Reverse Racism | 75 comments (75 topical, 3 hidden)
What???? (none / 0)
"such events are a necessity to raise an awareness of the issue to the (ignorant or oblivious or in parts racist) general public to try and change the disparity."


My god, man - WE HAVE A BLACK PRESIDENT!!!!!! How can you raise awareness of being black any higher than that?

Its pure racism itself that drives "Black History Month" and "Black" awards shows - the need for the African American to seperate themselves and attempt to feel more important than their surrounding culture is what creates and widens the divide between races...

Its amazing how well intentioned Liberals can look the other way when the obvious truth is staring and screaming at them right to their faces...

 :(

by bobo1 on 07/02/2009 12:17:10 PM EST

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are you serious? (none / 1)
"Its pure racism itself that drives "Black History Month" and "Black" awards shows - the need for the African American to seperate themselves and attempt to feel more important than their surrounding culture is what creates and widens the divide between races...

Its amazing how well intentioned Liberals can look the other way when the obvious truth is staring and screaming at them right to their faces..."

You realize that Blacks were basically shut out of the media, or forced into stereotyped roles up until the late 70's early 80's, not to mention EVERY month besides February is white history month?  Granted, we have come a long way since the 60's, but to say that BET is "racist" because it exists just completely ignores the past 40 years of this country's existence.  It's not a need to "seperate ourselves", it's a need to make ourselves aware.  You might not realize this, but many blacks don't get any black history because they go to schools that don't see black contributions to American history as being legitimate enough to put into the curriculum.  We have a MIXED RACE president, and this just shows that the 1/32 rule is still in people's minds.  I don't personally think that Black history month is even really observed except in elementary and middle schools, so what are you crying about?  As far as Jamie foxx's comment, people have been making black/white jokes about MJ for years, and NOW people want to say it's "reverse racist".  There's no such thing as "reverse racism", there's just racism.  Any race can be "racist".  

Why don't we need "WET": because almost every channel caters to the 18-24 white male demographic already.  Are you that unaware of the media?  I think it's funny how people want to claim that "electing a black man" has shown that we are over racism, when his election was used as an enrollment tool for the kkk, not to mention all the crazies that came out for McCain rallies talking about "kill him", and "he's a muzlin" and all that.  It's not that ALL America is racist, but to deny that America has a large racist demographic is just ignorant.  I am not saying they are all white either, as some of the most racist people in America are old black men who lived through the 60's.  They're not "reverse" racists, they're just plain racist.  Clearly "elove" has a more optomistic view of the state of America, but unfortunately that view is wrong.  Notice, I called NO ONE RACIST in this post.

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 07/02/2009 12:59:11 PM EST

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Now Chris... (none / 0)
We have had this discussion before, but I believe that we agree on the source and agree on the problem, its just a matter of perspective that divides us...

I see things like "Black History Month" and "Black" awards shows not as a source of empowerment and retribution for the years of oppression, rather I see them as a way that blacks keep themselves seperate from this overwhelming white culture you allude to... Its a way for them to have their cake and eat it to.

I want you to imagine what your feelings, as an African American, if the situation were reversed. I want you to imagine flipping the channels to find the "Ivory" awards that excluded other races from their ranks... I want you to imagine having a "White History Month" taught at your childrens schools, smattered all over the TV and Video stations and grilled down your throat everytime you turn on your computer... Of course, these things are absurd to imagine and non sensical to believe, but this is the reality right now when it comes to "Black" awards and Black history... Why is it any less absurd to think of the situation as it is now?

For example, CNN produced a show a while back called "Black in America". Now they are coming out with "Black in America 2" - Where's "White in America", Chris? Where's the equality? Why is it any less insensitive to people who look like me to always have this in the media?

I dont like this seperation any more than you do Chris - I am a firm believer in the ideals of Dr. King and "The Dream" that he had. Dr. king didd not want Black history Month. Dr. King did not want the Ebony or Essence or Jet awards. Dr. king wanted all of us to be UNITED under one banner, children playing together and being unified, not seperated and building hate by purposefully segregating their thoughts and beliefs...

How else can one make themselves aware of what they are, Chris? Michael Jackson said it best in "Man in the Mirror" - Just take a look at yourself and then make the change... You dont need BET to know who you are, just like I wouldnt need WET to know who I am...

Blacks who support this stuff need to get over themselves... We all need to get over this stuff, really...
this absurdity must end or it will consume us, Chris...

:)





by bobo1 on 07/02/2009 02:45:53 PM EST

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Stop struggling (3.00 / 1)
Where's "White in America", Chris? Where's the equality?

Really, Bobo?  REALLY? You can't be serious. Would you watch a show called "White in America?" I wouldn't. That sounds like the worst show ever. It sounds like a reality show starring a guy named Bobo who sits around the house in his whitey-tighties (oops, was that racist? Okay, his "honky-tighties"), blaming his alcohol addiction, his inability to find work and his marriage troubles all on some other ethnic group. It's unpleasant even to think about that show.

Cancelled.

by OneHitKill on 07/02/2009 10:53:26 PM EST

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Thats not the point, Jesse... (none / 0)
I can't believe I'm agreeing with Eveningstar here, but we should strive to be colorblind, and these types of shows are the antithesis of that... :)

by bobo1 on 07/03/2009 11:35:42 AM EST

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Nobody will ever be THAT colorblind (3.67 / 2)
I can't believe I'm agreeing with Eveningstar here, but we should strive to be colorblind

If that's what you both think, then you're both wrong. Colorblindness is not the opposite of racism, nor is it a realistic expectation. Anybody who claims not to perceive another's race when looking at them is lying. But you can acknowledge race without using that perception alone to formulate opinions about others, and THAT is what we should be striving for.

So pardon me for pointing out that your own arguments cancel each other out. Saying "We should be colorblind" in the same breath as saying "The BET awards are racist, I want my WET Awards, WHERE'S THE EQUALITY?" is, in total, just the same as staying mute.

by OneHitKill on 07/03/2009 07:11:55 PM EST

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I'm just talking about colorblindness in the law (none / 0)
We can achieve that.  But I enjoy looking at a crowd of people of many races -- I like the variety of colors we come in.

by EveningStarNM on 07/06/2009 04:13:07 AM EST

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Thank you for clarifying (3.67 / 2)
I'm just talking about colorblindness in the law

Then you are correct. I feel like some others' idea of "equality" is pretending that all races are identical; that's nothing but a recipe for misunderstanding and further hardship.

by OneHitKill on 07/06/2009 10:24:45 AM EST

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love this (none / 0)
comment, eveningstar...it's perfect...

by opiman000 on 07/13/2009 01:55:16 PM EST

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?? Nonsense (none / 0)
One hit you just dont get it! No one here wants WET awards..We just don't want the BET awards either. You have no argument. Its redundant, pointless, you are talking just to talk. Find another blog where your points will make sense........

by elove20202003 on 10/17/2009 07:24:36 PM EST

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you are talking just to talk? (none / 0)
Uh, dude, that post you are debating is like 3 1/2 months old.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 10/17/2009 09:41:58 PM EST

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in the future (none / 0)
they will be the antithesis of that, but not now.  I definitely see your guys' point, but I think it's leaving out some integral steps that we are currently going through.  The transition phase is NOW, so these types of shows WERE designed to empower blacks, and recognize them when white America tried to denigrate them...but now that the youth of white america are totally embracing black culture, it IS time to start phasing these things out...at the same time, the people who lived through jim crow are still alive on both sides, so racism is not just going to "disappear".

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 07/03/2009 11:39:59 AM EST

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agreed... (none / 0)
Maybe its because I work with middle schoolers all day, but it seems to me that we are just innundated with "Black Culture" and I just have to wonder when enough is too much - I mean, really, give up the ghosts of the distant past and move forward... :)

by bobo1 on 07/03/2009 11:46:12 AM EST

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what you don't get (none / 0)
is that it's "hip hop culture" not "black culture" that you're being inundated with.  You have to understand, the white youth like rap music the same as black youth, so THEY are assimilating to hip hop culture, not vice versa.  You keep saying "move forward", but when the blacks move forward by giving themselves awards when whites don't, you say they are "seperating themselves".  I don't think you really know what you want, except for young white kids to stop "acting black".  That's what it sounds like to me, correct me if I'm wrong as I'm not trying to be facetious.

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 07/03/2009 12:06:23 PM EST

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But Chris, (none / 0)
Why do blacks need to give each other awards? To recognize that they in fact are black? If white people did this, there would be riots and cries of racism. So why are blacks allowed to do it openly and on broadcast TV? - And "Hip Hop" IS black culture! Don't play semantic games, just like your whole Kenyan/African deal - They are one in the same... Maybe you don't want them to be the same, but sorry, they are... As to your point about the school age kids acting black, I don't personally care which path they choose to live their lives on - I just want blacks to stop seperating and segregating themselves from the rest of us whilst crying "racism" all the time - you cannot have your cake and eat it too... :)

by bobo1 on 07/03/2009 12:36:12 PM EST

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....uhoh (none / 0)
just like your whole Kenyan/African deal - They are one in the same.

You ignorant, racist POS! They are the same just like Africa is country with a homogenous culture, right?

There are different "black" ethnicities who are genetically further away from each other than from ALL white people! But I guess, in your opinion they are all the same because they are darker than you.

I can't believe how stupid you are and yet how self-righteous... Dangerous mixture. I can't believe you really manage to add more stupid to your resume every time you post here.

by eborujion on 07/03/2009 01:15:27 PM EST

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semantics = meaning (none / 0)
you can't say "it's semantics", and then say at the same time that they are the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik i/Semantics

You acknowledging itself that it's "semantics" means that they are in fact NOT the same.  

Here's a clip of "Gary Owen", a "white guy" who got his start on BET.

http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=Ev5YOqrjWEg

He'll explain his trailer park roots himself.  BET is not "exclusive", and plays white artists music, and comedy, as that is entertaing to black people as well, thus, it's on "Black Entertainment Television".  You're painting BET as "exclusive" against whites because it has "Black" in the title, when you're misrepresenting WHY "black" is in the title.

You tell me why I have red hair, and am the same as a person from Ghana with black hair.  I suppose this is the same reason the earth is 6,000 years old right?  If you want to go down the genetics road, you have to acknowledge that African genetics are the MOST varied on the planet from each other, not the same.  

BTW, it's not the "Black Guy Awards".  

And the award for "blackest guy" goes to-(fill in stereotype 'Dakwon', 'Lashawn','Kiki' name)

Nobody just hands out awards for being black.

This is a strawman argument, as BET is not exclusionary towards whites.  The "black awards" shows are REALLY meaningless, except for the black community to make sure that it's stars get recognized in SOME fashion, as they cannot rely on the MSM to do it for them.  To get all pissed about the awards shows, means that you're REALLY pissed about the black achievements, because the awards really are nothing but a piece of metal, and 30 seconds on tv.  You're REALLY mad about that, or is it that other thing where white kids are emulating "hip hop" icons like "Eminem", "El-P", "Sage Francis", "Eyedea", "Atmosphere", "Brother Ali"?  You can't really call Eminem a "Black Icon" can you?  Unless I am in a bizarro world where Eminem is black?

Chris

Chris

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 07/03/2009 04:23:29 PM EST

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Nice!!!!!! (none / 0)
Amen to your comment brotha.... You are 100% Dead on Correct here........Elove

by elove20202003 on 07/09/2009 12:41:16 PM EST

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Klan Brotha says what? (none / 0)
So what is your problem now? You accuse me of racism and then go on to agree with the only self-confessed and proud racist in this forum?

by eborujion on 07/09/2009 04:05:52 PM EST

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eborujion (none / 0)
eborujion if whites had a WET channel would you call it racist? I would bet yes. It whites had White awards show, and ACTUALLY called it a White Awards show would you call it racist? I again would bet yes. Same goes for White History Month, again by your own statements I know you would say that is racist......So what is the difference. Why the double standard. There should not even be an argument here.

by elove20202003 on 07/13/2009 12:52:28 PM EST

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No double standard! (none / 0)

Yeah, of course WET would be racist, as BET would be in another CONTEXT, that is, if African Americans dominated the culture and whites got discriminated against on a daily basis. Such events are a necessity as long as there is actual discrimination and factual segregation to raise awareness of the issue in the minds of the mainstream (=whites).

Many people here argue against BET and BHM and I believe them that they are not racist but I also that they do not fully grasp how it must be for an African American to be repeatedly confronted with underlying racism and rejection throughout their entire life! Not to mention the people who are STILL real racists, openly so or hidden.

So you ask: "Why the double standard?" The answer is a question: "Why still the double standard in the treatment of different races in society in general?"

by eborujion on 07/14/2009 08:29:05 AM EST

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If you where a racist would you call blacks racist (none / 0)

There is no need for  white  tele channel MOST channels where  already  whites only  for the most part for years.

The world is changing  I dont think you and pat buchanan get it

... Four states are majority-minority as of 2009: Hawaii (which is the only state that has never had a white majority), New Mexico, California, and Texas[1].
,,.The percentage of non-Hispanic white residents has fallen below 60 percent in Maryland, Georgia and Nevada, Arizona, New York, and Mississippi.[2].
...The District of Columbia reached a majority black status during the latter stages of the Great Migration.
..All major United States territories (Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, the Northern Mariana Islands, and American Samoa) are majority-minority areas.
... 7 of the 40 largest metropolitan areas in the U.S. are majority-nonwhite.

Guess what
There is a black president
and there is going to be a hispanic woman on the supreme court.

and you are worried about an  awards show?

if whites where in the same situation as blacks then a white awards show would make sense

Or if gays where in the same position then a gay awards show

Or if Hispanics where in the same position  then a latin awards show

getting the concept?

:)

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 08/02/2009 03:44:22 PM EST

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is elove an old member? (none / 0)

Just asking...cause 'elove' looks familiar to me...and I'm kinda new...not up with all the posters...

But I do YouTube...and 'elove' conjurs up memories of some republican-ish poster there...

Just curious...

by opiman000 on 07/13/2009 01:34:24 PM EST

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according (none / 0)
to UID he/she is very new. Don't let the paranoia regarding sock puppets get to you, opi ;). As far as I am concerned, if someone does not openly say he/she is also another account, I don't speculate (with the exception of Kentroll here in the TYT-Forum, he is painfully obvious). I guess that is the difference of real person and internet persona, you can have more than one of the latter (though I am not condoning it).

by eborujion on 07/14/2009 08:34:54 AM EST

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got it eborujion (none / 0)
i am replying to you rather late i see...i haven't figured out a system to make sure i check my replies...i guess my recognition of elove comes from youtube...and yah...i will take him at face value.

by opiman000 on 08/02/2009 01:17:57 PM EST

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Hmm... (none / 0)

The ellipsis, the random punctuation, the racism.

Could this be bobo's first attempt at a sock puppet?  Either that or it's Hulk Hogan.  Amen, brotha!

by Spencer on 07/09/2009 06:55:03 PM EST

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Uh, Bobo, you're an idiot (none / 0)

Blacks weren't even allowed to play Blacks in the movies. They were portrayed by white actors in "Blackface".

Even after they were allowed to act in movies in the 30's and 40's, there was a separate film industry for "race movies" made for black audiences because blacks still weren't allowed in the "white folks" theatre.  Hmmm, do you think Black folks were the perpetrators of segregation? No, they weren't.

It wasn't until the 50's that it was socially acceptable (by whites again) for whites and blacks to actually act in the same films together! Oh, the horror! Whites and Blacks actually acting alongside each other???

Based on all this history, is it a surprise that a Black Actor didn't win the Academy Award until 1963? So, essentially, the Academy Awards were basically white people giving white people awards for the first 36 years!

I am white and watch the BET awards and don't have a problem with it. Bobo, you have a big old chip on your shoulder. It's so easy for you to cry out at perceived injustice against the poor old white guy. Give me a break!

by ilovecenk99 on 08/02/2009 06:19:28 PM EST

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Do you really want... (none / 0)
...whites to give themselves awards for being white?

If not, then why is it okay for blacks to give themselves awards for being black?

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 12:45:28 PM EST

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Racial Reversism (none / 0)
Sorry, ES, I think, you are wrong here. They don't give themselves awards for being black, they award themselves because they feel neglected by the mainstream and or because they think the competition is tainted by racial considerations. If that feeling relates to real discrimination (in the Entertainment business that is) is another thing but I think as long as there is real tangible discrimination in general society there should be compensation of some kind to some extent.

I am not black, so I cannot speak for African Americans but that is my opinion.

by eborujion on 07/03/2009 01:29:23 PM EST

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empathy gets white people a long way (none / 0)
http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=usAlMqa-2ok&feature =related

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 07/03/2009 04:29:57 PM EST

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That is a valid argument. (none / 0)
Saying that people with black skin feel neglected by mainstream organizations and that their cause, therefore, demands special attention is a powerful and compelling argument because they have been neglected.

From there, we have two options: either we can fix the current system or set up a separate one for blacks.

What is at the logical end of that path?

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 04:58:39 PM EST

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that's the million dollar question (none / 0)
the logical end to me is a point at which the debate happens where someone asks BET executives if they really feel the "black entertainment awards" are necessary anymore.  If we have reached the positive "end", the executives will say,"you know what, maybe it is time we stopped calling the show the "black entertainment awards", and started calling it the "Artist recognition awards" and we'll recognize other artists as well, because other award shows have integrated minorities into their pools.  That could very well happen, especially if people like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson get on BET's case.  Remember, they tried VERY hard to get the young black community to stop using the word nigger(although they failed), so it's not like black leaders won't take the black community to task when they deserve it.  I don't see the path ever coming to an "end" however, so I think one day all of a sudden, race relations will be something of the past because our genetics will be too complex.  Not in our lifetime though.

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 07/03/2009 08:09:17 PM EST

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I could not have said it better. (none / 0)
Thanks.  And that's all I'm trying to do is to start the debate.  Believe me, I have no expectation that the changes that I've proposed will happen even in my lifetime -- and I am sad about that, because it means that racism will continue to plague us for a long, long time.

But as long as we're asking these kinds of questions and considering the possibilities even as unrealistic as they currently may be, then we're making progress.  I don't demand that we immediately stop Black History Month and anyone who disagrees with me is immoral.  I just want to stop considering skin color in all of our affairs.

Eventually.  (Oh, did I forget to use that word before?  My bad.)

That's all we can really hope or ask for: progress, not perfection.

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 08:38:05 PM EST

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Transitions (none / 0)
Absolutely.  And during this phase, we'll take a few steps this way and a few steps that way, doing a drunkard's walk until we finally-almost-accidentally reach our ultimate destination, wherever that may be.

I just want to push us in one direction as much as I can.

by EveningStarNM on 07/03/2009 12:43:41 PM EST

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WET = FOXNEWS (none / 0)
"I want you to imagine flipping the channels to find the "Ivory" awards"

You mean the oscars?

http://findarticles.com/p/a rticles/mi_m1077/is_6_55/ai _61619022/

"I want you to imagine having a "White History Month" taught at your childrens schools,"

you mean every month?

I found "white in america", but it wasn't produced by cnn.

http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=ReShmRYggIY

Dr. King did not want black history month, i will concede that, but Dr. King did not want to have to sit at the back of the bus either.  It's one thing to say that we will "achieve the dream", but unfortunately things like BET, and affirmative action were the necessary steps to get to a more integrated society.  You think white kids don't watch BET?  My white friends watch BET more than I do.  You think BET means that white people can't watch it?  You're misunderstanding the point of the channel.  BET often features white comedians, and latinos.  George lopez got his career started on BET.  BET is about promoting black culture (albeit negatively most of the time), because many other networks and stations don't.  The only reason blacks are big on MTV is because black music has been a huge part of American culture.  Hell, even MSNBC only has blacks as "support crew".  I'm not complaining about blacks' situation, rather I'm trying to get across to you that black culture isn't something that we can "absolve ourselves of" to become more American.  Black culture IS american, and it's something that doesn't HAVE to seperate us, but the miscommunication and misperceptions cause bitterness and resentment on both sides.  What you don't get is that many black people like things that you can't find on Fox, Disney channel, or Mtv for that matter.  BET fills this demographic's need.  Honestly, you think if you started "WET", you wouldn't be able to sell it?  I think people are just afraid to do WET, because it would inherently look racist.  You think BET didn't have the same fear?  They just got over it, and Robert Johnson proceeded to exploit black America like disney exploits white children.  In all honesty, I hate BET, but it's for glorifying the gangsta rap image, NOT for being BET.  

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 07/02/2009 03:54:53 PM EST

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i agree with you chris (none / 0)
but i have to say that to get to the vision of MLK, we arent gonna get there by seperation by segregating award shows and channels, months and etc, we will get there by bieng inclusive.  Adding more black history into the yearly education curriculum, not relogating it to one moth of the year... honoroing americans year round, reguardless of their color, not seperating them to one month.

The lack of it does not advocate the need for it, black history month should be abolished, otherwise wed need a white history month a asian history month a native american, ethiopian, pakistani ... etc ...etc..

While i read what your saying and agree that there needs change.   But what the black culture is doing, IS seperating itself... instead of bieng inclusive.  

THere are tv stations that cater to black people more but dont have a "black entertainment telivision" name... warnerbrothers network has been running a HUGE line of black themed shows

there are ways to bring these issues to the forefront, but seperating yourselves by color = your segregating yourselves.

My views on it.... at least.

by Ectheleon on 07/02/2009 04:25:39 PM EST

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an inconvenient truth.... (none / 0)

Etchelon: "black history month should be abolished, otherwise wed need a white history month a asian history month a native american, ethiopian, pakistani ... etc ...etc.."

Correction Time:

March - National Women's History Month

May - Asian Pacific American Heritage Month

May - Older Americans Month

June - Gay Lesbian Pride Month

September - National Hispanic-Latino Heritage Month

October - National Disability Employment Awareness Month

November - National Native American Indian Heritage Month

and in 2008, after House Approval, Pres George Bush proclaimed that May is also National Jewish Heritage Month..

Based on these inconvenient FACTS, do you still want to abolish Black History Month, Etchy??

by ilovecenk99 on 08/02/2009 07:21:45 PM EST

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Be honest, Chris... (none / 0)
Fox news doesn't exclude blacks - Juan Williams is black, Thomas Sowell is black... The Oscars don't exclude blacks - Denzel Washington, Forrest Whitaker, Halle Berry are all black... TV DEFINITELY doesn't exclude blacks - Cosby, Fresh Prince, Bernie Mac, All the anchors on CNN except AC and Cafferty, UPN, WB, BET, MTV, CW - lots of blacks on TV. In fact for only being 12% of the total US population, I think there is an overrepresentation of blacks on TV... Music - most of the best performers are black or co-opted black style music...Hip Hop, Rap, R&B are some of the largest revenue generators for the music industry... Politics? Black President - and BTW Chris, Mixed/Multi racial or not, he's black... We agree with each other on a lot of things, Chris - and we disagree on a lot of things, and I hope you understand that I'm not trying to be testy with you, but seriously - YOU NEED TO GET THE CHIP OFF OF YOUR SHOULDER!!!! You have not been oppressed. You have not been burned out of your house. You have not wore the chains as your ancestors have coming across the great ocean - Get over yourself... :)

by bobo1 on 07/02/2009 04:38:24 PM EST

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chip on my shoulder? (none / 0)
I'm not the one who made the post in the first place.  Personally, I think black history month SHOULD be abolished, but not because whites aren't being represented.  You're playing the "opressed white" card as if whites have REALLY been oppressed by blacks somehow creating BET.  I didn't say fox "EXCLUDED BLACKS", i said it was WHITE ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION.  Look at the demographics of fox news and call me a liar.  BTW, there is a HUGE difference between "Kenyan", and Black-American.  Don't conflate "black" with "kenyan American", because those are two completely different ethnicities, and to conflate them shows your desire for ignorance of these things.  I never claimed to be "oppressed", and if anything I was talking about how blacks have overcome the trials of a racist america to try and INTEGRATE ourselves with the others, but you chose to see it as "a chip on my shoulder".  You can't use belief to change my argument.  I personally didn't have "slave" ancestors on my father's side, and don't have a clue on my mother's side.  You don't have a clue about my heritage, and assume a lot about my statements based on a preconcieved notion about "black anger".  I don't HAVE it, I understand it.  It's called EMPATHY Bobo, and Obama has it to.  You want to seperate whites and blacks, but don't see the difference between a Kenyan American, and an African American.  They are apparently both "black" to you.  You said it.  I am not an egotistical person, so I will take the "get over yourself" comment as a snide swipe at my defense of black culture.  But as I've said before, i don't really care what anyone thinks of me personally.  I respect people, and hopefully I get it back.  But do I really care...No.  I don't offend people for no reason.  Now bobo, be careful about who you say has a chip on their shoulder, because I was one of the first people to declare a war against the flagrant use of the term "racist" around here.  I don't like it anymore than you.  I'm choosing to ignore a lot of the things you said, as a gesture.

Chris  

by chrisandyasemin on 07/02/2009 05:49:01 PM EST

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Chris - you're right ignore Bobo (none / 0)
Ignore him for the most part anyway, except when you feel like making a point for the benefit of the rest of us to hear. Bobo is the biggest troll around here.

by ilovecenk99 on 08/02/2009 06:22:53 PM EST

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Sure! (none / 0)
So, one guy getting the opportunity to be President makes up for hundreds of years of oppression and discrimination. I would say that unless no one would notice (or comment on it) until after an election what "race" someone belongs to, then there is a reason for concern. But I will give you that. Maybe the election of the first black President amends all of America's racialist history. But how does that change today's racial discrimination and disparities for African Americans and other minorities? It was a fear of the cons that Obama would hand out packs of money in the hoods to his bruthas, was it? Well, he should have done it, but he didn't! Members of minorities in the U.S. on average are way worse off than white Americans.

But anyhow... One decisive point anuls your argument entirely. O'bama is not an African American black man! So how would he affect African Americans at all?

by eborujion on 07/02/2009 01:21:50 PM EST

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