MoveOn.org 83-17 To Pass The Bill | 12 comments (12 topical, 0 hidden)
Doesn't change my mind anyway. (none / 0)
This bill does far more damage than good and the fact that some people disagree with me doesnt change the substance of the bill.

Ill be standing with myself to the end.

by Young Turk 87 on 03/11/2010 07:02:00 PM EST

Others (none / 0)
Will be standing with you, like me. None of them have refuted the projected long term damage of this bill, and if any of them come crying to you just punch em in the face. None of these people speak for all progressives, plenty of them have switched back and forth for this thing so whatever. This thing is going to get passed, Obama and congress shaped it the way they wanted it, and they are going to push it. The slaughter this is going to cause for the Dems is going to be hilarious.

by Alloy on 03/11/2010 07:36:59 PM EST

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Nobody (none / 0)
ever speaks for everybody.  But there is no doubt that there is now a consenus among progressives and liberals.

MoveOn is larger than all the other progressive organisations put together.  DailyKos would be a distant second.  Virtually all of the other powerful liberals (by this I mean people like Ed Schultz) now endorse this also.

The progessives against this now are small bit groups like FDL or the whacko sites like NoQuarter and HillaryIs44.

Health Care will be made a right once this is signed into law, not a privledge that Rush, Beck, Boehner and McConnell believe it should be.  That philosophical change will be one of the biggest in our nation's history.

As Howard Dean said over at Kos & Sherrod Brown said a few days ago on Countdown, the fight for the Public Option (or more likely expanded Medicare) will not be over.  We will not let it be.  But now will have all the other essentials (such as the unpopular mandate that is necessary for a Public Option to work) out of the way to make it a single-issue vote, instead of it being forced to be a small part on a major major bill where it's much easier to kill.

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by HistoryByDay on 03/11/2010 08:00:04 PM EST

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All that’s left to say is, you guys own this along with Obama. You won’t need Glenn Beck after this to give Progressives a bad name. The theory that you need a mandate first is foolish, unless that plan is to let the insurance milk everyone so bad that it will be the only action left. I don't know whose going to be left to join this fight to follow up on a public option (OR WHEN) or a single payer system, call me blind but I again see this whole thing and every other bill being constructed as the Dems forging the weapon for their slaughter. 

by Alloy on 03/11/2010 08:51:20 PM EST

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We Know We'll Own It (none / 0)
and look, I'm against the mandate on the same philosophical reasons you probably are, but I just can't see how insurance (public or private) can get around the cost shifting issue without it.  My ears are open if you know how.

My website: History By Day
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by HistoryByDay on 03/11/2010 09:48:46 PM EST

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MoveOn.org 83-17 To Pass The Bill | 12 comments (12 topical, 0 hidden)