Peace Deal in Iraq: Is this what we've been looking for?

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The demands of the 1920 Brigade sound reasonable enough. They stop fighting us, and we stop fighting them, as well as compensate them for loved ones killed and property destoryed, and re-allow them into the military and government.

Since many of the insurgent leaders where former military commanders who were foolishly made unemployed by the knee jerk reactions of the interim government, this sounds reasonable.

Former Baathists were only Baathists to get benefits from Saddam, who can no longer weild power over them.

Such a treaty sounds like a way of weakening the overall insurgency and cooling the flames of civil war.

And as for the 2 year timetable, well that should be enough time to set up an army. Long enough to organize, short enough to light a fire under the Iraqi government's ass.

After all, if we offer to stay forever then the Iraqi army will never achieve combat readiness, and we will have to stay forever.

Unless that is all part of the PNAC plan.

Your thoughts on this offer?

P.S Keep in mind, we agree to stop fighting them, but if they attack us, then the deal is off and we come down on them like a ton of bricks.

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I respect rebels, not jihadists (none / 0)
This might surprise a few people, but I have no problem smoking the peace pipe with, or even extending amnesty to, Iraqi insurgents.

My ancestors were offered them same terms in 1865 at the end of the War of Northern Agression. We southerners understand and respect the concepts of civil insurrection and protecting your homeland. 

But let me be perfectly clear, there will be peace no with fundamentalist islamo-fascists jihadists. These terrorists will never accept our right to practice religious beliefs other than Islam. They must be hunted down, rooted out, and dispatched to allah with extreme predjudice.

by KenTX on 06/29/2006 02:04:00 AM EST

Al-Quida is not part oh 1920 Brigade (none / 0)
Ken, please try to understand that the members of 1920 Brigade, the ones making this offer, are not Al-Quida.

Al-Quida has not yet hinted at a willingness to negotiate, and neither have any other foreign terror groups.

The 11 groups that came forth are Sunnis, local Iraqis, many of whom had cushy jobs in the army or government and were kicked out because they were members of the Baath party.

Unless people stop pretending as if all insurgents are terrorists who are obsessed with jihad, there will never be peace.

When we find members of terror groups, then yes kill them all.

But killing Iraqi insurgents will only cause others to rise in their place to avenge the deaths of their families and friends.

The US military has already admitted that it will never be able to solve the insurgency problem with force, this is the reason why.

If Insurgent groups are willing to end the bloodshed, in exchange for not being hunted and a promise of US withdrawl in 2 years, then the US must seriously consider this.

After all, imagine how much easier it would be for the Iraqi's to raise a ture army with 11/24 Insurgent groups out of the picture.

by adamg on 06/29/2006 03:25:21 AM EST

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game rules (none / 0)
"Ken, please try to understand that the members of 1920 Brigade, the ones making this offer, are not Al-Qaeda."

I completely understand. Please take another look at my post.

It says that I will make peace with Iraqis insurgents. but I will never make peace with jihadists.

After the Iraqi Sunnis agree to lay down their arms, American liberals will be shocked to learn how many foreign jihadists we are fighting in Iraq.

by KenTX on 06/29/2006 12:52:30 PM EST

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"peace no!" (none / 0)
LOL Ken. OK, go dispatch them. Good luck.

by jessejace on 06/29/2006 05:56:39 AM EST

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thanks for your attention (none / 0)
"peace no!"

The old forum format allowed us to edit already-posted comments. I was able to cover my mistakes, which are numerous. Hey, I type fast, and errors occur.

Luckily, JesseKelsey Grammar-Police is accustomed to grading the papers and looking for spelling mistakes and the like.

If I ever commit a spelling, grammar, useage error, he will be there to highlight it.

Now logic is more of a challenge to Jesse.

by KenTX on 06/29/2006 01:38:25 PM EST

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more of your evasive action (none / 0)
Does this mean you're not going to dispatch the terrorists?

by jessejace on 06/29/2006 10:14:47 PM EST

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don't type faster than you can think (none / 0)
This seems like a good time to ask you something that's been bugging me for a while: If I'm so logically impaired, why waste so much of your precious energy arguing with me? I obviously pose no intellectual threat to you (unless you're THAT insecure about your difficulties with written English). And as a pre-emptive strike against nonsense, I reject any lame Obi-Wan Kenobi bullshit about how you're trying to make a positive impression on my young mind.

by jessejace on 06/29/2006 10:30:23 PM EST

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Zen Ken (none / 0)
"I reject any lame Obi-Wan Kenobi bullshit..."
 
Well then. This forces me to use another worn out analogy.

When you are able to snatch the pebble from the palm of Master Ken, then you are walking the path of conservatism, grasshopper.

by KenTX on 06/30/2006 06:20:09 AM EST

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mr. grasshopper to you (none / 0)
Dodge noted. Keep your stupid pebble.

by jessejace on 06/30/2006 09:24:01 AM EST

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to you mr. hassgropper (none / 0)
Noted dodge your stupid keep pebble.

by Twba on 06/30/2006 09:50:12 AM EST

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Seems so logical (none / 0)
Rumsfeld:
"The goal is not to trade something off for something else to make somebody happy, the goal is to succeed," he said

Working out peace terms with iraqi insergents seems so logical it's not suprising that the administration want's nothing to do with it.  In order to end a "War" you have to provide the oposition a way out.  Insisting on killing or imprisoning anyone who took arms against you is not a viable result.  No other war has ever ended on such terms.  Aparently no one in the adminstration knows a damn thing about military history. 

by alphasigmookie on 06/29/2006 10:28:37 AM EST

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Iraq (none / 0)
Since many of the insurgent leaders where former military commanders who were foolishly made unemployed by the knee jerk reactions of the interim government, this sounds reasonable.

Most of the regular forces wisely disbanded during the initial days of the invasion. It was the irregular Fedayeen that hung together and put up a fight. The interim government had little choice but to acknowledge that the military had already disbanded of its own accord.

The demands of the 1920 Brigade sound reasonable enough. They stop fighting us, and we stop fighting them, as well as compensate them for loved ones killed and property destoryed, and re-allow them into the military and government.

I would ask that individuals lay down their arms and pledge allegiance to the new democratic Iraq. I would offer no financial compensation for deaths and damages that occurred during an insurrection that was the result of the guerrillas' willingly taking up arms in the first place. Liberty is compensation enough.

by Twba on 07/01/2006 05:53:17 AM EST

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