The term "Know" can be used in a sexual sense, and is in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, but the sin was not  sodomy, it was rape, which was a violation of the laws of hospitality held by virtually every ancient civilization (including the Israelites - see Abraham eating with salt on the table).  There's a reason that Dante reserved the ninth circle of Hell for traitors (traitors to family, traitors to country, and traitors to guests or hosts), and that attitude was ancient even in his day.

Do you actually have the translation that shows what the original words translated as "effeminate" and "homosexual" actually mean?  While I agree you're probably right, the argument loses water if you don't include the real meaning.  I'd be interested in having the real translation.

by thain1982 on 07/06/2009 10:57:08 AM EST

I did some looking, and it looks like both terms can be used to imply what they have been translated to imply, but that their meaning is likely somewhat different.

"Malakos," translated as effeminate, also means soft, and was the word used when speaking about a rich man in the verse which says it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven, but it was also in common usage as a sexually wanton person and an effeminate male prostitute, so the thinking is that it COULD have been used to imply the "catcher" in a homosexual relationship, although it is more likely by far that it is making reference to the same rich people referenced in the "eye of a needle" passage.

"Arenokoitai," translated as homosexual, can refer to being the active partner in intercourse, male prostitution, or raping little boys (well, pederasty, since the Greeks didn't really call it rape).  This one has a stronger case for being an outright reference to homosexuality, but there is still enough ambiguity that it could simply be referring to general sexual wantonness, or it could even be referring to statutory same-gender rape.

by thain1982 on 07/06/2009 11:38:20 AM EST

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