09/30/2006 09:11:16 PM EST

Down with the sickness?

posted by Sephirothii

Yesterday, that is to say Friday September 29, 2006 Congressman Republican Representative Mark Foley (R-FL) has resigned from the U.S. House in the wake of scandal over inappropriate e-mails he allegedly wrote to a 16-year-old male former Capitol page. 


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Ok, let me say this first off, this in it's own right is enough to go. "What?" what was first told to members of the Republican house. (and some knew as far back as 05) was that he was asking a page about how he was doing after Hurricane Katrina and asked to have a picture of the young man. NOW I want you to take JUST that for just a minute before we move on. Rep Foley... well read 
     Foley chaired the House caucus on missing and exploited children and was credited with writing the sexual-predator provisions of the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006, which Bush signed in July. A photo on the White House Web site shows Foley among those attending the signing ceremony.

CHAIRED the Caucus for missing and exploited Children. Meaning he was the one that saw the bills that were coming up to the House of Representatives and was to help push them through or let them die at his Feet. think of all the things he could have been doing to make sure that people like himself was NOT caught. What wraith have we brought on ourselves. 

But that isn't all. That isn't even the FUCKING truth about what he wrote to the Young Man. Read this, (http://abcnews.go.com/image s/WNT/02-02-03b.pdf) it's a pdf first off, and moreover I give a warning. I TIRED to read it all, and got so sick that I couldn't finish it. You will get the point just after a few lines.  Here are two DIFFERENT sources about the Congressman. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/th eblotter/2006/09/exclusive_ the_s.html) and (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id /15064810/)

But even that isn't all. Though normally I say a cover up in it's own right is pretty much worst than the crime. THIS is not a case of that. Yet there was a cover up Read about it here (http://www.washingtonpost.c om/wp-dyn/content/article/2 006/09/29/AR2006092901574_2 .html), here (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id /15063977/ ) and Here (http://abcnews.go.com/Polit ics/wireStory?id=2512011) 

Why is it that they had to hide this, protect this man that was praying on children. PRAYING on them. They left the fox to guard the chicken pen. But we shouldn't be surprised that they did that. Look here http://www.theyoungturks.co m/story/2006/9/29/231955/26 6, and here http://www.huffingtonpost.c om/stephen-elliott/how-mark -foley-represents_b_30639.h tml. They are always protecting their own. In a government for the people, of the people by the people. We have been bought and sold and before I am taken away for though crimes, (1984, http://www.huffingtonpost.c om/ellis-weiner/so-long-its -been-good-t_b_30595.html) I want you all to think about this. Think about how one man. Rep Foley, has cost the american people, your children in this country the feeling of being safe. That when a young person is given a GREAT honor to be a Page, someone that the Pages are suppose to look up to. Does this. Take the heart. If they are willing to hide someone that comes off (isn't proven and I will not say that he is unless criminal charges are brought and he is found guilty of) as pedophile. My anger is where he was, and what he was doing the work he was to be doing, and still having these kinds of talks with underage boys. We are falling. Rome is falling my Friends. Now more than ever we need stand up, and take charge of this. Take our Nation back. One word at time, One voice at a time. 

The GOP says that they are keeping Americans Safe. If they are keeping men like this in place where his crimes and his JOB in conflict. Then whom else are they hiding out. Who else is doing us harm under the protection of the GOP. I ask you, to JUST THINK ABOUT IT.
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Down with the sickness? | 25 comments (25 topical, 0 hidden)
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preying not praying, but that's ok.

by yturks on 09/30/2006 11:55:53 PM EST

"But he started it!" (none / 0)
Jesse- you're right, both sides deserve equal criticism.

by acroso on 10/01/2006 02:30:54 AM EST

KenTX (none / 0)
Republicans portray themselves as the LAW & ORDER, FAMILY VALUES party.

As a typical republican you cannot abide by the rules you so devoutly espouse.

If you claim to be the party of moral values you have a responsibility to live up to those values.

I have HAD ENOUGH of republicans portraying themselves as the party of Christ.





by LORD FOUL on 10/01/2006 10:17:43 AM EST

Studds (none / 0)
Never heard of him and if he committed crimes then he should be punished for them PERIOD, irregardless of party, religion or dogma.

Did I call you a Christian? I thought I called you a Nazi?


by LORD FOUL on 10/01/2006 02:19:27 PM EST

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and another thing (none / 0)
I am for real

I am a Christian that actually believes in the teachings of Christ, not the propaganda of a bankrupt party who talk of values and don't practice them.

Speaking of bankruptcy see the national debt lately

I can't speak for you but I believe in treating everyone the same unlike you who seem only interested in holding Dems accountable for Pubs mistakes

by LORD FOUL on 10/01/2006 02:28:52 PM EST

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HA! Another great laugh! (none / 0)
"What I do believe in is avoiding hypocricy. "

Okay, you stumped me. There is nothing I can add that could possibly be funnier than that.

Spoilsport!

by MedfordTim on 10/01/2006 03:51:48 PM EST

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wtf? (none / 0)

Why is my belief system bankrupt?

 

Also, I've never heard of Gerry Studds, but I was right up there calling for the Freezer Cash Guy's removal from the House (Jefferson?  Jeffries?  Jeff something?), and he was a Dem. 

by jarett on 10/02/2006 10:26:02 PM EST

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Okay, I just read about Studds (none / 0)

So here's the thing: it's not so much the sex thing that bugs me.  It IS the inappropriateness of employer-employee relationship, especially with someone so much younger.

But MOST importantly, it is the Republican hypocrisy.  Republicans like to pretend they are the moral beacons of the country.  We Dems tend not to claim "perfect" sexual puritanism.  We tend to be permissive with sex - as long as you're not hurting anyone, rock on with your bad self.

The reason Foley is *SO* vindicating is because Republicans love to pass anti-homosexual legislation and advocate for causes that intrude into the bedrooms of Americans, and then they do shit like this. 

by jarett on 10/02/2006 10:29:16 PM EST

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BS (none / 0)
It seems in order for me to be outraged I would have know about it.

I just found out through a fellow blogger that Studds served in the 70s and had a relationship with a 17 yr old and was censured for it along with a Republican who had an affair with a 17 yr old female.

Am I supposed to be outraged by something that happened when I was in grade school?

I guess I should be mad at Eisenhower for cheating on his wife huh?

By the way I am not outraged at Foley. It is about just what I expect from a republican.

A child predator writes the law against child predators. How quaint

Next thing you'll tell me that there are gays in the Republican party. Oops Foley was talking to a male page, my bad.

Well how about this, the president signs into law, a law that he can break whenever he feels like it. Signing Statements how REPUBLICAN

by LORD FOUL on 10/01/2006 03:11:10 PM EST

Hate to do this, but... (none / 0)
I think I've just about enough of the Republican/Democrat "who's a bigger scumbag than whom?" debate.  While I understand that there are people on both sides that have chosen to make this a partisan debate, I, for one, am appalled at the politicization by everyone for this - not just people on this site, but everywhere.

C'mon, folks, this is not about politics, it's about sick effin' people!  No matter what party this guy belongs to, the reason why people suffered was first because of HIS sickness.  Politics is what made this worse than it is - the deceit is politics, not the sickness.  If we had government representatives looking out for the best interest of the people, this would have been dealt with long ago, but he still would have been a pedophile.  He is what he is.

So rather than debate why Democrats are hypocrites and how Republicans are evil, how about we debate how to deal with Congressional oversight on ethics?  Oh yeah, that's all in the Republican's control.  F*ck!

by TJD on 10/02/2006 03:27:35 PM EST

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Yes I am outraged (none / 0)
I am, when I heard that Studds was not put out when that was found out, I was outraged, but that was so long ago.
More over, HE DIDN'T chaired the House caucus on missing and exploited children. Also if you look at the laws then. The Male was legal, it hasn't been until the late 90's that laws were being changed. In NC, until I was in my mid-20's (I am 32 now) the age of concent (sp?) was 13.
However I am not saying it was right it wasn't... He took a place of power and abused it. I AM all about calling a spade a spade. as left wing as I am. I was cutting my teath on this place we call the beltway, not believing my party is right all the time.
However my point of pulling this out, of the 1000's of bs that as gone on was the fact that the abusive power used not only in Foley's case, but in the fact that this could have been alot worst but they didn't even try and stop him. They didn't pull him from the caucus. They didn't get him help. That is like having a junkie be the drug czar. That is what makes me sick.

by Sephirothii on 10/01/2006 03:48:49 PM EST

calling all studds (none / 0)
Just make sure to note that good ole ken forgot to mention that when Studds got censured, a Republican got censured too (for having an affair with a 17yr old girl).

Selective memory it's a Republican trait

by LORD FOUL on 10/01/2006 03:55:11 PM EST

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I have (none / 0)
At least she was a she. We all know Republicans don't like gays

by LORD FOUL on 10/02/2006 08:19:35 AM EST

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Conservative Lies as Usuall (none / 0)

You were not outraged by Gerry Studds." what a vapid and ineffectual argument. How do you know if anyone in this forum wasn’t outraged by Studds...I certainly was. Not that you asked…at least 28% of his constituents though he should resign.

 
You should try recent history...here are the parts you omitted..."  The House voted to censure Studds in July 1983. ( the affair took place in 1973) Although there was some adverse reaction in his district, a poll of registered voters conducted by the Quincy, Massachusetts Patriot Ledger revealed that 65 percent favored his remaining in office while only 28 percent thought that he should resign and 7 percent expressed no opinion.

 
“After the censure vote Studds held a press conference with the page and admitted to a relationship. They each firmly stated that what had gone on in their bedroom was their business, and absolutely no one else's.”

Oh by the way…your Republican buddy Dan Crane was censured for sex with an underage female during the session Studds was censured. Where’s you outrage about that?

Typical of conservative hypocrisy and lies.

by DeCee on 10/02/2006 11:54:43 AM EST

What a lame response this is (none / 0)

So the lame Republican response to the lame pervert is that some lame Democrat did the same kind of lame shit 20 years ago. Actually, it's much worse than you're letting on.   They were warning the pages about him (well, the REPUBLICAN pages, anyway) years before this broke.  So clearly they knew what he was.  You really don't even need to hear anything else to draw conclusions here.  For these guys, it wasn't about whether he was a potential page-molester, it's what kind of damage would busting him do to the party.  This is America's basic problem today - these party hack assholes who don't ever consider anything but power ramifications for their party.  If people who run the country don't begin to put country ahead of party we're simply all fucked.   Jesus Christ how I hate the goddamned political parties in this country.

by bfaul on 10/02/2006 01:57:40 PM EST

1983? (none / 0)

Hey Ken,

I was 15 in 1983 and I lived in Massachusetts. I'm sure I heard about it because my Dad is a "real" Republican, but I sure don't remember it.

I'm glad you do tho and can set us all straight. So to speak. Glad to see that you are expressing your outrage at both men accordingly.

Did he run on  a platform of family values and child protection?

by jamesd on 10/02/2006 10:41:22 PM EST

Say what? (none / 0)
"When Republican leadership learned about the content of the text messages, they immediately demanded the resignation of Mark Foley."

I cry "Bullll-shiiit!" Mark Foley resigned before any of the leadership had their coffee Friday morning. They found out the same way we did, through a letter read by the S-O-A in Congress because the coward cut-and-run instead of facing the public, just like Tom DeLay. Republicans...they talk tough, but they "meow" even louder...

by MedfordTim on 10/03/2006 01:27:54 AM EST

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WHAT?!!? (none / 0)
When Republican leadership learned about the content of the text messages, they immediately demanded the resignation of Mark Foley.
Prior to this revelation, Foley was considered a harmless, “nice guy”.

They knew about it Months before. No one asked for it until it was going to come out on it's own. If no one would have found out, he would have still be preying on children all the time acting as the protector. Don't give me that crap.

by Sephirothii on 10/03/2006 09:50:05 AM EST

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2006 (none / 0)
What you don't realize about Gerry Studds was he didn't sleep with female page until she was 18! That makes her a consenting adult! I guess shame on the democrats for not firing a Member of Congress for a relationship between 2 consenting adults!

by demzrule on 10/03/2006 06:22:41 AM EST

Demz.... (none / 0)
Whoever you're listening to is obviously getting their "facts" from Acrosa. He's the only other one I know who could get so many things wrong in one paragraph.


It really helps to get a couple of things right in an argument...this is like handing Cheney a shotgun and a beer while you're Quail hunting...

by MedfordTim on 10/03/2006 08:33:48 AM EST

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Selective Memory and Factually Challenged (none / 0)

Selective Memory-Factually Challenged

Oh ken...a weak argument to be sure: When Republican leadership learned about the content of the text messages, they immediately demanded the resignation of Mark Foley.

Prior to this revelation, Foley was considered a harmless, “nice guy”.

Your fellow travelers at the Washington Times.... 

 

"The pro-Republican Washington Times called on Hastert to resign in an editorial in today's edition. The paper wrote that Hastert either ``was grossly negligent for not taking the red flags fully into account and ordering a swift investigation'' of Foley or ``deliberately looked the other way in hopes that a brewing scandal would simply blow away.''

 

I randomly chose a newspaper editorial...one of many on the web this is typical : 

"Shouldn't that have raised a red flag? It did, actually, with Rep. Thomas Reynolds, R-New York, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee. Trouble is, he didn't raise the red flag very high.

Reynolds, who is leading the effort to maintain the GOP majority in the House, acknowledges that he knew months ago about "over-friendly" e-mails Foley sent to a 16-year-old Louisiana boy. Reynolds said he immediately brought the matter to the attention of House Speaker Dennis Hastert.

Hastert defends his apparent lack of follow-through by insisting the "over-friendly" e-mails were not sexually explicit. That's an unconvincing explanation because whatever the messages said -- one of them was a request for the boy's photo -- was enough to make the former page complain about it to a GOP source. Hastert didn't call for an investigation until additional lurid reports about Foley surfaced Friday.

Your Republican buddy Dan Crane was censured for sex with an underage female during the session Studds was censured. Where’s you outrage about that? Did you call for his resignation or try to get the Page's phone number.

You repeatedly attribute the motives and actions of one Democrat to all Democrats where as you selectively distance yourself  on the inconvenient issues from the Republicans to avoid the same comparisons by your critics.

Its called hypocrisy

by DeCee on 10/03/2006 08:10:24 AM EST

emails (none / 0)
This story is going to drag on forever and throughout the midterms.

Those emails need to be made public so everyone knows exactly what Hastert saw and knew.

by acroso on 10/03/2006 08:42:33 AM EST

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"To Catch a Predator" (none / 0)
All I have to say about this whole foley thing is that i'm supprised he never ended up in a room face to face with Chris Hansen from MSNBC's "to catch a predator".

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id /15066391/

by alphasigmookie on 10/03/2006 02:06:02 PM EST

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