While I like the way you present your argument I don't agree with you completely.  What are they supposed to do if these people start to show up at town hall events armed in increasing numbers?   What if there are 3, 10, 50?  At some point in time the statistics will catch up with them and someone is going to get mad enough to pull a weapon.   Once that happens things can escalate in a hurry.  There is a psychology at play in crowds that can override the normal restraints that an individual will normally exhibit.  I can see one of these fools acting at the loud urgings around him to make a bid for everlasting "glory" and doing something really stupid.  I don't know that it is a smart precedent to be setting.

by bfaul on 08/12/2009 05:21:34 PM EST

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Sometimes you have to deal with nutjobs.

Just in case it got lost in my inability to be concise, I'm not advocating letting people INTO town hall meetings with guns; it's just my understanding that the guy that had one was outside the meeting, on private property.

If many people start showing up with guns OUTSIDE the meetings, and it becomes a problem, then there'll likely be a law passed that specifies the distance that needs to be kept at rallies and the like.  If that's challenged, then the Supreme Court can elect to decide if its constitutional or not.

I realize I'm terribly over simplifying here, but I'm not sure I see the problem.  Many folks seem to be saying, "Well, if it were Bush..." and as I said in my previous post... Who cares? It's like saying, "Well, if you were in North Korea...", which I admit to being guilty of myself.  It doesn't matter. We're not, thankfully. (Directed, of course, at my fellow Americans. If you ARE reading this in North Korea, be sure to thank the dedicated souls maintaining Tor and Freenet.)

This really is a simple issue.  Was the guy breaking any laws? If yes, then he should be dealt with accordingly. If he wasn't, and we're talking about this because it seems ludicrous to some there isn't a law against it, then the question is, "Should there be a law against someone having a gun in such close proximity to the President?"  If the answer's yes, then such a law should get written and voted upon. If no, then, we're back to, "The guy didn't do anything wrong."

I'll freely admit that my political viewpoint often fails; not because it's wrong, but because people tend to be idiots.  You can see on the youtube channel for this video how people break down to shouting vulgarities louder than each other, instead of even attempting to listen to anyone else's point of view.  Idiocity tends to bring down everyone's party, and usually, it's that small, very very vocal minority.

With Libertarians, the assumption is that people understand that common sense has a part in things.  As long as you don't infringe on me, I won't infringe on you. (Do what you want, I'll do what I want, and we'll not prevent each other from doing so.)  However, just because, for example, I _can_ carry a gun, doesn't mean I _should_.  

I think people are confusing this issue; I truly believe that the guy was well within his rights. I think debate's a good idea, and I think that he was stating his position, albeit in a not as often seen way, these days. 

I didn't say I thought he went about it wisely.  If more people do this, then I think we'll need to have a discussion about just what IS acceptable in a public venue.

(I want to clarify: I don't tout a gun around; I think most people who do are cowards, and really very scared of the world, and having 'a piece' on their hip is a way of getting instant self esteem.  I don't believe it's the case HERE, though. That guy was making a political statement. That's actually a pretty good reason for having a gun. Another good reason is to protect your loved ones, in your own home.  The reason folks no longer NEED to be armed when they, for instance, go shopping, is because our society's as safe as it is.  Other countries? Not so much so...)

Summary:

1. Let's worry about 2, 3, [fibonacci set] when it happens. Until then, let's talk about what actually did happen.

2. The guy did, or didn't break the law. 

3. If he did, arrest him.

4. If he didn't, decide whether there should be a law against what he did, or not.

5. If there should be a law, ... start writing your duly elected representatives.

6. If there shouldn't, then celebrate the fact that we even got to see this; if this were Bush, the guy would have been arrested, and the media prevented from evening noting it'd occured.

7. Enjoy the delicious irony of the hypocrisy of me saying 6, after berating everyone else for pulling that same thing. :-)


The essence of freedom is proper limitation of government.

by sigilscythe on 08/12/2009 05:59:04 PM EST

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http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=NPj9a5wvTk0

Wow. This is old (probably from '01), but says what I've been trying to say.

 


The essence of freedom is proper limitation of government.

by sigilscythe on 08/12/2009 06:23:06 PM EST

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old perhaps if you're under 25, but I used to watch Dennis Miller try to be funny on SNL Week End update way, way back in 1985 - 1992 when I was much younger than I am today.

by gatekeeper50 on 08/13/2009 01:18:44 PM EST

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