You know you have arrived when you get a blog all about YOU YOU YOU. Its all about you.

I am disappointed...it took two whole days after you got back for you to piss in someones Wheaties. Your slipping

I missed all the stuff Limelight was talking about. Geez you sound like a racist prick. I am not sure what getting all bothered about Black History Month, Latino History Month, or any of the hundreds of other 'days' that recognize one group or another accomplishes.

What will it take for you to be satisfied with who or what you are in order not to need to be recognized simply by your race/ethnicity

Our country recognizes people, either positively or negatively, for there race/ethnicity all the time. Italians are criminals, mafia, Irish...drunks,Latinos...il legals and gang bangers. Asians are sneaky and smart. Blacks are violent criminals, rappers or play sports. White folks live in the burbs have funny non threatening black and gay friends. Mean evil businessmen  industrialists and poluters are always old white men.

I know these things because I see them on the TV. So do the kids .

Our country is chock full of organizations, clubs, magazines, TV shows, cable channels churches , commercial products that are based on race/ethnicity. Why should blacks be any different?

Whites have there own identity holiday and organization...it happens every Sunday and is called NASCAR, or is that only for white rednecks?

 

by MRFred on 07/02/2009 11:18:24 PM EST

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"I am not sure what getting all bothered about Black History Month, Latino History Month, or any of the hundreds of other 'days' that recognize one group or another accomplishes."

Some of those "months" are racist, but some focus on culture.  Latino History Month, for instance, is an open invitation for several indian nations and people with several different skin colors to participate.

For Black History Month, you get honors only if you're black.  That would seem to justify the existence of a White History Month, and as a person with lily white skin, I can't think of a worse reason to celebrate.

The problem is that we pay attention to skin color.  Black History Month focuses that attention just as much as a White History Month or a Red History Month or a Yellow History Month.  They focus on race rather than culture.

We need to start ignoring race in all of our affairs, and that includes dumping Black History Month, which I understood but always thought was a bad idea.  If there's some way to celebrate the accomplishments of people whose ancestors lived in Africa and whose cultural heritage comes from Africa, then maybe we could do that.  In fact, I would be all for it because I enjoy most African music.  We could even call it African Heritage Month.

See?  That wasn't so difficult, was it?  It does the same thing but ignores race, and that's how we start becoming color blind.

by EveningStarNM on 07/02/2009 11:43:04 PM EST

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Black History Month, Latino History month...draw opposition from conservatives because they represent political empowerment. When these groups are empowered and active conservatives loose power, pure and simple. When you buy in to the myth of "we are all Americans" what you are in effect saying is the only way to be American is to emulate the white culture..that's the 'code" pushed by conservatives. I'm surprised you buy into that crap.

Race is culture, it is an integral part of a cultural identity, inseparable. They go hand in hand so you cant force a color blind society...it will take years and is happening as we speak.. Discrimination laws only get the ball rolling..it forces the groups to work together. 

A color blind society will happen primarily in the bedroom.  Latinos and Blacks Asians integrating with the White culture by marriage or vice versa..children and most of all....language and education. We will have a bilingual society by default no matter how people try an fight it.

It will happen in the culture...restaurants, television. I suspect that in 50 years or so..assuming the earth isn't destroyed by the global warming "myth" it will be very difficult to tell who is who except for the hard core Republicans white bread motherfuckers..:)


 

by MRFred on 07/03/2009 11:05:28 AM EST

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will be holed up in caves in Idaho talking about a comeback.

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 07/03/2009 11:14:51 AM EST

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..., is "buying into" the idea that the only way to be American is to emulate "white culture"?

First of all, I'm not talking about "being American".  America is composed of many cultures, and it doesn't matter if the right wing doesn't want to acknowledge that.

Midwestern American culture*, which is the culture in which I was raised, is unique in the world, although it may dominate our country for now.  Yes, it's predominantly white because mostly whites live there, but there are a lot of blacks and even hispanics who identify themselves as members of that culture.  To not consider them as being members of that culture or to exclude them from membership in that culture because of their skin color, which is what you are doing, is racist.

When I go to LA, on the other hand, I sometimes feel like a fish out of water.  When I was younger I wondered why my cousins, who are third-generation residents of the area, were acting "black", until I learned that they weren't acting, and their skin color was irrelevant to what they thought was "normal" behavior.

Of course, my cousins who's families have lived in Alabama for seven generations are right-wing idiots lacking any ethics whatsoever, but that's a feature of that whites-only culture.  I despise their behavior as much as the behavior of people who seek to promote a blacks-only culture.

Equating culture with race is not only immoral, it's also a good way to get people killed.

I agree that there are many residents of this country who do not "feel like" Americans and that a universal feeling that "We are all Americans" might not be a realistic goal to strive for.  Hell, racial equality might not be a realistic goal.  But I'm not talking about being American.  I'm not talking about assimilating cultures, which happens no matter what we do -- I think that in a hundred years, my culture will be a minority culture on this continent.

I'm talking about reducing strife by ignoring skin color.

There are things that I don't like about some cultures.  Ludefisk, for instance, is an abomination unto God, and it's a wonder to me that more people don't get killed in crashes at polka dances.  But that has nothing to do with skin color.  Black polka dancers -- and I've seen them -- are just as dangerous as white polka dancers.

And I agree that Black History Month may have had an empowering effect for blacks, although I don't understand how people can think that power can be found in skin color when it is inherent, instead, in culture.

But just because the right wing, a predominantly but not exclusively white subculture, many of whose members are also members of other cultures, abuses a concept to create fear among its white members does not mean that the importance of culture over race should be ignored, or that race should not be ignored when identifying cultural membership.  A culture may be composed primarily of members of one race, but if you exclude considering others as members of that culture simply because of their race, you deprive them of their heritage, and of their choices about how and where they want to live.

That's racism.  I thought we'd generally agreed that racism is immoral.  If it is, then we need to stop focusing on skin color in all our affairs.

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* Not being a sociologist, I'm not sure that I've identified my culture correctly, but you get the idea.

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 12:23:09 PM EST

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When you buy in to the myth of "we are all Americans" what you are in effect saying is the only way to be American is to emulate the white culture..that's the 'code" pushed by conservatives. I'm surprised you buy into that crap.

Bobo's objection is because race threatens him. Conservative objection is because minorities tend to vote Democratic threatening them. Attacking the patriotism of racial identity is a method of demonizing minority culture and attempting to create a narrative that conservative values, ie white and christian and European based are inherently "American"

Equating culture with race is not only immoral, it's also a good way to get people killed.

That's kind of silly to be honest with you and a bit over dramatic. Your attempting to deny the obvious and assign a negative connotation that doesn't exist.

No matter I don't see any of the identity politics as a problem because in my travels and residing outside the US I have been the minority; white, Christian or both. You go with the flow.

by MRFred on 07/03/2009 01:46:59 PM EST

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You're a smart man.  I think that concept is going to simmer in your mind for a while.

Sometimes we don't see it right away, but the illogic of it and the consequences of doing it are inescapable.  While it's very easy to make that equation, all you have to do is look out the window to see that it doesn't make sense to do.

Rwanda, for instance, was such a case.  The reason that people of opposing sides, neighbors, were able to sleep in each others' homes to save their lives was because they were of the same culture, despite what the instigators of the genocide wanted others to believe -- and believed themselves.

A bit "over dramatic", you say?  How many people have to die from that error in thinking before we can finally abandon it?

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 02:51:00 PM EST

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Does "going with the flow" mean changing your skin color or changing your behavior to comport with the local culture?  Would you be accepted in a different culture if you were the same race as the majority population but you still acted like an arrogant American?

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 03:10:01 PM EST

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than a black man being the only one in the elevator when the door opens.

They operate on fear which progresses to paranoia

Limbaugh prays on that every day

If we dont do this this will happen

he never has an answer

he just pushes the fear button and holds it.

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 07/03/2009 03:31:46 PM EST

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