There were ostensibly throngs of people who were in love with Obama because they did think he would cure every one of their problems.  The vast majority of those people are politically novice or ignorant--they don't know that the Congress passes laws, they don't know about the history of Wall Street regulations or the CIA or medicare, they don't follow politics any more than watching the occasional ad during election season, the first presidential debate, and/or gossipy issues (people know that Palin's team overspent on clothes, they know that Obama bowls poorly, they know that "that gay guy from, like, Iowa or wherever, had a wide stance in the bathroom," and they have never heard of Mitch McConnell or Kathleen Sebelius.)  Those people may have lost the feeling of newness that Obama brought a year ago, but they largely are still not paying attention, so either they still love him or they don't, but it is largely irrelevant.  These people are not about to start voting for Club for Growth Conservatives in 2010 or for the freak parade of GOP hopefuls in 2012.

The people who are paying attention largely did not have a "Messiah" complex as regards Obama.  They figured he would be a great president who would be on the side of the people and usher in a new age of productive, re-juvenating policies.  But in theory, people should think that of anyone they elect.  You don't have to be thought of as "Messianic" just because you project a better country under your leadership than under the previous leadership.  If you remember, Bush promised to restore "honor" to the White House, promised to carry forth the strong and humble ideals of America, promised not to engage in expensive programs we couldn't pay for, promised not to nation-build.  People just reasonably expected that Obama might keep a few of _his_ promises.  Not much to ask of a person, let alone a deity.

But people are at best quite nervous about Obama's presidency thus far.  No one (who is paying attention) believed that he would solve all eight major crises facing the US simultaneously (energy, health care, the economy, the nuclear terrorism threat, illegal immigration, education, manufacturing competitiveness, and the environment/climate) and also solve all social ills and restore the Constitution within 6 months.  But a) he is going in the wrong direction on a lot of these issues (handling the banks terribly, inexplicable decisions about the 4th amendment, gay rights, transparency, etc.), b) he seems very reluctant to push hard for almost any Progressive policies (EFCA, single payer health care, drug legalization, cutting the defense budget), c) he has once-in-a-political-lifetim e grass-roots and (mostly) media support AND a friendly Congress AND a decrepit opposition party, and so the clock is ticking very loudly, and d) most presidents get most of their big legislation done in the first year.  It is too distracting (usually) to try for something big during the run-up midterms and re-election season and then permanent lame-duck status.  So these weeks right now matter a ton more than the prospect of him finally getting to something big in March of 2012 or August of 2014 (assuming he is re-elected, which is likely).  6 months is an 8th of his entire first term, and he should be zipping along, giving us some inkling that he will be a good president, that he will do the right thing a year from now when he really _has_ had plenty of time to affect some change if he wants to.

  In addition, Washington is a slow-moving place--yes.  But Obama has the ability to executive-order many things he has not yet.  He could INSTANTLY affect some of the social issues.  He could INSTANTLY change military policy (he is the Commander in Chief).  He could instantly usher in greater transparency, or lean on the DOJ to prosecute torture, etc.  Do I wish Obama would "be more like Bush" when it came to unilaterally pushing through an agenda specifically designed to negate and remedy Bush's mistakes?  Absolutely!  The alternative is that those remedies die a slow, compromised, grandstanded, cowardly death on Harry Reid's desk every single time.  If you believe that Obama's judgment is generally good, why NOT want for him to occasionally use a stroke of the pen to improve the country immediately?

Star Trek the Next Generation was a pretty lousy show in the first season, as were Cheers and the Simpsons.  (Please, no complaints--I have a right to my opinion.)  A few shows take a while to hit their stride, and almost no show is "great" after 13 episodes.  But if you watch the first five episodes of a show and it just isn't compelling in any way, the odds that it will grow into genius are 1 in 1000.  You don't often say "well, let's watch for 4 years and then judge."--you have a pretty good idea from what you have seen thus far.  The seeds have to be of good quality to grow a good tree even if it takes a few years for us to see the tree.

by Milltycoon on 07/02/2009 04:43:35 PM EST

I think that most people voted for Obama we're under the very well crafted but thinly supported ideal that he was somehow different than anyone else who wanted to be president - I don't think he was expected to cure the worlds ills in 6 months, but he could be doing a lot more than he has been - The main reasons that the majority of people voted Obama was 1) He wasn't named Bush and 2) He wasn't a creepy old pedophile type who reminded everyone that he served in Vietnam... Obama better do some thing pretty spectacular while he can in the next 6-8 months, or he's gonna be in a lot of trouble come the midterms in 2010... :)

by bobo1 on 07/02/2009 04:56:49 PM EST

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Maybe your "colon parenthesis smile" is just habit, although sometimes you make a frown.  But what you seem to be saying is "Unless Obama does something really good, i.e. really helping the country, we will get to your smiling result = the public voting out the failed Democratic agenda."  Would you rather have another year of misery and failed policies than see Obama succeed in doing some helpful to the country?  Would you rather see 3 and a half more years of terrible governance and the country continuing to destruct just so you can be "really :)" and possibly get a Conservative into the White House?

Part of the reason this country fails to get better leadership is that no one adheres to the results of elections.  Campaign season starts the day after the election ends.  Republicans did not for one second get behind this president on any issue, even to try to compromise to bills that you are happier with.  You just want to criticize EVERYTHING, vote against everything, urge boycotts, and then ":)" if/when he fails.  I wasn't aware, Bobo, that the new Conservative "patriotism" means hoping for chaos and ruin for America (and actively trying to effect it) in order to try to get back into power and govern as well as Bush and DeLay and Lott did in systematically decaying the government, the environment, the economy, the military, the Constitution, the DOJ, and our international reputation.

You are very happy to agree with a Liberal point of view that also happens to be disappointed with Obama, but you know that is disingenuous.  You know that we think Obama should be a Progressive, not just an object of scorn like you consider him, and that we are not looking for the same kind of goals from him as you are.  So spare me the "I only agree with Liberals when they challenge their own party" BS.  You only like how it looks politically to see conflict among your adversaries.

I wrote in a blog post a couple of months ago how Conservatives can get back into power.  1.  Be more honest, 2.  Be more competent, 3. Be nicer.  Seems like a simple recipe.  More gloating and ":)"'s salivating about Obama failures does none of those things, and there is no WAY mainstream America will look to a bunch of bitter lunatics who do nothing but hope for us all to fail for the next 3 years.
 

by Milltycoon on 07/02/2009 06:37:01 PM EST

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Just to irritate Spencer and Tom - but seriously, I hope Obama fails in his attempt to take over the private sector in lieu of some Soviet style control machine - its bad enough that the corporations have all this control now, just wait and see what happens when we put idiots like John Conyers, Nancy Pelosi, Rahm Emmanuel and Charlie Wrangel in charge of businesses!!! I don't like where we are headed, Millty... I don't like seeing my country weak and exposed and getting worse. As of yet, Obama isn't making it better. He was supposed to make things better - he lied to all of us, even to the "Obamabots"... :)

by bobo1 on 07/02/2009 08:31:54 PM EST

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now I try to be as calm as possible but I don't have patience for people who are fucking stupid.  You my friend, are a dumbass...

let me break it down for you, since that's what you need...

Percentage of American corporate and business assets not held by the United States government is about $39.2 trillion... that estimates at 99.79% of the private sector.  The percentage of American corporate businesses and assets recently nationalized by the United States government estimates at $82.3 billion which is 0.21%

Again, you're a fucking dumbass...  I suggest reading a book... maybe start with "the little engine that could" and then work your way up to adult level.  I'm guessing you didn't vote for him did you? STFU!  

by Erauprcwa on 07/02/2009 11:37:23 PM EST

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I guess you did vote for him - thats why you are so pissed.... 

 :)

by bobo1 on 07/03/2009 10:26:53 AM EST

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You wonder why people treat you like you're full of baloney when even your emoticons are disingenuous?

by bfaul on 07/03/2009 11:23:19 AM EST

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My job here is to make people think and feel uncomfortable in their faulty beliefs, especially fence sitting Liberals - I'm only sorry there's only 2-3 of us who stir any real discussion/emotion here that doesn't end in "All Hail Obama Caesar"... :)

by bobo1 on 07/03/2009 11:42:00 AM EST

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Link one thread here that ends remotely like that!

As long as you don't even watch the show and/or know what real progressives think and say, please: fuck off!

by eborujion on 07/03/2009 11:57:30 AM EST

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It sounds like you are having a real case of "buyers remorse" when it comes to Obama, and you are just looking for someone to lash out at... I'm sorry he's not the Messiah you were hoping for - I would say I told you so, but that would just be pouring salt in your tender wounds... I will allow you to continue to lash out at me, the white man, if you wish, but please remember I am not the cause of your suffering... :)

by bobo1 on 07/03/2009 12:50:46 PM EST

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where is the link I asked for?

by eborujion on 07/03/2009 01:16:24 PM EST

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you only hear about the "messiah complex" from Republicans...  it's like they have to tell themselves to dislike another human being because they can't accept that maybe he's better than who they had running.

by Erauprcwa on 07/03/2009 01:37:34 PM EST

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