Founder Of Evangelical Movement Blows Whistle On Townhall 'Protests' & More | 21 comments (21 topical, 0 hidden)
The "Both Sides" bullshit (none / 1)
Here is my comment from the libertarian's thread trying to equate MoveOn's anti-war movement with that of the Townhallers.

Hopefully this will explain the enormous difference, never mind the fact if you actually watch the videos I posted above (I know you didn't), you'll see that it's not "both sides" that come dangerously close to encouraging murder. It's one thing to cherry-pick a few nuts (from either side), but this clearly goes beyond that:

What is the motive behind MoveOn? Is it the same motive that the Club For Growth and Americans For Prosperity have (read:money/corporate profits)?

MoveOn does mobilize grassroots movements, and while I'm not endorsing everything they do, there's a critical point here. When they rallied against a war (that we know was based on faked intelligence, torture, that was planned prior to 9/11, etc.) it wasn't because huge corporations who profit from non-war (do they exist? What is the opposite of the Military Industrial Complex? The Peace Industrial Complex?) gave them money and LIED to them about what would happen when we went to war.

Here we have the modern day Phillip Morris busing people around the country to yell "Let Pregnant Women Smoke!", "Smoking Is Safe!", "Get Rid Of Filters!" It's pathetic. These are not ideological movements they are corporate movements. Of course in that sense I guess they do in fact represent what the Republican party now stands for, but it's pathetic that anyone calling themselves "conservative" or "libertarian" is ok with that.

by Tom Hanc on 08/08/2009 02:19:02 PM EST

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I cant get videos... (none / 1)
Old Blackberry software - I responded to your comments on TWBAs thread, and I ask you again - Why can MoveOn speak freely, whilst its members openly "suggested" the assasination of Bush, but corporations and concerned citizens can't argue against government run health care while getting pushy with union thugs and plants? I fail to see the course in your logic, other than you saying "I'm right and you're wrong". If we are to have freedom of speech, it needs to work both ways Tom!

by bobo1 on 08/08/2009 02:41:32 PM EST

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Wait a minute (none / 0)
Blackberry? Are you Ken?

Was there a coordinated movement across the country involving enormously powerful groups with near limitless resources to promote a profit agenda that went against the interests of the people asked to join it (although they were unaware of it) and that required blatant lies and misinformation to gain support?

And were there prominent left wing talk show hosts on radio (Limbaugh) and television (Glenn Beck) egging them on and also joking and dancing around violence against politicians and others?

These are rhetorical questions that we both know the answers to.

by Tom Hanc on 08/08/2009 02:52:17 PM EST

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Sounds familiar (none / 0)
Was there a coordinated movement across the country involving enormously powerful groups with near limitless resources to promote a profit agenda that went against the interests of the people asked to join it (although they were unaware of it) and that required blatant lies and misinformation to gain support?

That sounds a lot like Obama's presidential campaign, just substitute power for profit and you've nailed it.


If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's "free."

by TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsTwba on 08/08/2009 03:03:45 PM EST

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Keep stretching (none / 0)
Maybe they'll cast you for the remake:

by Tom Hanc on 08/08/2009 03:07:28 PM EST

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New Rule (for you/bobo/ken/hugh same person) (none / 0)
No more comments until you watch the videos in the original post. It'll stop you from wasting our time with arguments that are debunked by the videos ahead of time.

Thanks in advance!

by Tom Hanc on 08/08/2009 03:09:27 PM EST

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New Rule (for you/bobo/ken/hugh same person) (none / 0)
No more comments until you watch the videos in the original post. It'll stop you from wasting our time with arguments that are debunked by the videos ahead of time.

Thanks in advance!

by Tom Hanc on 08/08/2009 03:11:28 PM EST

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Founder Of Evangelical Movement Blows Whistle On Townhall 'Protests' & More | 21 comments (21 topical, 0 hidden)