09/28/2006 11:12:55 PM EST

Bye bye, Miss American Pie....

posted by MedfordTim

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</h3>Mark your calenders. Today we, in the form of our elected representation, betrayed all who have come before, every life given for Liberty and American values, every drop of blood shed in defense of the Constitution. Lady Liberty's torch has dropped, Justice took off the blindfold and discarded the scales, and Uncle Sam was last seen hunched over and sobbing.

We have had Black days in our history, too many betrayals by the people we trust. This may prove to be the one which makes others pale by comparison.

With these words, America officially dies...

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    SEC. 7. TREATY OBLIGATIONS NOT ESTABLISHING GROUNDS FOR CERTAIN CLAIMS.


    (a) In General- No person may invoke the Geneva Conventions, or any protocols thereto, in any habeas or civil action or proceeding to which the United States, or a current or former officer, employee, member of the Armed Forces, or other agent of the United States, is a party, as a source of rights in any court of the United States or its States or territories.

    (b) Geneva Conventions Defined- In this section, the term `Geneva Conventions' means--

      (1) the Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field, done at Geneva August 12, 1949 (6 UST 3217);

      (2) the Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded, Sick, and Shipwrecked Members of the Armed Forces at Sea, done at Geneva August 12, 1949 (6 UST 3217);

      (3) the Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, done at Geneva August 12, 1949 (6 UST 3316); and

      (4) the Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, done at Geneva August 12, 1949 (6 UST 3516).
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Bye bye, Miss American Pie.... | 25 comments (25 topical, 0 hidden)
She died of a broken heart (none / 0)
Welcome to Third World Land

by MedfordTim on 09/28/2006 11:15:13 PM EST

is that the worst part? (none / 0)
I'm not even sure this is the worst part.  What about that part that may allow the President to deem any American citizen an enemy combatant and apprehend him or her without the usual judicial protections?  (I haven't read the bill, just about it.)

by yturks on 09/28/2006 11:39:08 PM EST

KenTX (none / 0)
Judas was a good friend too, ask any real Christian

by LORD FOUL on 09/29/2006 07:07:32 AM EST

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American citizens or foreigners? (none / 0)


Does the bill apply to American citizens or foreigners?

1) I was under the impression this was all about terrorists and foreigners.

2) The court can and does overrule ANYTHING it wants to.

by acroso on 09/28/2006 11:48:37 PM EST

acroso (none / 0)
What are you gonna do when they come for you. Don't worry though, with your opinions, you will be one of the last they comes for. Dawn of the 4th Reich

by LORD FOUL on 09/29/2006 07:10:31 AM EST

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I have not seen this discussed... (none / 0)
As pertains to prosecutions (or immunity given) for war crimes committed by US personnel (either civilian or military), international law provides that if a state is unwilling or unable to prosecute war crimes, those of its citizens and under its jurisdiction who commit such may still be prosecuted in by international tribunal regardless of whether that state has signed onto the ICC.  Just something to chew on with your breakfast. 

by nfc on 09/28/2006 11:55:28 PM EST

Geneva conventions (none / 0)
Terrorists are not part of a state so aren't included under Geneva conventions.

by acroso on 09/29/2006 12:04:04 AM EST

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acroso (none / 0)
How about not capitulating to the terrorists

History teaches us that torture of this type results in little reliable info

This is what they want, this builds sympathy to their cause.

This helps them recruit new members

This also causes us to lose our support from our allies.


In order to win we must turn the world against these criminals and their tactics.


Torture is a terrorists best friend

by LORD FOUL on 09/30/2006 08:35:56 AM EST

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that photo (none / 0)
That photo is seriously disturbing

by acroso on 09/29/2006 12:28:08 AM EST

Huh? (none / 0)
Ken, Not sure I understand. You show a picture of a South Vietnamese army guy blasting the brains out of a civilian with his hands tied behind his back as an example of...what, exactly?

Oh, and Acroso? We are all terrorists now, feriner and homespun alike. Anyone, anywhere, American, non-American, can be picked up, thrown in jail, and left there to rot without ever having charges brought about and it is illegal to reference Geneva as a defense - if you are ever afforded the opportunity of a defense.

by MedfordTim on 09/29/2006 02:28:15 AM EST

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KenTX (none / 0)
Torture is a terrorist best friend.

Each one you torture results in hundreds more in their stead while causing us to lose the moral authority we once had

Didn't Christ teach you the uselessness of torture?

by LORD FOUL on 09/30/2006 08:38:33 AM EST

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overlooked this...tch! (none / 0)
"the right of Habeas Corpus, or the right to a jury trial."

I don't want to get your meaning wrong - are those two separate thoughts or are you describing Habeas as the right to a jury trial?

by MedfordTim on 09/29/2006 02:36:40 AM EST

Yet Another Closet Case Conservatve .. (none / 0)

Republican congressman Mark Foley of Florida resigned Friday, effective immediately, in the wake of questions about e-mails he sent to an underage male former page. ''I am deeply sorry and I apologize for letting down my family and the people of Florida I have had the privilege to represent,'' he said

In this case though I guess he is a pedophile and not a closeted gay.  

by LoneStarLiberal on 09/29/2006 04:31:47 PM EST

Foley (none / 0)
Wouldn't that make him both a closet gay and a pedophile?

Now after Delay waiting to long to retire and then this joker, we've basically given up two solid seats for free.

by acroso on 09/29/2006 09:28:25 PM EST

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Foley2 (none / 0)
Let me take some of that back. Maybe he's not a pedophile and just a homosexual? He's also not married so he's not an adulterator


Drudge report says "im not 18 till feb 23"
from the victim.

Also
"Age for Sexual Consent: 16
D.C. Code § 22-3001; D.C. Code § 22-3102"

So the guy was 17 he was sending messenges to..

by acroso on 09/29/2006 09:40:39 PM EST

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he was 16 (none / 0)
The kid was 16 and I doubt if he cared if he would have been 12. Drudge by the way is a self loathing gay that used to cruise the gay bars in Miami. What a piece of work he is.

by LoneStarLiberal on 09/30/2006 03:13:04 AM EST

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Curious... (none / 0)
...why do you think a person can't be a Gay Pedophile?

by MedfordTim on 09/30/2006 02:43:30 AM EST

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what difference does it make (none / 0)
A closet case gay man that has a healthy intrest in men is one thing. A man that seems to only be interested in pursuing young boys is another. I make a distinction between being merely gay and being a pedophile. I have no idea if a pedophile can be gay or not and frankly I dont care.

by LoneStarLiberal on 09/30/2006 03:07:08 AM EST

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Doesn't make any difference to me (none / 0)
I just wondered why you thought it had to be separate.

From my perspective, I refuse to refer to ANYONE as a pedophile when the "underage" person is over the age of 14. Wasn't all that long ago that 14 & up was "marryin'" age (true, true - mainly girls, but boys were gettin' hitched regularly at 16). How we can go to "perfectly acceptable" to "horrible sickness" in only a couple of generations is beyond me. (any guy over the age of 18 who says they have never seen a girl in the 14-17 range that didn't make them say "Damn!" is either blind or a liar.)

I also make a distinction between a pedophile and a predator. A person can go their whole life being attracted sexually to pre-teens without ever acting on their desires. I have no problem with them whatsoever. Predators, I have a BIG problem with.

by MedfordTim on 09/30/2006 03:49:08 AM EST

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KenTx (none / 0)
Typical Republican, any crime is o.k. if you're a Republican, any moral depravity is o.k. if you're a Republican

If he was a Dem all you would hear about is how this fag took advantage of his position to lure young boys into his homo-sexual perversion. They would be ranting about how he wasn't maried, which would be proof that he was really queer

by LORD FOUL on 09/30/2006 07:58:19 AM EST

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Oh, if you only knew the truth... (none / 0)
Never been to Thailand...sigh...

I was the complete stereotype of the moron who falls in love with the bar girl. First time getting laid (got close one time before, but that's a story better told when everyone's half drunk...embarrassing then, funny as hell now...), fell head over heels, eventually married her. She was 16 when I met her, but I had just turned 18 three months before. And she was the only sexual partner I had until I was 23 and we had split up. The full details would make you wretch in disgust at the wasted opportunities...

Quite pathetic, actually. One of the side effects of being a Romantic Idealist. "Romantic" in the literary sense - chivalrous, dedicated, faithful...basically all the traits found in a good dog.

No, the book on My Sexual Adventures While In The Service would be a very fast read. Wouldn't even be enough pages to have any stuck together.

I’ve gotta take Tim’s side on this issue. Strictly female. Strictly legal.

That's my "side"? I said that? Must've had more to drink than I thought. I certainly don't care about the gender preferences of an office holder, but I rather they be honest about it.

And "legal" is so ambiguous (in regards to "sex" laws), I don't know that I could define what "strictly" means.

I DO wish that politicians - Presidents, Congresspeople, elected Dog Catchers, whatever - would stop pooping where they eat and leave the damn subordinates alone.

But, thanks for the support...I think...maybe...huh?

by MedfordTim on 09/30/2006 10:54:09 AM EST

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