It's global cooling we must worry about | 32 comments (32 topical, 0 hidden)
Seriously? (none / 0)

1)-No source(s) = no reason to take you seriously. Coming back with a corporate funded/connected source doesn't count.

2)-Coal, not gasoline. I said dirty sources of energy, period, not just oil/gas.

3)-In plenty of major cities or areas with pollution producing factories. Not to mention pollution coming to the west coast from China, or benzene from gas. And I don't walk to the studio BTW.

4)-See # 1/3.

5)-If we do nothing, you think all countries would do the same? What kind of Republican makes that argument? Really, we should keep funding terrorists indirectly because even if we stop, not everyone else will? 

by Tom Hanc on 03/20/2010 12:51:01 AM EST

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Yes and no (none / 0)

Coal plants have plenty of localized effects. As for the rest of the planet, our horrible trade deals (that promote externalities like pollution) need to change as well.

 

by Tom Hanc on 03/20/2010 01:46:31 AM EST

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And (none / 0)

I'm glad to see you agree the entire planet needs to get off dirty sources of energy. That's step one.

Conservatives need to concede that point and then we can get on to discussing how to go about creating the alternatives. Of course since I'm not having any kids I'm doing my part.

;)

 

by Tom Hanc on 03/20/2010 01:52:43 AM EST

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You're kidding, right? (none / 0)

Liberals are all about birth control and sex ed (not sterilization) for all countries. We're also pro-choice, although obviously that shouldn't be used AS birth control. I'm also a non-theist, and generally speaking non-theist/secular types are far less likely to pump out a bunch of kids.

Where are conservatives on this issue? (Rhetorical Question)

by Tom Hanc on 03/20/2010 02:15:18 AM EST

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Don't fuck in the front hole! (none / 0)
Doug Stanhope on why abortion is green.

"The first thing Fascists usually try to do is silencing the opposition."

by opposition on 03/20/2010 05:46:34 AM EST

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Burning fossil fuels are bad, so is lying (none / 0)

I think we can all agree that reducing our dependence on fossil fuels is a good thing.  For me, anything that reduces our consumption of petrol is good as it reduces our requirement to import oil and we can bring the troops home.  I am not an isolationist, but I see no point in continuing to prop up Arab sheiks.

We can convert to natural gas for our auto industry at the cost of $150/car.  Subsidize the installation with tax credits at your local fuel station and there it is.  No more importation of fuel.

There is plenty of natural gas in the US.  Further natural gas produces less CO2 than petroleum.  Bring all the troops home and close our overseas bases.  That will save 350 billion  a year for tax payers and help close the budget deficit.

The world is a dangerous place.  As long as we depend on imported fuel it will continue to be a dangerous place.  Having troops in harms way makes it more dangerous rather than safer.  If the Muslims want to kill each other, that's their business.

Anyone advocating a sterilization program better be the first in line.  Accidents of birth shouldn't decide your right to procreate, your level of education, your right to housing or health care.  The conservative bull of work hard and  prosper sounds good, until you have lived in slums with people making $1 a day.

I hope everyone enjoys their cheap Walmart products made by indentured labor in sweat shops.  If you are not willing to live on $2/day why should you expect the person making your clothes to.  Fox and America are a very sad place indeed.

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 03/20/2010 12:18:41 PM EST

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I'm reasonable (none / 0)

I don't want desperate people doing something irreversible for short term cash. But I'm fine with medium term birth control (Norplant, etc.) for drug addicted women or for those needing money.

Hopefully by the time the birth control ends their financial situation has improved (and or they're off drugs) to the point where they can adequately care for a child. That's the fairest option, much better than no option or sterilization.

 

by Tom Hanc on 03/20/2010 07:07:13 PM EST

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Huh? (none / 0)

I'm all about birth control (short and medium term, i.e. norplant) secularism, free education (regular ed and sex ed) and challenging the notion that it's a good idea to pump out a bunch of kids. All of those things are proven to reduce population growth.

Complain to the other set of "you guys".

by Tom Hanc on 03/20/2010 08:23:31 PM EST

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Education is the key (none / 0)
In Vietnam it has been readily demonstrated that the best birth control is to send girls to university.  Girls that attend university are far more likely to wait until they are 27+ to have their first child.  This generally results in a 2 child household.  Whereas girls on the farm are still having 3 or 4.

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 03/20/2010 09:27:31 PM EST

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It's about family planning. (none / 0)

You make the presumption that poor people shouldn't propagate as if it is their fault they are poor.  Since the bulk of poor people are brown your statement has the unintended consequence of being racist.

I hadn't notice any programs in the US offering to pay people to get vasectomies.

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 03/20/2010 09:24:54 PM EST

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Your referral makes my point. (none / 0)

Here is your poster child:

"In interviews Barbara Harris compared pregnant women to dogs that need to be neutered. This stance has invoked comparisons to the eugenics movement of the early 20th century.[2] Ms. Harris has repeatedly compared the women the program targets to animals, stating that “I’m not saying these women are dogs, but they’re not acting any more responsible than a dog in heat.”[3] She has also stated: “[W]e don’t allow dogs to breed. We spay them. We neuter them. We try to keep them from having unwanted puppies, and yet these women are literally having litters of children.”"

You gotta do better than that Ken.  This program is completed repugnant on all levels.

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 03/21/2010 12:24:25 AM EST

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Is anybody asking you? (none / 0)

Aren't you being a bit melodramatic.  The entire foreign aid budget devoted to non-Israeli issues is miniscule.  Further the money paid out by the UN is infinitesimal.  Unless you are contributing to some charity group, you aren't paying for these children, quit your whining.

Those vasectomies are only for drug users and they are really mostly tubal ligations for crack users.  Ms. Harris's comparisons between bitches in heat and people is nauseating.  I don't believe in the notion of hate speech, but there is a more polite way to say it and make your message more effective.

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 03/21/2010 02:12:38 AM EST

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Emergency relief (none / 0)
There is a difference between helping someone in an emergency and providing them with regular aid.  Which of your fellow Americans would you like to see killed?  That's what your really saying.  You would like to commit genocide worldwide so that you will not have to share the worlds resources with others.

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 03/21/2010 03:25:59 AM EST

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Reduced oil imports would be good, (none / 0)
but:

   "There is plenty of natural gas in the US."


You might want to research that a bit more, with particular reference to the environmental effects of shale gas extraction and how suddenly and unpredictably gas deposits run out compared with those of oil.

Don't believe the hype, as someone says.

(And, although it's your choice of course, why are you stooping to read, let alone respond to, troll comments. It just produces crap that needs to be scrolled past and lowers the tone of your post.)

by Landbeyond on 03/21/2010 03:20:40 AM EST

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