This service is not just military.  Those who do not want to be militarized will serve in another capacity.  The country needs soldiers, but it also needs a whole lot more.

You can't say I paid my taxes so I have no obligations.  Citizenship is much more than that.  I assume you were sleeping in civics class.

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 07/29/2010 03:22:56 AM EST

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more anti democratic and authoritarian than forced service in ANYTHING. Forcing people to serve in any job for the state is the sort of thing wars should actually be fought over if they have to be. This is the sort of policy I expect from a fascist. You can take that authoritarian nonsense and shove it up your ass.

by Maghetti21 on 07/29/2010 09:01:07 PM EST

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where the only thing people value is money.

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 07/30/2010 03:01:23 AM EST

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I hate money, it is the least of my concern. I right now am as poor as possible. No job, in debt from college, with less than 20$ left until i finish college. I do care about civil service, just not FORCED civil service. The forced part is where you go from agreement into my perceiving fascism.

by Maghetti21 on 07/30/2010 07:01:21 PM EST

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You don't pay taxes.  What exactly are you doing to justify the "benefits" that you enjoy as a citizen of the US? There is no free lunch.

If everyone must do it, is it forced?  Everyone has to pay taxes.  Everyone has to obey the law.  Everyone has to go to school until the age of 16.  Now everyone has to serve their community for two years.  What's wrong with that?

Why are you better than your neighbor?

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 07/30/2010 11:04:55 PM EST

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Perhaps you should read up, you will notice I am not the guy who went on about how paying taxes is his civic duty and nothing else. I am a different person. Wrong person.

My position is that so long as you cover peoples needs, the economy is structured in a way where most jobs benefit people, the majority of people will do their part to help society WITHOUT it being forced. 

As for justifying the benefits i receive, same thing applies to me as all poor people. Were not dicks so we are going to help regardless of people returning the favor. The government covered my insurance for a long time, and is now paying for my schooling, but I will attempt to return the favor when i am on my feet, as it should be for anyone.

You wouldn't be to progressive if you want to bash on the poor, especially when they are getting schooled thanks to the social programs we support to get on my feet. 

As for my neighbor, I don't want them forced either. And I expect they will also do their part to benefit society with out your fascist ideas.

by Maghetti21 on 07/31/2010 05:05:57 AM EST

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Everyone is the great leveler.  If we were a socialist society everyone would do it as a matter of principle.  Since we are a capitalist society the rich pay someone to do the dirty work.  If everyone has to do it, that means the rich too.

Our wars are being fought largely by minorities because the free traders that own all the corporate stock profited by offshoring the jobs of minorities.  No, to be fair it has to be 100%, rich and poor alike.  Otherwise we are just a serving class to the rich.

Don't waste your vote, vote Green or Independent in the next election.

by mcamelyne on 07/31/2010 06:39:30 AM EST

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