Niqab in Quebec seen from the inside | 29 comments (29 topical, 0 hidden)
You obviously (none / 0)

miss the whole point of it all.  The problem is not and has never been the niqab.  If it was, she couldn't have attended to her class during 6 months.

 The problem is that she asked the men in class to be treated differently.  You have the freedom to believe in what you want, but your freedom of practicing this belief must come after the equality of men and women.

 And no, muslims are not specificly targeted, a lot of accomodations have been put in place so they can practice their religion in Quebec and I'm not going to list them all.  If you knew the bare minimum relative to this topic you would know that in 2008 the government commanded a year long audience where people could come and say what they didn't like about the tens of accomodations that had been put in place.

 You're talking about intolerance, how is she not intolerant toward her male classmates who, during 6 months, accepted her requests? Quebeckers may live in the state/province of North America which is the less religious of them all because they kicked Christianity out of the door 40-50 years ago, but they know one thing about religion : Religion is a motivation to be tolerant, not an excuse to be intolerant.

 

by Piid on 03/16/2010 12:53:01 PM EST

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I dont think so (none / 0)

I think that the reality here is this is a continuation of the assault against the Muslim womans right to wear whatever she feels comfortable in.

For several years now the news media around the world has been dripping with stories of this and that institution refuse the rights of Muslim women to wear their  traditional clothing.

 

This is just another slight against them, dressed up to look pretty with a heaped serving of  "you cant learn anything unless I can see your lips" drenched across the top of it.

 

And you are happily buying into the deception. Your comment "how is she not intolerant toward her male classmates" shows your complete lack of empathy to her and those like her.....   She is not even considering any sort of intolerance towards anyone, she is simply trying to remain true to her Faith.

 

 

by icarrion on 03/16/2010 01:18:14 PM EST

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You miss the point,

 She was not kicked out because they didn't like the way she was dressed.  They ask her to follow the course online because she asked men to be remove of the course because they were facing her and because after that, she wouldn't remove her burqa not even a second in privacy with the teacher, a thing that had apparently nothing wrong with her faith a week before.

 As you say, she should be allowed to wear whatever she feels comfortable in, and she is.  All that the government asks is that she removes it, in privacy, for 2-3 minutes, so the teacher can help her better.  Is that so in contradiction with her religion?  Is that really so much to ask for to someone you're giving so much?

 And don't get started on institutions prosecuting religious clothings. If you had read what I first posted, you would know Quebec is the only part in the western world crazy enough to let a kid go to school with a knife so he can, as you say, stay true to his faith.

by Piid on 03/16/2010 01:56:44 PM EST

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I found the Article on CBC News (none / 0)
"Her female teacher was accommodating, she said, telling her she could sit in the front of the class with the men behind her so that if she did need to lift the veil when speaking, only the teacher would see her. The compromise worked well, and Naema said she was happy. During group discussions, she wore her niqab and spoke loudly so people could hear her.

It was only when officials from the province's immigration ministry visited the class that she was asked to stop wearing the niqab altogether. When she refused, they told her she could no longer attend the course."

 

 So all was going well until the govt intervened and demanded she take off her Niqab....  That's a little different from what you have been stating.... And far more like what I was expecting to be the truth in the matter.

 

And this version explains why She was successfully completing the course for more than 6 months before it became an issue...

 

Yes I know, you have already told me that its ok for Jewish citizens to demand that people wearing work-out clothing must do so behind tinted windows, And that Jewish citizens dont have to speak to female police officers at all, and that its ok for Indian students to carry knives at school....  

Its just not ok for a Muslim woman to cover her face ...

 

It's racial/religious discrimination.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/mo ntreal/story/2010/03/03/mon treal-woman-with-niqab-feel s-treated-unfairly.html

by icarrion on 03/16/2010 03:14:23 PM EST

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You would be right (none / 0)

if this article would report the truth. But as I said previously all the French reports of this and all the English reports of this suggest very different things.  If in fact as it is said in the article you link, the government visited the room and broke all accomodations, that would be outrageous and I would be on your side.  If they had succeeded in accomodating her and the government broke it all, it's clearly the government fault, not hers, and she should be allowed back into school instantly.

 But as I originately said, what I'm a little pissed about is that the English media only reports what they wanna report.  I'm gonna link you here the French version from the French counterpart of CBC that they "translated".

 http://www.radio-canada.ca/ nouvelles/Politique/2010/03 /02/003-quebec_niqab.shtml

 If you can get a french friend to translate it for you, he would tell you exactly what I originately posted : that she was expelled after asking other men to be move away from the class and after she decided refusing lifting her niqab just for the teacher.  Then AFTER the school went to government.

 I know 9 out of 10 english media you will find will tell the same thing as the CBC and that's why I took the time to translate the story that really happened that Toronto's media doesn't want to report because... well because they don't like us.

 And seriously, which school, let alone a cegep which is a sort of transition between high school and university, is being visited by government representatives?  I don't know for you but I have never seen it.

by Piid on 03/16/2010 06:24:18 PM EST

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