself.)  If blacks want to organize a 20-minute-late military gold tooth pageant or Jews want to organize a briscuit and gelfilte fish dinner, I'm sure they would do a marvelous job, cracker/mensch."

I know--the argument is that sexuality is interior (unlike race) and if no one mentions it, no one will know.  That doesn't cover you from the religious part of my example, but regardless, it is bullsh*t anyway.  I have many friends in the military.  It is largely a bunch of 20-year-old guys killing time for months on end in close quarters.  You don't think (hetero) sex is brought up and discussed 50 times a week?  You don't think the guys talk about female celebrities and girlfriends and fellow female soldiers?  And female CIVILIANS in Iraq?  You don't think that most men can determine who in their unit is almost surely gay within a week without those soliders "putting the make on them in the heat of combat?"

This isn't Will and Grace, Ken.  We need all of the recruits we can get.  Morale drops a lot more from the fatigue of not having enough men than it does from proximity to something slightly out of a few bigots' comfort zones. 

by Milltycoon on 06/09/2009 12:45:39 AM EST

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The reality is that gays are not comfortable talking openly about "graphic homo sex" in general because our culture (especially males) is grossly homophobic. I think this is wrong. I can't see this as any different from people not being ok with interracial couples walking holding hands. The only way to change this is to let gay culture out of the closet. The stereotype that gay men are constantly hitting on straight males is offensive, in my opinion. It smacks of insecurity and honestly, I find it pathetic. As a female I have learned to accept that men I have no interest in are viewing me as a sex object. Why do men have so much trouble when this is reversed. If you are straight and comfortable with your sexuality, you should have no problem with another man being attracted to you. It could actually be seen as an unwelcome compliment. Females living with catcalls have gotten used to this. Men need to suck it up and face reality and stop being such infants about their sexuality. It should not be threatening.

by LadyFriend on 06/09/2009 11:24:18 AM EST

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I assumed that you were fine with women seeing you as a sex object. My question is why it is so threatening for men to see you as a sex object. In my experience, this freaks guys out and I think it's irrational.

by LadyFriend on 06/10/2009 11:57:29 AM EST

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I don't have a problem if women want to view me as a sex object.

Even if that "sex object" is a cock ring?

by OneHitKill on 06/11/2009 11:02:17 AM EST

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I dont mind straight people as long as they act gay in public. :)


by Chinese Democracy on 06/10/2009 03:02:31 AM EST

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as long as some of them can sing and dance like Judy Garland.  I'm tellin' ya, I saw the greatest show in Atlanta one time.  I laughed all night -- and some gal (I think it was actually a guy) bought me a drink!  How cool is that!

by AnEngineer on 06/10/2009 06:27:08 AM EST

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