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Yup, you're a moron (none / 0)
"He has presented a "Certification of Live Birth".  This is not what is required by law.  He must present a "Certificate of Birth".  This is no small matter." 

You are basing your arguement on semantics. Puppy vs. small dog. Call it what you like, he presented the exact same document any other citizen born in the State of Hawaii would have. Different States call it different things. Hawaii calls it a Certification of Live Birth. Everyone born in Hawaii has one. Are you saying they are all forgeries?

Here are some quotes:
 
"The Health Department says the "Certification of Live Birth" is Hawaii's version of a birth certificate. Calling it by other names — Certificate of Live Birth, Certification of Live Birth — is just semantics. WorldNetDaily may be right that the original birth certificate wasn't posted, but if Hawaii says the the document Obama posted can rightly be called Obama's birth certificate, how is Gibbs lying? We harbor no delusions that anything we say here will slow the persistent drumbeat of the birthers, but we rule this statement False."

"The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama's birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said."

"I guess the big issue that's being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature," Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. "Because they scanned the front … you wouldn't see those things."

Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received."

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 03/13/2010 12:39:13 AM EST

Your point exactly? (none / 0)

Certificates of Live Birth do not mean that you were necessarily born in Hawaii, further you may be adopted.

Under Hawaiian law, it is possible (both legally and illegally) for a person to have been born out of state, yet have a birth certificate on file in the Department of Health.

A. From Hawaii's official Department of Health, Vital Records webpage: "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country" (applies to adopted children). 

B. A parent may register an in-state birth in lieu of certification by a hospital of birth under HRS 338-5.

C. Hawaiian law expressly provides for registration of out-of-state births under HRS 338-17.8.  A foreign birth presumably would have been recorded by the American consular of the country of birth, and presumably that would be reflected on the Hawaiian birth certificate.

D. Hawaiian law, however, expressly acknowledges that its system is subject to error.  See, for example, HRS 338-17.

E. Hawaiian law expressly provides for verification in lieu of certified copy of a birth certificate under HRS 338-14.3.

F. Even the Hawaii Department of Home Lands does not accept a certified copy of a birth certificate as conclusive evidence for its homestead program.  From its web site:  "In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

 

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by mcamelyne on 03/13/2010 03:33:54 AM EST

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Add much? (none / 0)
"A. From Hawaii's official Department of Health, Vital Records webpage: "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country" (applies to adopted children)."

From the site:

Who is Eligible to Apply for an Amendment?

An original entry on a birth, death, marriage, or divorce certificate may be amended by either the private request of an individual or an order of a court of competent jurisdiction. An amendment includes changes, corrections, additions, deletions, or substitutions.

How to Apply for an Amendment

An amendment may be made upon application, but only with the submission of required documentary evidence in support of the amendment. The evidentiary requirements can differ, depending on whether the amendment is court-ordered or, if requested by an individual, whether it materially affects the validity and integrity of the record.

Wanna point out the part which "applies to adopted children"? While you're at it, explain how anything pertaining to adopted children is relevent?

B. A parent may register an in-state birth...

What's your point? If his parents registered his birth, doesn't that tell you he was BORN there??

A foreign birth presumably would have been recorded by the American consular of the country of birth, and presumably that would be reflected on the Hawaiian birth certificate.

No. It wouldn't. The birth certificate comes from where the person was BORN. Hawaii WOULD NOT REGISTER the BIRTH of someone who WASN'T BORN THERE. My son was born in the Philippines. When he needs a birth certificate, he has to get it from there - not Hawaii or any other state or the American Consulate.

E. Hawaiian law expressly provides for verification in lieu of certified copy of a birth certificate

(b)  A verification shall be considered for all purposes certification that the vital event did occur and that the facts of the event are as stated by the applicant.

Let me repeat that...

(b)  A verification shall be considered for all purposes certification that the vital event did occur and that the facts of the event are as stated by the applicant.

Homesteading? HOMESTEADING?? What The FUCK are you TALKING about? This is a program for NATIVE HAWAIINS, not just people who happen to be BORN there!

You must be a native Hawaiian, defined as "any descendant of not less than one-half part of the blood of the races inhabiting the Hawaiian Islands previous to 1778."

Dude, you need a more productive hobby...

by MedfordTim on 03/14/2010 12:23:11 AM EST

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It's working its way throguh the court... (none / 0)

Eventually we'll get the answer.  In fact the document Obama presented is not a certified copy of his Birth Certificate, which is what you need for a passport.

Here is the most recent filing from March 8th.  On March 22nd there will be another filing.  Eventually this case will make it to the supreme court and we will discover if Pres Obama is a natural born citizen.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2 8042875/Kerchner-v-Obama-Ap peal-Defendants-Opposition- Brief-Filed-8-Mar-2010

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by mcamelyne on 03/14/2010 01:27:44 AM EST

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We already got the answer (none / 0)
Another challenge from birther queen Orly Taitz against President Obama's birth certificate has been thrown out of court.

U.S. District Judge David O. Carter's decision came down this morning. dismissed Orly Taitz's challenge that Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen and so is not the country's legitimate president.

 witnesses complained Taitz wanted them to lie on the stand.

AND IN ANOTHER COURT

Earlier this month, Taitz was slapped with a $20,000 sanction by a judge in Georgia for "wasting the judicial resources" of the Middle District of Georgia with her "frivolous and sanctionable conduct."

Supreme court MY ASS...  


by Chinese Democracy on 03/14/2010 05:11:16 AM EST

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You can write, so I think you can read. (none / 0)
This suit is from Miss Looney tunes.  This suit is from a real lawyer with a real argument.  Stay tuned, I am sure there will be more to come.

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 03/14/2010 06:31:57 AM EST

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A Lazurus Long quote! (none / 0)
Can't let that go by without acknowledging it!

Thanks!

by MedfordTim on 03/13/2010 11:53:46 PM EST

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