Even though you are trying to present an argument here for both sides it's pretty clear that you are biased towards conservative views from the way you have slanted the statements. Let me break down some of the things you said....

 

Dems "Free healthcare for everyone!"

Why this statement slanted,

 

Democrats want Universal healthcare, healthcare for everyone not free healthcare for everyone.

As for the argument that this will cost the tax payer more I'm not sure if you've looked into the way healthcare works right now but do you realise that if someone gets seriously sick they still get help in the form of going to the emergency room insured or not. And this costs the tax payer money, it actually costs more money because someone with a relatively easy to treat disease could have got help long before it developed into something more serious (and consequently more costly to treat). So really it's a win win. If I can prove to you it works out cheaper would you change your view? Or is there another reason you don't like the thought of universal healthcare?

 

As for torture it's about reputation yes, but it's also the fact that it doesn't work. If there's a bomb about go off in and hour in L.A and they have the terrorist who knows where it is, and they torture him. Do you really think he is going to say where it is? or do you think he's going to tell them it's in New York and watch them go the opposite way. This man is most likely willing to die for his cause why would give up useful information from being tortured?

 

As for Iraq you probably could justify going to war against Saddam because he was an evil man and killed thousands of people but do you know how many evil dictators there are in the world right now? And how many of those countries have been invaded? Not to mention that wasn't the justification used, WMD's and a connection to Al Queda were and those were blatant lies.

Anyway I respect that you at least put a weak opposition to the conservative points which is more than some.

 

 

 

by 0f course on 07/05/2009 07:57:33 AM EST

well yea i was trying to present equal sides of the argument, but apparently people on this site attack me due to conservative points, i recognize liberals that liberals want an end to this war, and who doesnt by the way, but i think its more of how we end it.

semper fidelis

by doominator on 07/06/2009 04:06:26 AM EST

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