Founder Of Evangelical Movement Blows Whistle On Townhall 'Protests' & More | 21 comments (21 topical, 0 hidden)
Both sides do this, Tom... (none / 1)
Why is that so hard for you to get? Its not a matter of "Who started it?" Its a matter of "Who's doing it this time?" I continue to sit in amazement as Liberals try to usurp our freedom of speech, even if the ones doing the speaking are conservative leaning corporations. Do they have no rights in this country?

by bobo1 on 08/08/2009 02:10:39 PM EST

The "Both Sides" bullshit (none / 1)
Here is my comment from the libertarian's thread trying to equate MoveOn's anti-war movement with that of the Townhallers.

Hopefully this will explain the enormous difference, never mind the fact if you actually watch the videos I posted above (I know you didn't), you'll see that it's not "both sides" that come dangerously close to encouraging murder. It's one thing to cherry-pick a few nuts (from either side), but this clearly goes beyond that:

What is the motive behind MoveOn? Is it the same motive that the Club For Growth and Americans For Prosperity have (read:money/corporate profits)?

MoveOn does mobilize grassroots movements, and while I'm not endorsing everything they do, there's a critical point here. When they rallied against a war (that we know was based on faked intelligence, torture, that was planned prior to 9/11, etc.) it wasn't because huge corporations who profit from non-war (do they exist? What is the opposite of the Military Industrial Complex? The Peace Industrial Complex?) gave them money and LIED to them about what would happen when we went to war.

Here we have the modern day Phillip Morris busing people around the country to yell "Let Pregnant Women Smoke!", "Smoking Is Safe!", "Get Rid Of Filters!" It's pathetic. These are not ideological movements they are corporate movements. Of course in that sense I guess they do in fact represent what the Republican party now stands for, but it's pathetic that anyone calling themselves "conservative" or "libertarian" is ok with that.

by Tom Hanc on 08/08/2009 02:19:02 PM EST

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I cant get videos... (none / 1)
Old Blackberry software - I responded to your comments on TWBAs thread, and I ask you again - Why can MoveOn speak freely, whilst its members openly "suggested" the assasination of Bush, but corporations and concerned citizens can't argue against government run health care while getting pushy with union thugs and plants? I fail to see the course in your logic, other than you saying "I'm right and you're wrong". If we are to have freedom of speech, it needs to work both ways Tom!

by bobo1 on 08/08/2009 02:41:32 PM EST

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Wait a minute (none / 0)
Blackberry? Are you Ken?

Was there a coordinated movement across the country involving enormously powerful groups with near limitless resources to promote a profit agenda that went against the interests of the people asked to join it (although they were unaware of it) and that required blatant lies and misinformation to gain support?

And were there prominent left wing talk show hosts on radio (Limbaugh) and television (Glenn Beck) egging them on and also joking and dancing around violence against politicians and others?

These are rhetorical questions that we both know the answers to.

by Tom Hanc on 08/08/2009 02:52:17 PM EST

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Sounds familiar (none / 0)
Was there a coordinated movement across the country involving enormously powerful groups with near limitless resources to promote a profit agenda that went against the interests of the people asked to join it (although they were unaware of it) and that required blatant lies and misinformation to gain support?

That sounds a lot like Obama's presidential campaign, just substitute power for profit and you've nailed it.


If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's "free."

by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsTwba on 08/08/2009 03:03:45 PM EST

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Keep stretching (none / 0)
Maybe they'll cast you for the remake:

by Tom Hanc on 08/08/2009 03:07:28 PM EST

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New Rule (for you/bobo/ken/hugh same person) (none / 0)
No more comments until you watch the videos in the original post. It'll stop you from wasting our time with arguments that are debunked by the videos ahead of time.

Thanks in advance!

by Tom Hanc on 08/08/2009 03:09:27 PM EST

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New Rule (for you/bobo/ken/hugh same person) (none / 0)
No more comments until you watch the videos in the original post. It'll stop you from wasting our time with arguments that are debunked by the videos ahead of time.

Thanks in advance!

by Tom Hanc on 08/08/2009 03:11:28 PM EST

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Well, Bob, that's just not true (none / 0)
Democrats aren't being bussed around the country to Republican congressmens' town hall meetings with the sole purpose of disrupting them and preventing any reasonable discussion about the issues.  If you could show one single instance of that then you might have a case.  But, as usual, you're simply pulling this shit out of your ass as if you think you're making some kind of valid point.

by EveningStarNM on 08/08/2009 03:19:20 PM EST

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No... (none / 1)
Union Thugs and favorable audiences are being planted in those Democrat town hall meetings to confront senior citizens and people expressing their thoughts, whether those thoughts are paid for or not - is that any better? Star, when your "community organizing" buddies stop registering dead people to vote and calling everyone who doesn't agree with the president "racists", then we will stop asking questions of our Democratic breteren - Actually, no, we won't. :)

by bobo1 on 08/08/2009 04:17:37 PM EST

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Evidence, Bob, you've got to have evidence. (none / 0)
And we know that you don't have any because what you say isn't happening.  Besides, the logical conclusion of your argument is that a congressman's constituents shouldn't show up at his public events, but that it's okay if agitators who are not his constituents disrupt his meetings with his consituents.

Bob, are you incapable of understanding that it is not in the interest of people who support health care reform to disrupt these meetings?

And you also imply that communities shouldn't organize themselves in order to accomplish their common goals.

What is it, Bob?  Is it simply that you lack the intelligence it takes to follow your ideas through to their logical conclusions?

And can you provide any evidence of where someone other than the director a Republican voter registration organization was sent to jail for registration fraud?  And it would help if that person was not reported by the organization for which he was working, as ACORN has done on several occasions.  (It turns out that ACORN is a very ethical organization.)

Bob, I've just got to say it: you strike me as being particularly dishonest and unintelligent.

by EveningStarNM on 08/08/2009 05:04:43 PM EST

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Rush, is that you? (none / 1)

http://crooksandliars.com/d avid-neiwert/rush-limbaugh- has-his-fascism-all-ba

Here's the important part of the post. 

"Actually, Limbaugh has historical references exactly reversed. "Mussolini-type stuff" involves organizing gangs of thugs on behalf of established business interests to assault and intimidate union organizers."

Follow that link for more detail about the subject from a book called, "The Anatomy of Fascism" 

Your blackberry can handle facts, right? 

 

by Badass4Peace on 08/08/2009 05:07:57 PM EST

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let me clarify for you bobo/hugh/KenTX (none / 0)
Conservatives on the fringe like you are suffering from "Obama Trauma." You awoke one morning to realize you were no longer the establishment and have not been able to absorb the fact. In short you are clinging to your delusions, aided and abetted by right wing radio and blogs.

 What the Town Hall mobs, the birthers tea parties (all the same group) do in aces is to bring to the forefront the mental health issues of many Americans.

Calling a Senator and leaving death threats because they aren't having a town hall meeting and you want to go and disrupt it. Does not in any way shape or form fall within the parameters of civil discourse.

Disagreeing with the President doesnt make you a racist. Being a racist makes you a racist. Thought I would clear that up for ya !

Why do conservatives want to disrupt town hall meetings?  Why cant they have an HONEST debate?

A conservative believes nothing should be done for the first time

by C D on 08/08/2009 10:21:32 PM EST

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Founder Of Evangelical Movement Blows Whistle On Townhall 'Protests' & More | 21 comments (21 topical, 0 hidden)