Reverse Racism | 75 comments (75 topical, 3 hidden)
in the future (none / 0)
they will be the antithesis of that, but not now.  I definitely see your guys' point, but I think it's leaving out some integral steps that we are currently going through.  The transition phase is NOW, so these types of shows WERE designed to empower blacks, and recognize them when white America tried to denigrate them...but now that the youth of white america are totally embracing black culture, it IS time to start phasing these things out...at the same time, the people who lived through jim crow are still alive on both sides, so racism is not just going to "disappear".

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 07/03/2009 11:39:59 AM EST

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agreed... (none / 0)
Maybe its because I work with middle schoolers all day, but it seems to me that we are just innundated with "Black Culture" and I just have to wonder when enough is too much - I mean, really, give up the ghosts of the distant past and move forward... :)

by bobo1 on 07/03/2009 11:46:12 AM EST

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what you don't get (none / 0)
is that it's "hip hop culture" not "black culture" that you're being inundated with.  You have to understand, the white youth like rap music the same as black youth, so THEY are assimilating to hip hop culture, not vice versa.  You keep saying "move forward", but when the blacks move forward by giving themselves awards when whites don't, you say they are "seperating themselves".  I don't think you really know what you want, except for young white kids to stop "acting black".  That's what it sounds like to me, correct me if I'm wrong as I'm not trying to be facetious.

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 07/03/2009 12:06:23 PM EST

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But Chris, (none / 0)
Why do blacks need to give each other awards? To recognize that they in fact are black? If white people did this, there would be riots and cries of racism. So why are blacks allowed to do it openly and on broadcast TV? - And "Hip Hop" IS black culture! Don't play semantic games, just like your whole Kenyan/African deal - They are one in the same... Maybe you don't want them to be the same, but sorry, they are... As to your point about the school age kids acting black, I don't personally care which path they choose to live their lives on - I just want blacks to stop seperating and segregating themselves from the rest of us whilst crying "racism" all the time - you cannot have your cake and eat it too... :)

by bobo1 on 07/03/2009 12:36:12 PM EST

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....uhoh (none / 0)
just like your whole Kenyan/African deal - They are one in the same.

You ignorant, racist POS! They are the same just like Africa is country with a homogenous culture, right?

There are different "black" ethnicities who are genetically further away from each other than from ALL white people! But I guess, in your opinion they are all the same because they are darker than you.

I can't believe how stupid you are and yet how self-righteous... Dangerous mixture. I can't believe you really manage to add more stupid to your resume every time you post here.

by eborujion on 07/03/2009 01:15:27 PM EST

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semantics = meaning (none / 0)
you can't say "it's semantics", and then say at the same time that they are the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik i/Semantics

You acknowledging itself that it's "semantics" means that they are in fact NOT the same.  

Here's a clip of "Gary Owen", a "white guy" who got his start on BET.

http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=Ev5YOqrjWEg

He'll explain his trailer park roots himself.  BET is not "exclusive", and plays white artists music, and comedy, as that is entertaing to black people as well, thus, it's on "Black Entertainment Television".  You're painting BET as "exclusive" against whites because it has "Black" in the title, when you're misrepresenting WHY "black" is in the title.

You tell me why I have red hair, and am the same as a person from Ghana with black hair.  I suppose this is the same reason the earth is 6,000 years old right?  If you want to go down the genetics road, you have to acknowledge that African genetics are the MOST varied on the planet from each other, not the same.  

BTW, it's not the "Black Guy Awards".  

And the award for "blackest guy" goes to-(fill in stereotype 'Dakwon', 'Lashawn','Kiki' name)

Nobody just hands out awards for being black.

This is a strawman argument, as BET is not exclusionary towards whites.  The "black awards" shows are REALLY meaningless, except for the black community to make sure that it's stars get recognized in SOME fashion, as they cannot rely on the MSM to do it for them.  To get all pissed about the awards shows, means that you're REALLY pissed about the black achievements, because the awards really are nothing but a piece of metal, and 30 seconds on tv.  You're REALLY mad about that, or is it that other thing where white kids are emulating "hip hop" icons like "Eminem", "El-P", "Sage Francis", "Eyedea", "Atmosphere", "Brother Ali"?  You can't really call Eminem a "Black Icon" can you?  Unless I am in a bizarro world where Eminem is black?

Chris

Chris

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 07/03/2009 04:23:29 PM EST

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Nice!!!!!! (none / 0)
Amen to your comment brotha.... You are 100% Dead on Correct here........Elove

by elove20202003 on 07/09/2009 12:41:16 PM EST

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Klan Brotha says what? (none / 0)
So what is your problem now? You accuse me of racism and then go on to agree with the only self-confessed and proud racist in this forum?

by eborujion on 07/09/2009 04:05:52 PM EST

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eborujion (none / 0)
eborujion if whites had a WET channel would you call it racist? I would bet yes. It whites had White awards show, and ACTUALLY called it a White Awards show would you call it racist? I again would bet yes. Same goes for White History Month, again by your own statements I know you would say that is racist......So what is the difference. Why the double standard. There should not even be an argument here.

by elove20202003 on 07/13/2009 12:52:28 PM EST

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No double standard! (none / 0)

Yeah, of course WET would be racist, as BET would be in another CONTEXT, that is, if African Americans dominated the culture and whites got discriminated against on a daily basis. Such events are a necessity as long as there is actual discrimination and factual segregation to raise awareness of the issue in the minds of the mainstream (=whites).

Many people here argue against BET and BHM and I believe them that they are not racist but I also that they do not fully grasp how it must be for an African American to be repeatedly confronted with underlying racism and rejection throughout their entire life! Not to mention the people who are STILL real racists, openly so or hidden.

So you ask: "Why the double standard?" The answer is a question: "Why still the double standard in the treatment of different races in society in general?"

by eborujion on 07/14/2009 08:29:05 AM EST

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If you where a racist would you call blacks racist (none / 0)

There is no need for  white  tele channel MOST channels where  already  whites only  for the most part for years.

The world is changing  I dont think you and pat buchanan get it

... Four states are majority-minority as of 2009: Hawaii (which is the only state that has never had a white majority), New Mexico, California, and Texas[1].
,,.The percentage of non-Hispanic white residents has fallen below 60 percent in Maryland, Georgia and Nevada, Arizona, New York, and Mississippi.[2].
...The District of Columbia reached a majority black status during the latter stages of the Great Migration.
..All major United States territories (Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, the Northern Mariana Islands, and American Samoa) are majority-minority areas.
... 7 of the 40 largest metropolitan areas in the U.S. are majority-nonwhite.

Guess what
There is a black president
and there is going to be a hispanic woman on the supreme court.

and you are worried about an  awards show?

if whites where in the same situation as blacks then a white awards show would make sense

Or if gays where in the same position then a gay awards show

Or if Hispanics where in the same position  then a latin awards show

getting the concept?

:)

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 08/02/2009 03:44:22 PM EST

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is elove an old member? (none / 0)

Just asking...cause 'elove' looks familiar to me...and I'm kinda new...not up with all the posters...

But I do YouTube...and 'elove' conjurs up memories of some republican-ish poster there...

Just curious...

by opiman000 on 07/13/2009 01:34:24 PM EST

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according (none / 0)
to UID he/she is very new. Don't let the paranoia regarding sock puppets get to you, opi ;). As far as I am concerned, if someone does not openly say he/she is also another account, I don't speculate (with the exception of Kentroll here in the TYT-Forum, he is painfully obvious). I guess that is the difference of real person and internet persona, you can have more than one of the latter (though I am not condoning it).

by eborujion on 07/14/2009 08:34:54 AM EST

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got it eborujion (none / 0)
i am replying to you rather late i see...i haven't figured out a system to make sure i check my replies...i guess my recognition of elove comes from youtube...and yah...i will take him at face value.

by opiman000 on 08/02/2009 01:17:57 PM EST

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Hmm... (none / 0)

The ellipsis, the random punctuation, the racism.

Could this be bobo's first attempt at a sock puppet?  Either that or it's Hulk Hogan.  Amen, brotha!

by Spencer on 07/09/2009 06:55:03 PM EST

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Uh, Bobo, you're an idiot (none / 0)

Blacks weren't even allowed to play Blacks in the movies. They were portrayed by white actors in "Blackface".

Even after they were allowed to act in movies in the 30's and 40's, there was a separate film industry for "race movies" made for black audiences because blacks still weren't allowed in the "white folks" theatre.  Hmmm, do you think Black folks were the perpetrators of segregation? No, they weren't.

It wasn't until the 50's that it was socially acceptable (by whites again) for whites and blacks to actually act in the same films together! Oh, the horror! Whites and Blacks actually acting alongside each other???

Based on all this history, is it a surprise that a Black Actor didn't win the Academy Award until 1963? So, essentially, the Academy Awards were basically white people giving white people awards for the first 36 years!

I am white and watch the BET awards and don't have a problem with it. Bobo, you have a big old chip on your shoulder. It's so easy for you to cry out at perceived injustice against the poor old white guy. Give me a break!

by ilovecenk99 on 08/02/2009 06:19:28 PM EST

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Do you really want... (none / 0)
...whites to give themselves awards for being white?

If not, then why is it okay for blacks to give themselves awards for being black?

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 12:45:28 PM EST

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Racial Reversism (none / 0)
Sorry, ES, I think, you are wrong here. They don't give themselves awards for being black, they award themselves because they feel neglected by the mainstream and or because they think the competition is tainted by racial considerations. If that feeling relates to real discrimination (in the Entertainment business that is) is another thing but I think as long as there is real tangible discrimination in general society there should be compensation of some kind to some extent.

I am not black, so I cannot speak for African Americans but that is my opinion.

by eborujion on 07/03/2009 01:29:23 PM EST

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empathy gets white people a long way (none / 0)
http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=usAlMqa-2ok&feature =related

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 07/03/2009 04:29:57 PM EST

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That is a valid argument. (none / 0)
Saying that people with black skin feel neglected by mainstream organizations and that their cause, therefore, demands special attention is a powerful and compelling argument because they have been neglected.

From there, we have two options: either we can fix the current system or set up a separate one for blacks.

What is at the logical end of that path?

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 04:58:39 PM EST

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that's the million dollar question (none / 0)
the logical end to me is a point at which the debate happens where someone asks BET executives if they really feel the "black entertainment awards" are necessary anymore.  If we have reached the positive "end", the executives will say,"you know what, maybe it is time we stopped calling the show the "black entertainment awards", and started calling it the "Artist recognition awards" and we'll recognize other artists as well, because other award shows have integrated minorities into their pools.  That could very well happen, especially if people like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson get on BET's case.  Remember, they tried VERY hard to get the young black community to stop using the word nigger(although they failed), so it's not like black leaders won't take the black community to task when they deserve it.  I don't see the path ever coming to an "end" however, so I think one day all of a sudden, race relations will be something of the past because our genetics will be too complex.  Not in our lifetime though.

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 07/03/2009 08:09:17 PM EST

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I could not have said it better. (none / 0)
Thanks.  And that's all I'm trying to do is to start the debate.  Believe me, I have no expectation that the changes that I've proposed will happen even in my lifetime -- and I am sad about that, because it means that racism will continue to plague us for a long, long time.

But as long as we're asking these kinds of questions and considering the possibilities even as unrealistic as they currently may be, then we're making progress.  I don't demand that we immediately stop Black History Month and anyone who disagrees with me is immoral.  I just want to stop considering skin color in all of our affairs.

Eventually.  (Oh, did I forget to use that word before?  My bad.)

That's all we can really hope or ask for: progress, not perfection.

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 08:38:05 PM EST

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Transitions (none / 0)
Absolutely.  And during this phase, we'll take a few steps this way and a few steps that way, doing a drunkard's walk until we finally-almost-accidentally reach our ultimate destination, wherever that may be.

I just want to push us in one direction as much as I can.

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 12:43:41 PM EST

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Reverse Racism | 75 comments (75 topical, 3 hidden)