I Admire Dennis Kucinich | 23 comments (23 topical, 0 hidden)
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He already voted against Health Care Reform with a public option, so it's not about that.

He's a complete fraud.  He wants to kill this entire thing for his 15 minutes.  Fuck him.  He's no different than Grassley or Snowe or any of those other lying fuckers.  It could have everything he wants and he'll still vote no.

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by HistoryByDay on 03/09/2010 07:02:53 AM EST

I think you're misinterpreting Kucinich's motive. (none / 0)
He wants to kill this bill for the same reason that I want it killed: it's a mirage, and it's biggest supporters are making fraudulent claims about how much good it will do for us.  Your cynical view that "It could have everything he wants and he'll still vote no" is, in my opinion, completely unjustified.

by EveningStarNM on 03/09/2010 08:10:04 AM EST

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Someone who'd vote against the public option because they want single-payer never wanted single payer or anything else in the first place.  He's using you, he's an L I A R, liar.

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by HistoryByDay on 03/09/2010 08:30:00 AM EST

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Fiction by Night (none / 0)
That "public option" wasn't a public option and Kucinich did the right thing voting against it.

Single payer is the only real public option. Disagree with his stance if you want, but don't be such an MSM tool when it comes to descriptors...

by MedfordTim on 03/09/2010 11:50:25 AM EST

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He was for it just like Blanche Lincoln.

You're being used, he's a fraud who's in this for Dennis and only Dennis.  His bread is getting buttered quite nicely.

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by HistoryByDay on 03/09/2010 02:28:24 PM EST

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I think his stand is pricipled unless (none / 0)
you are one of the millions who lose everything they own because of a medical bankruptcy.  Or it is your 5 year old child laying on the bed dying because his benefit limits ran out.  Medicare and Social Security were crap when first passed.  Thank God people were not so short-sighted and ideological when they passed.

by kylewis on 03/09/2010 10:15:10 AM EST

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Maybe you're right. (none / 1)
Maybe this bill is a path to something better.  However, I don't believe that comparing this effort with the initial Medicare and Social Security laws is valid.  Those programs started out offering a broad segment of the population tangible benefits, as well as helping alleviate problems that affected the entire country.

The current legislation does nothing.  They're talking about reducing the deficit by $100 billion over ten years.

THAT'S ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT.

$100 billion over ten years is INSIGNIFICANT.  We spend $2 TRILLION PER YEAR on health care.

The other "benefits" of the bill (for instance, the elimination of discrimination based on pre-existing conditions) are trivial and unnecessary.  In addition, the insurance companies already have programs in place to work around them by forcing people into high-risk, high-cost "pools".

I want the proposals currently before Congress to be killed.  I want a lot of members of Congress to lose their seats over it.  I want a fucking revolution!  I'm sick of the corruption that has saddled us with the crappy legislation we're getting that only cements the corporate robbery of our treasury and our national wealth.

by EveningStarNM on 03/09/2010 10:07:25 PM EST

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I don't agree. (none / 0)

Kucinich is not a Republican.  If this bill had everything he wanted in it, he would (in my prediction) vote Yes in a heartbeat.  If the bill had even 40% of what he wanted, he would still probably vote Yes.

Kucinich's legacy can only be hurt by his voting No for a bill that had "everything he wanted."  He would be known as the stalwart Liberal in Congress who helped kill a great bill which would have realized a major plank in his agenda.  An enormous "lose" as judged by (Democratic) history.  The Republican Party's self-identified legacy here is in causing the failure of Obama's Presidency.  So Grassley and Snowe _help_ their legacy as Republicans by blocking this bill at all costs.  If it fails, and a Republican is elected, and this turns the tide of the country toward appreciation of Republican governance, that is a huge "win" as judged by (Republican) history. 

If Kuninich wanted his 15 minutes as he killed a Single Payer bill, he'd have to be aware that he was seeking this fame in direct opposition to his political foundation. 

by Milltycoon on 03/09/2010 08:45:59 AM EST

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Being for single payer is like being for world peace. You can clame the high road with some meaningless phrase while working to kill the path there such as the public option.

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by HistoryByDay on 03/09/2010 02:32:46 PM EST

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YOU bought the line! (none / 0)
There isn't enough REFORM in this bill.

Your analogy sucks, by the way. I know you can do better. Single payer is currently in use and working very well, thank you, all around the planet. It is NOT an idyllic dream for cloud gazers. It is a reality we CAN accomplish - as long as we don't listen to corporatist apologists...

But, yeah, I'd rather take the high road any day. Why would I WANT to choose any other road?

by MedfordTim on 03/09/2010 03:19:17 PM EST

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Yes, the high road with the fame, power, millions & that luxorious private health plan he has that come on his faux high road. He's truly a man of the people.  What a brave soul.

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by HistoryByDay on 03/09/2010 04:46:34 PM EST

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I Admire Dennis Kucinich | 23 comments (23 topical, 0 hidden)