In 200 years you will finally have a 20th century first world (some 3rd worlds have it certainly 2nd world) health care system. I'm going to be laughing from up north from now, (if they accept me that is, if not I will try Spain since I got a few family members there). I don't see this thing getting revisited without also adding more republican BS therefore making it worse and the liberals getting blamed solely for it (they should get their share though). This incrementalist BS will work until the Republicans regain control of things, then they jam whatever they want in 2 fucking years making this thing a complete waste of time. I’m really sad about not allowing drug importation; you guys got screwed on that.

by Alloy on 03/17/2010 08:33:33 PM EST

Are you in Canada? As for the "reform" working in the short run, the subsidies will help and the pre-existing condition ban will help (on paper, but the cynic in me assumes there are loopholes).

And yes, it's a short term political win. But the bottom line for me is that I only care about political wins if they translate to policy wins. Unfortunately that hasn't happened on any major issue I can think of, and I don't see it happening any time soon.

by Tom Hanc on 03/17/2010 08:39:01 PM EST

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Made it seem I was already in, I'm in the process of applying for citizenship in Canada. There are loopholes as you they can't deny you insurance on the exchange but outside they can. And I even doubt that, we both know the lack of balls the US government has when it comes to enforcing regulations.

The short term win won't even be that big but the long term damage this will cause leftist ideals will be huge. Unless they actually do come back and alter the shit out of this bill which is doubtful since they didn't have the balls for it in the first place.

by Alloy on 03/17/2010 09:03:20 PM EST

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...laugh at us about the fact that our country is screwed because the people we voted for decided to stab us in the back and we have basically no power or recourse to keep from going bankrupt and/or dying?

If you would like to laugh at us for that, for some reason, can you at least do so on a website where people are not completely pissed about imminently taking the blame for a bill that none of us like?  Can you go to a site where their short-sightedness about insurance reform might actually warrant some derisive laughter?  There are plenty of places dominated by delusional corporatists who think they are saving America by trying to stop the "radical Leftist takeover of Health Care".  Go laugh at them, or better, try to educate a few of them.

Not every one of us can move up to Canada and laugh at how pathetic America has become.  I'm more than a little bit vexed by your amusement. 

by Milltycoon on 03/18/2010 01:31:42 AM EST

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You guys can blow up the world 500 times over, that’s more than Canada can say.

Do I feel bad for the common American just getting fucked everyday? Yup, not as bad as I feel for people in the 3 world but yeah kind of bad. However this whole system America has going is funny except this place is starting to affect the rest of the world even when it’s not invading something.

Right now I'm in the same boat as you guys (just trying to swim to shore), and hey I might be denied citizenship so who knows I might not go anywhere. However even if I’m in the boat with you guys I would still be laughing at this place, that’s just me.

by Alloy on 03/18/2010 02:10:36 AM EST

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"Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward." - Kurt Vonnegut

by Tom Hanc on 03/18/2010 02:24:55 AM EST

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Love Vonnegut, based on his last few books I get the feeling he was going a lot of laughing towards the end. 

by alphasigmookie on 03/18/2010 10:45:17 AM EST

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Thanks for giving me a good reason to smile, remembering my favorite author...now, as much as I dont want to wish my life away....the retirement in Belgium is sounding soooo good.

"Life's rich demand creates supply in the hands of the power, the only vote that matters." --James Michael Stipe, from Begin the Begin.

by Hamsterdam on 03/22/2010 02:33:09 PM EST

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Which then gave me the broader Horizon to also have a passion for Shakespeare. Shakespeare, Blake, Vonnegut....I couldnt pick a favorite book, play, poem or sonnet amongst them, each fills a niche in my intellectual, and imaginative curiosity.

"Life's rich demand creates supply in the hands of the power, the only vote that matters." --James Michael Stipe, from Begin the Begin.

by Hamsterdam on 03/22/2010 02:39:14 PM EST

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