Thanks for the link to Reich's article.  I enjoyed reading the responses to his article.  The readership at salon doesn't have too many loons, and reader's comments are usually reasoned.  And the responses to Reich's article were generally harshly critical of Obama, and not because they were from right wingers.  His critics are upset because he's not liberal or progressive enough.

Obama's critics on the left are heating up and growning in number.  That gives me hope.

Maybe if we kick his ass a little bit and his poll ratings go down enough, he'll start thinking that in order to keep his Favored Celebrity status he might want to satisfy the people who put him into office.

by EveningStarNM on 07/02/2009 12:22:19 PM EST

And this point needs to be pounded into the minds people who absurdly claim that Obama is a radical leftist and socialist.

Like Bill Maher said: "Socialist?...He's not even a liberal!"

The debate needs a serious reframing. The current paradigm of what it means to be liberal needs to be blown up and explained all over again. Even most self described "moderates" seem to think being liberal means you're pro-choice and think the government should have *some* role in things like the environment and health care.

Finally as we've said before, we need to continually remind everyone that there is a world of difference between 'moderate' Democrats and corporate Democrats. Even in conversation we need to avoid using the word moderate in reference to lobbyist driven chumps like Ben Nelson and Kent Conrad.

by Tom Hanc on 07/02/2009 01:52:27 PM EST

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I don't understand why they aren't in prison.

by EveningStarNM on 07/02/2009 02:00:08 PM EST

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How exactly would you define President Obama on the political spectrum? I'm just curious to hear your observations... :)

by bobo1 on 07/02/2009 03:10:36 PM EST

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But so far I'd say he reminds me of Bill Clinton, except he has more appeal for many right leaning moderates and indes (and the right wing base HATES him, like Clinton but worse because of the racial element).

Relatively/Casually (un)informed moderates love him while many informed progressives become increasingly disenchanted with his (seemingly) DLC ways. The fact that his plans don't seem to be even close to fundamentally reforming the economy in a meaningful way as opposed to just reinflating the bubble doesn't help.

But his rhetoric is much better, particularly on foreign policy.

by Tom Hanc on 07/02/2009 09:50:04 PM EST

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Are becoming uneasy with Obama's lack of direction and his severe control of the press - Lefties hate it because he lied about being progressive, Righties hate him because he's a closet communist - and Moderates are stuck with him until he falls.... Bad situation all the way around, and certainly no "Change we can believe in" :)

by bobo1 on 07/03/2009 11:50:30 AM EST

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How many chances do you want, bobo?  How much ridiculous bullshit must we tolerate?

You say that you're a history teacher.  How many of your peers would think that saying Obama is a "closet communist" automatically disqualifies you from membership in that profession?

All of them?

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 12:36:41 PM EST

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Most teachers, especially history teachers, saw Obama coming from a mile away and know what he is - whether they agree or disagree with his politics is another matter entirely. As teachers, we must provide objective information to our students and that's what I do, quite effectively I might add... :)

by bobo1 on 07/03/2009 01:04:37 PM EST

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"Most teachers, especially history teachers, saw Obama coming from a mile away and know what he is..."

A "closet communist", presumably?

Now you're insulting history teachers everywhere.  You've convinced me that you have no idea what communism was and that you are not a rational person.

I keep hoping that somewhere inside you there's a reasonable person trying to claw his way out.  It's been a fruitless hope, because you have no idea how far from reality your perspective has strayed.  But the good news is that I can no longer hold you responsible for your behavior.

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 01:21:42 PM EST

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"Maybe if we kick his ass a little bit and his poll ratings go down enough, he'll start thinking that in order to keep his Favored Celebrity status he might want to satisfy the people who put him into office." Or maybe we get Republican progress in both chambers in 2010 and Mitt Romney as the president in 2013.  Part of the reason that solidly-purple districts have all been trending D is that Republicans throw out anyone open to the slightest bit of moderation or compromise.  The Club for Growth would clearly rather lose elections than elect "RINO's" (anyone to the left of Fred Thompson).  Would we rather lose and put the Right back into power?  (It's inconceivable, but we all agree it will happen _someday_.)



I am not happy with Obama's performance and even less happy with the performance of the D's in Congress.  But that doesn't mean I encourage forcing down their numbers so low that we get R's just so in theory the true American Left might mobilize.  The Left DID mobilize in 2006 and 2008 under utterly hideous circumstances (Bush in office, Lott/DeLay/Frist/Hastert, etc., as Republican leaders in Congress).  If ever Liberals were motivated to clean house, it was over the last few years.  And it got us this set of weak, compromising, terrified D's.  I hate to say that the "perfect should not be the enemy of the good", since this has been far from a "good" 6 months for Progressivism.  But aren't the stakes too high to gamble on the prospect that Boehner/McConnell/Bachmann/ King/Imhoff et al are suddenly back in charge? 

by Milltycoon on 07/02/2009 03:12:00 PM EST

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Exactly how would we accomplish that if we wanted to do it?  As far as I know, there's only one way to do that:

Have Obama not do what the people want.

I think you're putting the responsibility for Obama's poll numbers on the wrong people.  It's his fault if they go down.

by EveningStarNM on 07/02/2009 05:28:57 PM EST

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"This set of weak, compromising, terrified D's", as you put it, is mostly the same set of weak, compromising, terrified D's that have been in office this entire decade.  What have we got, 35 or so new Democratic seats in the House and 12 new ones in the Senate?

Most of the faces are the same old crowd that's always been there.

That is the problem.

Campaign finance reform.  That's how we can really begin to solve our problems.

by EveningStarNM on 07/02/2009 06:13:43 PM EST

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