"I have purposely avoided responding to or engaging ken or bobo in any of their various antics or guises. I don't find it to be at all constructive. Sadly, I've also been participating in the forums less and less because a tone of civility and intelligent exchange seems to be completely optional. It's one thing to say, "I disagree" and explain why, it's also junior high to throw in "asshat."  I don't see myself engaging in much of anything in the forums any longer, and I do think that is sad. Thank you for your efforts and I wish them well."