we should just stop trying, right? i mean, those things are gonna happen anyway so why should we even bother? i'm pretty sure you just advocated complete anarchy. 

by voodoofrnchtoast on 02/09/2010 03:57:14 PM EST

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Its about being realistic in how we approach these issues.

Calling for torture to be ended is all well and good, but its silly to think that it can realistically be acheived.
Same thing goes for the other crimes Jesse listed.

We have punishments, we have rehabilitation, but when it comes right down to it, all of the good intention of our laws and people mean about didley squat...

I'm not calling for anarchy, I just want Liberals to get a clue (another thing that cannot happen, apparently...)

:)

by bobo1 on 02/09/2010 05:21:27 PM EST

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Odd considering that all the experts on interrogation adamantly oppose torture and call it ineffective and counter productive. There are literally thousands of crimes and cases we've conducted/interrogated without torture and have been successful, yet the standards and practice should change simply because the enemy is a Muslim?

What are you afraid of, do you really think Muslims have special powers and are so superior to you that they require a different set of interrogation techniques than the techniques that have proven to work? Its just ridiculous to suggest that you need torture when generals in the army say it will only lead to harm our soldiers.

Bobo, you are guilty of waterboarding a 4 year old girl IMHO, and you will be guilty for the torture our soldiers will face in future wars. You rot America and are a cancer to the ideals we should be protecting.

by Smokin on 02/09/2010 05:50:35 PM EST

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...that you keep using a happy smiley face at the of your comments when the topic of discussion is a 4-year-old who got tortured by her father.

by mochalex on 02/09/2010 06:04:50 PM EST

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i'm just sayin that pretty much every single person who has that same thought process will be completely content with other people suffering while just blowing it off as "inevitable"..... until it happens to them. then they go overboard playing the victim and being outraged at the apathy being displayed to them, when it's exactly how they've been acting all along. the tragedy is that it takes some cruel thing happening to THOSE people before they seem to care. it's practically the same thing as not learning from other's experience. you say "history tells us that crime is inevitable and therefore it's pointless to try and prevent it/do anything about it." whereas i say if we didn't do anything, how much worse do you think it would be? i'm kinda seeing a real world version of Mad Max, or Fallout 3; pick your own apocalypse story. i'm just sayin something has to be done, regardless of how pointless it seems in the long run. if nothing else, it's creating jobs (cops, firemen, doctors, etc) and it might just be helping to keep the world a slightly better place than it could be. you republicans like to have "faith" and not "hope". not everybody can be saved, and not every crime can be prevented, but the fire victim who was rescued just in time, or the mugging victim who sees their assailants put in jail, or the rape victim who was on the verge of blowing her brains out til she spoke to a counsellor would probably disagree that we should just give up. 

by voodoofrnchtoast on 02/09/2010 11:53:49 PM EST

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