01/25/2007 07:38:19 PM EST

an interesting thought

posted by Trey

Abortion is kinda like child sacrifice

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Yes there is that word that makes teeth grind like John Kerry and John Edwards.

Abortion is indeed very much like childsacrifice. That word just hides behind pro choice and abortion.

There are quite a few reasons women choose to have abortions. Money, rape, and just not wanting a child for their own personal reasons.

Those are just the first three things that I think of when talking about abortion.

When a couple or a woman have an abortion for financial reasons they are choosing money over a living human. So they sacrifice their child to the god of money.

Rape is a little trickeier because you sympathize with the victim and hate the villain and you don't blame them for wanting to have an abortion. So out of spite and hatred for the man that raped them and child is sacrificed to the god of hate.

And then there are those women that get pregnant by accident and say "oops. That wasn't part of my plan and I don't want a child." So out of selfishness and not wanting to have the responsibility a child gets sacrificed to the god of greed.

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I'm back. Though I'm not sure for how long.

by Trey on 01/27/2007 12:30:55 AM EST

And oddly enough... (none / 0)
...still rehashing the same ol' crap. (take a look at that third one agin. I think Gula or Superbia might be a better fit.

When a couple or a woman have an abortion for financial reasons they are choosing money over a living human. So they sacrifice their child to the god of money.

So...they're sacrificing their kid to the Republican gawd?

I bet it also makes your teeth grind whenever you remember that one of the Seven Virtues is "Liberality."

by MedfordTim on 01/27/2007 02:39:41 AM EST

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I like hashbrowns and eggs. (none / 0)
Well since you didn't have anything important to add or anything intelligent for that matter, I'm going to say: Lets go baby killing.

by Trey on 01/27/2007 11:37:02 AM EST

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lets make a deal! (none / 0)
Hey Trey, I've got a deal for you.  I've offered a similar deal to other anti-abotionists, but none have accepted it, but i think you might since you seem like you might be a bit more reasonable.  Here is the deal:

Us heathens will& nbsp;allow you to outlaw nearly all forms of abortion, if you (and all other anti-abortionists) accept the following terms.

You guys will allow free, government paid for, birth control on demand to anyone who requests it including the morning after pill.

You guys still allow abortion in the case of rape or to save the mothers life.

You guys promise to pay for all medical costs associated with child birth for unwanted children.

You guys promise to adopt every child that is born to a mother who either cannot or does not want to care for it. 

We don't care how you decide who gets to adopt the crack babies as long as they get adopted and i don't have to.  Same thing goes for paying the medical costs.  Maybe you guys can do baby raffles and take extra collections at church.

by alphasigmookie on 01/27/2007 12:37:01 PM EST

copy (none / 0)
No doubt that is html from another page that you copied in pasted from. You should post your own ideas.

by acroso on 01/27/2007 01:36:03 PM EST

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Pot! Pot! (none / 0)
It's the kettle calling....

by MedfordTim on 01/27/2007 02:55:50 PM EST

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Deal or No Deal. Hmmm. (none / 0)
No deal. No evil will be repayed with evil. I don't care what the circumstance, you can't justify killing babies in anyway. Abortion in the second Holocaust in which babies are systematically killed. Except more than 40,000,000 have died.

by Trey on 01/27/2007 09:13:22 PM EST

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No evil will be repayed with evil? (none / 0)
BULLSHIT! You cheer every single time some fool blows up an abortion center and cheer louder and longer when someone is killed. WTF is to you anyway? And just exactly how many unwanted babies have you adopted? Practice what you preach.

by Pritch on 01/27/2007 09:58:20 PM EST

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Hmm...uh-oh... (none / 0)
It never really occurred to me before...

I've said the same sort of thing many times myself - why don't those who oppose abortion for any reason (except blah blah blah) adopt, adopt, adopt?

For some reason, reading your post made me step back and think, "Wait a minute! Do we really want these fanatic assholes to be raising all those kids?"

Scary, huh?

by MedfordTim on 01/27/2007 10:20:09 PM EST

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Good call (none / 0)
But not to worry-the standards for adopting are such that most of the hate-mongors don't even qualify. Something in the questionairre about 'loving families'. I guess that's why so many get 'em from China or India. The Governor of Utah got himself one of each. Those countries must have lower standards. 

 

by Pritch on 01/27/2007 10:50:30 PM EST

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adoption (none / 0)
Well you either choose to give you child up for adoption or you choose to abort it. Most liberals choose abortion because then they don't have to know there is a child out there and they don't want to have to go through labor etc. It's a convenience issue for the liberals.

by acroso on 01/28/2007 02:48:05 AM EST

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Hmmmm.... (none / 0)
Questions.

How can something die that has never lived?

If "No evil will be repayed with evil," what words of consolation would you give to survivng Iraqi family members of our Iraq misadventure? Or, don't you consider a war started on a lie "evil" enough? (And to anyone whose knee is spasming right now - the "evil" is at the top, the ones giving the orders. NOT the troops on the ground who expect their Government and Commander in Chief to know what the hell they're doing and not lie to them.) Think about it. If al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden are "evil" for killing 3000 people, how "evil" does it make a country responsible for (at the very least) more than 200,000 civilian deaths? What about their living, breathing, eating, pooping, crying, and laughing babies?

You, like others who claim the "righteous" stance in the abortion debate, have a huge problem with women getting some cells scraped yet support actions which decimate families, villages, countries. How do you reconcile those concepts? Or do you even try?

Take away the actual guns, bullets, bombs...what about the 17,000 children (who) die every day from hunger-related diseases in Iraq? What do you have to say to the mothers of those "post-birth abortions?" Or the mothers of the 6 million children who starve to death worldwide every year...do you think maybe we could have used the 300 Billion dollars we've wasted in Iraq to provide some much needed relief? 


by MedfordTim on 01/27/2007 10:15:37 PM EST

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And yet you also justify abortion (none / 0)
We are essentially the same when it comes down to being human.


So you would deny that you lived as a fetus? But you were not dead either am I right? Afterall you can't be dead if you never lived.

Question: If you were allow a convicted killer out of jail and he killed many people and planted bombs in buildings, would that not qualify as mass destruction?


Those three thousand deaths were intentional and that's what makes them evil. But civilians getting caught in the battle is completely different. Any way you look at it though, taking another human life is still wrong. I wonder what goes through the mind of anyone who is about to kill someone they have never met. Because we live in a world where forgiveness is not acceptable and revenge is we have war.

I don't blame the government or the President for what is happening in Iraq. I blame the man that gassed kurds, created mass graves for political opposition and would send a man feet first into a woodchipper. I blame the so called soldiers that dress as civilians and fight like cowards. But no matter who I blame and who you blame it's all evil. Even blame itself is evil because nobody wants to take responsibility for what's going on. Instead of flying planes into our buildings they should have said what was bothering them. We did try diplomacy but that didn't work to well did it?


I don't claim any righteousness because I am not righteous. Doesn't abortion also decimate families? Infact it prevents them from ever happening.


If you honestly want to help end this war then quit second guessing the President and government. Did it ever occur to you that they may know something that we don't? Not everything is made public.


If you want to help the starving children of the world then do something. Start sending money to an orginization that goes to these nations and help's everyone instead of complaining about the problem.

by Trey on 01/28/2007 12:34:11 AM EST

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As usual, I can't get drunk enough to understand (none / 0)
Hey Trey, lemme ask you-if you could know then what you know now, if Saddam's ma had an abortion would you have been cool with it? You do realize that the gas used on the Kurds was purchased from us, right? WMDs? well yeah. All we had to do was look at our reciepts. Maybe there wasn't any reciepts. Maybe it was all done on Rummy's handshake. If only they had told us what was pissing them off. We could have diplomacitley told them that as long as we have two dimes to rub together Isreal gets one of them and get used to it. I certainly do hope that the President knows more about this than I do, because what I know now is enough to make me puke and I can't hardly stand knowing much more.

by Pritch on 01/28/2007 01:26:27 AM EST

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A rock and a hard place. No not really. (none / 0)
Knowing what I know now I still would not be cool with it. Even if it is Saddam. But I'm sure wouldn't mind being the executioner that sticks the needle in since you already enjoy killing babies. Am I right?



 

And yes I do realize that the gas used on the kurds was ours and the WMDs. But that never gave him the right to do what he did. At the same time that was stupidity on us for supporting him.

That depends on how much you think you know and how much you really know.



by Trey on 01/28/2007 02:43:57 AM EST

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Warning to readers... (none / 0)
This could get lengthy. This is like a Hobo Soup of wrong headed notions. If you get bored, it's okay.

Trey, Trey, Trey...

I'll start with the easy one.

"Those three thousand deaths were intentional and that's what makes them evil. But civilians getting caught in the battle is completely different."

Please refer to the other thread in which I comment upon consistency and hypocrisy. This is a prime example of what I'm talking about.

"So you would deny that you lived as a fetus? But you were not dead either am I right? Afterall you can't be dead if you never lived."

No, Trey, a fetus is NOT alive. Until there is BIRTH, it is a parasite feeding off it's host. Your third sentence answers your second question. Pre-birth is non-existence, the same state as you are in after you die. These are the steps: You don't exist, you are born, you live, you die, you don't exist. The circle is complete.

"And yet you also justify abortion" 

I justify a person's inherent control over their own body. I don't like tatoos or piercings - but if a person decides it is right for them, who am I to tell them they're wrong? The ONLY thing you own in this world is yourself - Nobody can take you from you - you can only give yourself away. I see no reason to abdicate the decision making process to someone else.

"I don't blame the government or the President for what is happening in Iraq...We did try diplomacy but that didn't work to well did it?"

I didn't want to copy the whole paragraph.

Could Saddam Hussein have gassed those Kurds if the U.S. hadn't sold him the stuff to do it with? He also killed a million or so Iranians with it. We were all for it, then. Remeber that picture of Don Rumsfeld, smiling, shaking Saddam's hand after cementing the deal? We backed every play Saddam made right up until he invaded Kuwait. We are just as responsible for his monstrous activities as he was - we not only didn't STOP him, we ENCOURAGED him and SUPPLIED him. The blood you speal of him shedding stains our hands, too.

You think someone is a coward because he doesn't wear a "uniform" when he fights an invader? What does that make the Revolutionary War fighters? Were they terrorists? Did they not fight "fair" because they used guerilla tactics taught by Indians - hiding behind trees instead of marching into a hail of opposing rifle fire? (No, I am NOT equating our Revolutionary War fighters with al Qaeda. Focus on the CLOTHING aspect) I feel idiotic even pointing out this obvious truth to you. It's a ridiculous statement. The clothing one wears has NOTHING to do with the fight. Why in the world would they make it EASY to "get" them? Don't our troops wear body armor? (Well, those who HAVE body armor - it's on backorder) What would you think if someone called them cowards for protecting themselves? Do you think the "fair" thing to do would be to equip the "enemy" with body armor also? Give them a few tanks and cannons and helicopters to level the field? Pshaw!

If you do just the MINIMUM of research, you will discover that al Qaeda DID tell us "what they wanted." Repeatedly. They wanted American troops (AND their uniforms) out of Saudi Arabia - away from their Holy sites. But it wasn't until after we invaded Iraq that our troops were removed from S.A. - Oops! Too late for the WTC's! We DIDN'T try diplomacy, we tried to stiff-arm them into submission. How well did THAT turn out?

"The crusader army became dust when we detonated al-Khobar With courageous youth of Islam fearing no danger If (they are) threatened: The tyrants will kill you, they reply my death is a victory I did not betrayed that king, he did betray our Qiblah And he permitted in the holy country the most filthy sort of humans. I have made an oath by Allah, the Great, to fight who ever rejected the faith...

"Terrorising you, while you are carrying arms on our land, is a legitimate and morally demanded duty. It is a legitimate right well known to all humans and other creatures. Your example and our example is like a snake which entered into a house of a man and got killed by him. The coward is the one who lets you walk, while carrying arms, freely on his land and provides you with peace and security...

"The youths hold you responsible for all of the killings and evictions of the Muslims and the violation of the sanctities, carried out by your Zionist brothers in Lebanon; you openly supplied them with arms and finance. More than 600,000 Iraqi children have died due to lack of food and medicine and as a result of the unjustifiable aggression (sanction) imposed on Iraq and its nation. The children of Iraq are our children. You, the USA, together with the Saudi regime are responsible for the shedding of the blood of these innocent children. Due to all of that, what ever treaty you have with our country is now null and void...."

-Osama Bin Laden, "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places" 1996

Five YEARS before 9/11. How much clearer could he have been about what was getting his goat? Of course, this "jihad" was nonsense - he is not in the position to CALL a fatwa or jihad.

How would you and your friends react if, all of a sudden, a bunch of foreigners came and set up a military base right next to Liberty College? Think it might irritate you a tad? Think there are any Americans who might resent it enough to attack them?

"Doesn't abortion also decimate families? Infact it prevents them from ever happening."

I would imagine there are more than a few women who regret their decision enough to negatively affect their families, and undoubtedly some men who have discovered their wife got an abortion and left.

If you had stopped there, we could have found a minor patch of common ground, but then you ahd to add that last sentence and blow it.

Is a childless couple not a "family"? Do you think a child is necessary to the correctly define "family?" Is it fair for me to assume that you also think two people have to be married to be a "family?" Enough of that nonsense.

"If you honestly want to help end this war then quit second guessing the President and government. Did it ever occur to you that they may know something that we don't? Not everything is made public."

Hey, I'm on record of being right from the get-go about the consequences of this stupid invasion. I don't second guess - I figure it out ahead of time. It would be nice if the son of a bitch in the White House would do the same. Of course they know things I don't - and evidently, the reverse is true. All those things that George, Dick, Condi, et al. said "No one could have predicted..." about, I PREDICTED. (And a few million others did also) Don't forget, I have a few years of experience of living under duplicitous leaders. And I keep myself educated enough to know when they're handing out plates of bullcrap for us to digest. It's not so much what they hold back that's true - it's the bald faced lies they DO tell that make me - and should make YOU! - mad as hell. Two words that will NEVER let you down, Trey: Question Authority.

"If you want to help the starving children of the world then do something. Start sending money to an orginization that goes to these nations and help's everyone instead of complaining about the problem."

How do you know I DON'T? ( I don't, but YOU didn't know that) I guess you missed the point again. The problem ISN'T the starving children. The problem is that we would rather waste billions upon billions to wage unnecessary battles than use those riches to HELP people insted of DESTROYING them. Again, I refer to the other thread - which priority do YOU hold? Doing unto others as you would have them do to you or Doing unto others FIRST!

Finally...

Question: If you were allow a convicted killer out of jail and he killed many people and planted bombs in buildings, would that not qualify as mass destruction?

Answer: What the hell are you talking about? What's your point?

Phew! Sorry for the length. I would have written a shorter post but I didn't have time...

by MedfordTim on 01/28/2007 02:59:24 AM EST

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Advance the debate please (none / 0)

I said this before, but I really think it would do the pro-choice movement a lot of good to stop trying to trick the anti-choice movement into believing that abortion isn't a form of killing. 

Fetuses are a form of life.  Scientific study has yielded the conclusion that, if circumstances create a need for that life not to happen, pre-birth extermination of that life is the humane way to do it.  You cannot mince words and make abortion into murder, nor can you mince science and make a fetus into a parasite.  To do either is to attempt to create an analogy that betrays the topic.  It's like listening to two people argue over whether a fax machine is actually a photocopier or a telephone.

by OneHitKill on 01/28/2007 11:27:54 AM EST

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Gosh, sorry! (none / 0)
Didn't mean to tread on your sensibilities.

2 : an organism living in, with, or on another organism in parasitism
3 : something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return

Guess what that's a definition of?

You say, fetuso - I say, parasita. Let's call the whole thing...

by MedfordTim on 01/28/2007 02:14:29 PM EST

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Help me help you (none / 0)

Tim, I know what you're saying but this is not the line of reasoning I would pursue.  If you can't convince an anti-choicer that abortion is sometimes necessary, it seems pretty much a lost cause trying to convince them that a fetus could be categorized as a parasite.

My point is that, while I support a woman's right to choose, I don't think the debate can be won with vocabularial slight-of-hand.  It shouldn't even be necessary to tilt the debate on the definition of "life" or the true meaning of "killing."  Instead of saying "killing is wrong, so abortion must not be killing," pro-choicers should push "abortion is a form of killing which is sometimes necessary, so deal with it."  Put your argument that way and you'll have science on your side and no body -- NOT EVEN TREY! -- can stop you.

by OneHitKill on 01/29/2007 02:34:39 AM EST

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Thanks. (none / 0)
I know you mean well, and if I thought anything I said would ever influence them, I might be more circumspect in my terminology. They will never concede the notion of a person being in charge of decisions about their own body or that having an abortion is not a happy-go-lucky event in anyone's life.

And, trust me, "reason" rarely enters the picture when discussing anything with these (descriptive snarky adjective)s. You'll just make yourself nuts if you fall back on logic, reason, common sense, intellect, or Science. You're just begging for a bible verse to be tossed your way, because that is the only way they know how to respond. The people who don't ascribe a religious reasoning to their anti-abortion stance are very rare birds indeed.

But, then again, I truly don't believe that scraping some cells off the lining of a uterus is "killing" anything. No one need agree, I don't mind.

It shouldn't even be a debate. If they don't understand a person's sovereignity over their own reproductive system, there are probably a whole lot of other things they'd like to prohibit one from choosing. And they'll say it's for your own good...

But, thanks. I appreciate you caring enough to warn me.

by MedfordTim on 01/29/2007 04:36:23 AM EST

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Yup (none / 0)
and some of them stay that way well into their Thirties.

by MedfordTim on 01/29/2007 04:37:16 AM EST

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Tim do you remember Nixon's (none / 0)
"Secret Plan" for ending The War in Vietnam?

Does this statement remind you of anything?

"If you honestly want to help end this war then quit second guessing the President and government. Did it ever occur to you that they may know something that we don't? Not everything is made public."

If I recall Nixon also KNEW THINGS that we didn't. I remember that that led to bombing Cambodia "illegally" and a few other not so pleasant things before we achieved "Peace With Honor".

I realize Trey is young so he can't appreciate the irony of his making the same arguments that were trotted out in the last conflict, I'm just waiting for them to bring back the "Domino Theory".

Trey if you would like to use it, it demonstrates how if we allow one nation to fall to "insert current boogie man government here" then the entire region will collapse like a domino chain.

What's really sad is that Iraq was the one non Theocratic nation in the region and we overthrow it and now it looks like thanks to Shrub and his gang who can't IMAGINE ANYTHING,  WE are going to knock over the last domino and make the entire region a Theocracy. 

Trey being as you are such a "Patriot" I will remind you of the words of a great Republican President

Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiently or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else.
Theodore Roosevelt

and another learned man had this to say

Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel
Samuel Johnson

So support the president all you want, but please don't lecture others on how questioning his policies somehow is not good for the country. If you want to live were no one questions the government or it's leaders there are quite a few to choose from, I would suggest North Korea were the Great Leader is held in as high a regard as Republicans believe Shrub should be held, and anyone who questions "Great Leader" is dealt with exactly the way many Republicans wish those who disagree with Shrub should be dealt with.

Of course North Korea isn't the only place, Saudi Arabia, or any number of our Allies around the world have the same policies.





"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 01/28/2007 12:59:06 PM EST

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DO i? (none / 0)
I was leaving for Nam in under a week. I went against my instincts and voted for Nixon because of it. We weren't out for another three years and would have been longer if not for Congress doing it's job. (Thank you, Congress, for looking out for the troops when the President would rather play power games with our lives.) Then come to find out that his "secret plan" was the same one Johnson made before HE left office. Guess how many times I've voted for a Republican President since? (The closest I came was Bob Dole - but I voted Libertarian that year)

Far as the "Domino" theory, they HAVE been using it for the last couple of years via that silly letter they "found" talking about creating Moslem states from India to Europe - and it will surely happen unless we stay in Iraq and get the job done!!!

Kinda like telling a joke you heard as a kid to a kid of today. It's SOOO old, they hadn't heard it before. But older people should know the punchline by heart!

by MedfordTim on 01/28/2007 02:32:50 PM EST

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Your killing babies, you baby killing fucktard (none / 0)
I did a wikipedia search on abortion and I  leaned a little bit about the procedure.
 
It seems that depending on where the mother is in her pregnancy you can either have the baby sucked out with a vaccum or give it a lethal injection. I don't see how sucking a child out into a bag and throwing into a trash can or killing it with a punishment resereved for murderers is humane.

I wonder. Could you go through with an abortion? Could you in good concionce kill your own child before he/she sees the light of day?

"Is a childless couple not a "family"? Do you think a child is necessary to the correctly define "family?" Is it fair for me to assume that you also think two people have to be married to be a "family?" Enough of that nonsense."

A married couple can be considered family but they are not a family of their own or do not have a family of their own. They are just a branch of two other families with one name. If they want a family then they have children. Thats how new families are started. Am I right?

As far as being married to be a family goes it depends on how you who you would consider family that is outside your family. You can have a friend that you consider a brother or sister. I look up to my as if he is my older brother.

"How would you and your friends react if, all of a sudden, a bunch of foreigners came and set up a military base right next to Liberty College? Think it might irritate you a tad? Think there are any Americans who might resent it enough to attack them?"

Makes you wonder why Clinton didn't do anything when he had the chance.


If the United States allowed the foreigners to do so I would be pissed but at the same time it was invited and so I wouldn't do anything. If foreigners did it without permission then I would off the chart. I would be angry but I wouldn't resort to terrorism to get them out. But since the Saudi's allowed it, I see no problem. Basically all I read was: Everything bad that happens to us is America's fault. I say everything bad that happens to them is their own fault. Saddam had to be a bitch by not letting inspectors in until a few years ago. How long did he refuse to let the U.N. look for weapons? Thats what caused the sanctions on Iraq.

Like Osama even cared for the children of Iraq. He was just taking advantage of the situation.

How did we get on the subject of Iraq in an abortion forum?

by Trey on 01/30/2007 10:31:58 PM EST

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Hmmmm? (none / 0)
"I wonder. Could you go through with an abortion? Could you in good concionce kill your own child before he/she sees the light of day?"

What makes you think I haven't been in the situation?

by MedfordTim on 01/31/2007 12:24:16 AM EST

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Your posts are a wonderland of shame, Trey (none / 0)

"I don't see how sucking a child out into a bag and throwing into a trash can or killing it with a punishment resereved for murderers is humane."

Yeah, there's a lot you don't see.  How is giving ANYBODY a lethal injection humane?  What would be a humane abortion to you, Trey?  Pulling the fetus out with a gold-plated pipette and feeing it to a white tiger?  Get over the "ew, gross, I'm so sure" factor of it.  This is science, not Fear Factor.  Are you going to oppose cancer cure research because cancer sometimes affects the more "yucky" parts of the human body?

And don't challenge people with your "Could YOU abort your child?" question.  The last thing those clinics need is a sudden flood of customers who want to get abortions just to prove a point.

by OneHitKill on 01/31/2007 05:05:03 AM EST

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What does abortion have to do with Iraq? (none / 0)
Why are you obessing on abortion?

by Left Is Right on 01/31/2007 12:48:50 PM EST

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Answer is simple (none / 0)
If you were a Republican would you want to talk about Iraq??

by ProfRich on 01/31/2007 12:53:42 PM EST

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A one month old embryo (none / 0)
is not a baby.

Nice try, though.  Thanks for playing.

by jarett on 01/31/2007 05:34:35 PM EST

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