H.R. 5741 Universal National Service Act = Mandatory Military Service?? | 39 comments (39 topical, 0 hidden)
I am against military service for anyone (none / 0)

I always try to influence people to stay out of military service, regardless of their country.

For one, I absolutely refuse to ever shoot to kill, even to protect my own life, and I would only shoot then for a shoulder or something.

Two, I am against all wars of aggression, invasions of other countries, etc, for America or any other country. I prefer more peaceful methods.

Three, I do not view military service as good for the country, or serving the country. I'd like to serve the country, or the world really, but that would mean activism, being a doctor, etc, not serving the military. 

Support your country by not joining the military. 

by Maghetti21 on 07/28/2010 11:31:04 PM EST

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So you are against police, firefighters, nurses? (none / 0)

This service is not just military.  Those who do not want to be militarized will serve in another capacity.  The country needs soldiers, but it also needs a whole lot more.

You can't say I paid my taxes so I have no obligations.  Citizenship is much more than that.  I assume you were sleeping in civics class.

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 07/29/2010 03:22:56 AM EST

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I can't think of something much (none / 0)
more anti democratic and authoritarian than forced service in ANYTHING. Forcing people to serve in any job for the state is the sort of thing wars should actually be fought over if they have to be. This is the sort of policy I expect from a fascist. You can take that authoritarian nonsense and shove it up your ass.

by Maghetti21 on 07/29/2010 09:01:07 PM EST

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And you can move somewhere else... (none / 0)
where the only thing people value is money.

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 07/30/2010 03:01:23 AM EST

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If it was up to me money wouldn't exist. (none / 0)
I hate money, it is the least of my concern. I right now am as poor as possible. No job, in debt from college, with less than 20$ left until i finish college. I do care about civil service, just not FORCED civil service. The forced part is where you go from agreement into my perceiving fascism.

by Maghetti21 on 07/30/2010 07:01:21 PM EST

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Then how can you say that's why I pay taxes? (none / 0)

You don't pay taxes.  What exactly are you doing to justify the "benefits" that you enjoy as a citizen of the US? There is no free lunch.

If everyone must do it, is it forced?  Everyone has to pay taxes.  Everyone has to obey the law.  Everyone has to go to school until the age of 16.  Now everyone has to serve their community for two years.  What's wrong with that?

Why are you better than your neighbor?

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 07/30/2010 11:04:55 PM EST

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Umm... (none / 0)

Perhaps you should read up, you will notice I am not the guy who went on about how paying taxes is his civic duty and nothing else. I am a different person. Wrong person.

My position is that so long as you cover peoples needs, the economy is structured in a way where most jobs benefit people, the majority of people will do their part to help society WITHOUT it being forced. 

As for justifying the benefits i receive, same thing applies to me as all poor people. Were not dicks so we are going to help regardless of people returning the favor. The government covered my insurance for a long time, and is now paying for my schooling, but I will attempt to return the favor when i am on my feet, as it should be for anyone.

You wouldn't be to progressive if you want to bash on the poor, especially when they are getting schooled thanks to the social programs we support to get on my feet. 

As for my neighbor, I don't want them forced either. And I expect they will also do their part to benefit society with out your fascist ideas.

by Maghetti21 on 07/31/2010 05:05:57 AM EST

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Call it fascist.. I call it fair. (none / 0)

Everyone is the great leveler.  If we were a socialist society everyone would do it as a matter of principle.  Since we are a capitalist society the rich pay someone to do the dirty work.  If everyone has to do it, that means the rich too.

Our wars are being fought largely by minorities because the free traders that own all the corporate stock profited by offshoring the jobs of minorities.  No, to be fair it has to be 100%, rich and poor alike.  Otherwise we are just a serving class to the rich.

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 07/31/2010 06:39:30 AM EST

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H.R. 5741 Universal National Service Act = Mandatory Military Service?? | 39 comments (39 topical, 0 hidden)