Cenk, where you go wrong on 9-11. | 65 comments (65 topical, 0 hidden)
I absolutely agree (3.40 / 3)
I do want a much better investigation than the partisan and incomplete B.S. that we were fed by the 9/11 Commission.  It's sad that Obama is so busy burying the past.  We'll probably never have a good investigation.

But about the "undetonated thermite" that you mentioned:

Those were two huge buildings with a lot of people doing a lot of different things in them.  I believe there were also a lot of security personnel as well as laboratories of various sorts in those buildings.

Is there any reason to believe that the thermite didn't belong there?  You did say that it was UN-detonated.  If there had been traces of DETONATED thermite, then we'd be talking.

by AnEngineer on 06/09/2009 05:42:12 AM EST

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About Thermite (2.00 / 3)
Actually, detonated thermite remains is somewhat old news. Traces of it have been found in the clouds of dust that covered the city after 9/11, and has been cited as evidence of explosives, a "smoking gun", if you will. However...

These glowing, molten pools, cited as evidence of melted steel, and even chemicals directly caused by thermite, have been challenged by skeptics as being melted remains of office furniture, rugs, things that are typically found in a office skyscraper, and that, melted, some architecture can produce the chemicals that are found in thermite dust.

This is why unreacted thermite is a big deal. It adds credibility to the theory that the molten pools of metal found at the base of each tower was likely caused by properly detonated thermite. ...And the obvious question of... "Why would they be storing demolition explosives in the Trade Center?"

...Actually, I'm really bad at explaining things, I'm not a scientist. I could go on and on, but I have no credibility whatsoever, I just picked this information up with a little curiosity. Like I said, even opposing views such as mine should be questioned and scrutinized just as much as the government's.

What I really don't like is people saying "You have not sufficiently proven your case, therefore it is terrorists." No. For both the government's version of 9/11, and the alternative theories, you must start at "not guilty" and work your case. It shouldn't be "You have to prove to me terrorists are not guilty," because, well, that's not how our justice system works. You have to prove that they are guilty.

ANYWAYS, while I'm not staking my entire viewpoint on this one scientist, since you did show a little interest in the thermite, the interview can be found here. It is in Danish, with subtitles.
http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=8_tf25lx_3o

by Dradeeus on 06/09/2009 06:19:46 AM EST

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Here we go again (5.00 / 3)
"Traces of (thermite) have been found in the clouds of dust that covered the city after 9/11"

Given that thermite is iron oxide (rust) and aluminum, yes, it is not surprising those substances would be found in the atmosphere following the colapse of the WTC.

"molten pools of metal found at the base of each tower"

This, as well as the "thermite" blather are meaningless. Please, tell us what the significance of "thermite" means to you (as opposed to any other explosive substance, e.g. RDX, C4, etc...) and what conclusions you draw from "molten pools of metal" following a skyscraper fire?

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 06/10/2009 01:18:59 AM EST

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So the terrorists with boxcutters AREN'T guilty? (3.40 / 3)
I could not have stated it more clearly than you did: At this point you have to prove to me that the terrorists are not guilty.  I can't imagine any other reasonable position.

They took boxcutters on the planes.  They killed the pilots.  They piloted the planes into the buildings.  All of the evidence points that way and there is no contrary evidence.

Can you make an offer of proof that that isn't true? Or can we safely leave this subject behind until there is at least SOME actual evidence contradicting their guilt?

Beyond that, I have nothing more to say on this subject, and I can't spend any more time on useless, baseless conjecture.

by AnEngineer on 06/09/2009 07:31:27 AM EST

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