10/14/2007 03:55:17 PM EST

Washington Post Endorses Petraeus Surge Strategy

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Washington Post Endorses Petraeus Surge Strategy | 50 comments (50 topical, 0 hidden)
Yes a ringing endorsment (none / 0)
This doesn't necessarily mean the war is being won. U.S. military commanders have said that no reduction in violence will be sustainable unless Iraqis reach political solutions -- and there has been little progress on that front.

Well except for that one iddy, biddy, teeny, tiny problem.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 10/14/2007 07:59:28 PM EST

SSSHHHHH BB (none / 0)

Intelligent people are talking and you are being rude.

Why don't you go photoshop something. 

by z1p101 on 10/14/2007 09:46:30 PM EST

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So BB (none / 0)

You like pictures do you?

Take a look at these. 

Now those are not clumps of cells or fetuses either. What do you think that kid was doing 2 seconds before the top of his skull was blown off? Probably kicking a soccer ball around or something.

Now if you actually cared about children's lives or whatever it is that you talk about in your ...incoherent rants, you would be appalled by this and not talking all this gung ho BS that you always throw around about surrender in Iraq.

While we are on the subject of surrender in Iraq. Who will be be surrendering to? Who is it that will be defeating us? Al Qaeda perhaps? Here is an article written by a non neo con conservative that explains it all. It is probably above your usual reading level but I'm sure you could struggle through it.

So as far as I am concerned, you can take your hypocrisy, idiotic logic, pictures, threats, typos, foul mouth and questionnaire and shove them straight up your ass.

Call it brain food. 

by z1p101 on 10/14/2007 11:07:02 PM EST

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OK Mr Wizzard (none / 0)

"... But you are NOT a hypocrite... when you fein outrage over innocents killed in acts of war....but ridicule, deny, dismiss, mischaraterize the killings of pre-birth babies by the MILLIONS here in the U.S.?"

Show me where I "fein outrage over innocents killed in acts of war". I was just pointing out your hypocrisy. I ridicule you because you have lost your argument over and over again here. Also, how is the posting of Jarret's answer coming on your web site.

"I support our troops AND their missions."

Once again what are their missions. 

 

by z1p101 on 10/14/2007 11:26:49 PM EST

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You forgot Jarettard (none / 0)
I feel insulted.

by jarett on 10/15/2007 05:39:55 AM EST

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Baby steps toward civility (none / 0)
Don't discourage him.  He's on the road to self-improvement.

by OneHitKill on 10/15/2007 06:57:45 AM EST

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You're a strange person, Bytch (none / 0)

You sure are selective in your outrage.  You bounce up and down because some girl somewheres decides she can't afford a child or doesn't want a child or doesn't want a child concieved in rape or by her father or brother or because she's a crack addict or because she's just a total moron and you work yourself up into a righteous rage for some unformed fetus that never experiences consciousness and isn't wanted by its own mother.

Yet somehow it's not that big a deal when some boy or girl  or man or woman, son or daughter, mother or father, sister or brother who has built a complete spinal cord and a brain and a life, and is desperately wanted by the people who bore them, is killed as a sideshow to a sideshow war just to give you a little warm fuzzy (if false) sense of security (we're fighting them over there, blah, blah, blah,...).

It seems almost certain to me that we're going to get hit again no matter what we do.  Why do I think this?  Because terrorism is really an issue of motivation, not of weapons.  Weapons can always be had if you're sufficiently motivated.  If they had to, terrorists could simply beat Americans to death with a rock one at a time whenever they catch them alone and unarmed.  Stop for a second and remember that they killed nearly 2,700 with nothing but box cutters.

When these people, more highly motivated than ever, finally get to us again will you still feel that all those lives lost, both American and Iraqi, were worth your temporary feeling of security?

by bfaul on 10/15/2007 12:53:01 PM EST

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Most conservatives dont think or like thinking (none / 0)
That's your problem . You are not that intelligent.

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 10/15/2007 02:15:28 PM EST

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A word of advice (none / 0)

When you use words like, fucktard or btard or lefttard or whatevertard, you're tipping people off that you're a certain kind of right-wing idiot.

I'm assuming you don't mean to impart that particular message and would prefer not to make that piece of information about yourself obvious to a new poster here, at least till they've read enough examples of your posts to arrive at the conclusion naturally.

Why make it easy for them?

by bfaul on 10/15/2007 02:48:12 PM EST

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What you say? (none / 0)

All your base are belong to us?

"Do you think my nick goes unbutchered or would go un-butchered if I didn't used the tactic? Hardly."

Just stop butchering the English language.

by z1p101 on 10/15/2007 04:00:41 PM EST

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Oh (none / 0)

don't be so snippy.

And do you always do these on a blackberry in a moving vehicle? Because you are always butchering the language. Are you ESL?

by z1p101 on 10/15/2007 04:12:43 PM EST

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a couple if words hardly make a difference (none / 0)
You think the use of pejoratives like fuctard make a difference ?  Read the REST of the post lol   .  It is what it is

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 10/15/2007 05:52:43 PM EST

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Definitions (none / 0)
I think I showed you how embryos do not meet the requirements for "organism" in some ways.  Either way, it's irrelevant, as organisms that are human in nature are not necessarily people -- much like the body of Terri Schiavo was not a person when they finally let her die, much like Baby K was not a person (or even correctly called a "baby").

but because "conciousness" is not  required for "personhood" by our laws or our Constitution

This is only because lawmakers are uncomfortable asking and answering important philosophical and bioethical questions.  The Baby K case showed us that.

by jarett on 10/15/2007 05:54:17 PM EST

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Nope (none / 0)
"No... something can't begin after it has already begun" and "No....human beings don't undergo metamorphosis during any period of their life cycle"

Both of those answers are 180 degrees out of phase with your basic premis.

Wrong.

Biological metamorphosis is not required for there to exist a line of demarcation for personhood.

by jarett on 10/15/2007 10:21:16 PM EST

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Exactly (none / 0)
"and why should I (or anyone else) adopt your "line of demarcation" and forget about our own?"

Exactly, no one here is changing their minds about anything that has to do with this subject.

So why don't you do something constructive and take this argument and your questionnaire to another forum and try to convince them using all your charm and tact.

BB, just change the station on this one because what you are selling here, no one is buying.

by z1p101 on 10/16/2007 12:20:21 AM EST

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ButtBang Bombast (none / 0)

TYT is great. I watch the news in the morning to see the result of 12 years of "conservative" new ideas leading us down the road to oblivion. I can almost always depend on some idiotic self aggrandizing comment by BBBlowButt.

So lets see some inconsistencies:

Sorry, Zipptard (none / 0)

... Tinytard... or whoever you are.  I'm not as much here to change anyones mind.... as I am here to refine my own ability to present my own perspective and to identify the wholes, hypocrisies and inconsistancies in yours and others.

If someone changes their perspective during all that... it's a bonus. But it's not why I am here.


Gotta run! by BytchBang on 10/16/2007 06:27:29 AM PDT

 

Really? What a load....

My last post (none / 0)

Between the gutter trash threads (like this one) and, OneHitKill's unrelenting personal attacks, and the lack of consideration of information (such as KenTX and TWBA's claims that our rights aren't distributed to us by the government) and, Dave's (yturk's) indifference to people so many of the constructive criticisms of this forum and, given the treasonous and seditious nature of the TURKS themselves, I am leaving you all to rot in this non-productive cesspit of human decay.

They say the definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over while expecting a different outcome.The truth is short and simple. There is no reasoning with un-reasonable people.

by BytchBang on 02/09/2007 11:09:14 AM PDT 



"Freedom is important to Republicans as long as someone else pays for it on the battlefield and on April 15th."

by MRFred on 10/16/2007 09:34:25 AM EST

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Well (none / 0)

If you still hae not figured out that I am not Tiny, then you are just a retard. Actually I have only used one nick here so say hi to Chuzlife for me.

If you are really just looking for self-gratification, I suggest you go back to playing with your puppet.

Tug away BB. 

by z1p101 on 10/16/2007 10:11:54 AM EST

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I am the pacemaker (none / 0)

I've spent a lot of time trying to convince BB that he wore out his welcome a couple hundred insults ago and that he would be well advised to fade away rather than burn out.  But now that he has proven he has the ability to sit at the grown-ups table (even if only briefly), I think it would help a lot if you didn't go out of your way to rile him up, z1p101. 

Let's see where this goes.  If it can be proven that my zero-tolerance policy toward BytchBang was too stringent, I think it's only fair that we set a good example for him to follow.

Remember when just being right was enough for us to win debates around here?  We could go back to those days without giving up a single thing. 

by OneHitKill on 10/16/2007 11:02:44 AM EST

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Oh (none / 0)

do I have to?

I was trying to be nice in my Exactly post. OK maybe I was being a little snide but you see what happens.

Alright, I'll try it your way and see how long it lasts. 

by z1p101 on 10/16/2007 11:41:21 AM EST

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Not done yet (none / 0)
I agree in part with your position, but I still disagree strongly with your penchant for the "-tard" suffix and other belittling turns of phrase that have come to be known as your hallmarks.  Show Mr. Z1P the same capacity for civility that you've shown me, and you greatly increase your chances of becoming a valuable member of this community in the eyes of those you perceive to be your enemies.

by OneHitKill on 10/16/2007 10:50:23 AM EST

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Out of curiosity (none / 0)
which part do you agree with?

by jarett on 10/16/2007 04:40:16 PM EST

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A shred (none / 0)
Here it is.  It isn't much, but it's all you've got.

by OneHitKill on 10/16/2007 10:30:22 PM EST

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Short-lived (none / 0)
Can't say I didn't try.

by OneHitKill on 10/16/2007 08:54:11 PM EST

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Coprophilia (none / 0)

Inconsistency.

I am here to refine my own ability to present my own perspective and to identify the wholes(sic), hypocrisies and inconsistancies(sic) in yours and others.

Yes, I was as frustrtated (sic) by the likes of retards like yourself at one time... so much so, that I was going to leave.

Someone who claims he is  here to "refine his own ability...blah blah" but is frustrated by the likes of retards like me ( and everyone else) particularly when someone doesn't instantly agree and show "intellectual honesty" (his words) by providing endless praise for his ability to rehash old abortion arguments and Photoshop fetuses has issues.

actually a lump of "fools gold.

The only truth in the whole exchange is his finding  "fools gold". .

Lets think about that. Gold. Things that are gold...umm...squash...no, corn! Thats it! Corn.

BB / Chuz life has been picking the corn out of his shit again. Apparently he does that quite often. Just look for corn and BB / Chuzlife.

Look on the bright side, at least he's recycling.

 

"Freedom is important to Republicans as long as someone else pays for it on the battlefield and on April 15th."

by MRFred on 10/16/2007 04:17:45 PM EST

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I don't know (none / 0)
but I'd hit it.

Twice.

by jarett on 10/16/2007 04:31:42 PM EST

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You missed this one, (none / 0)
and she's the one getting the procedure.
hoosierdaddy?

by KenTX on 10/16/2007 04:55:52 PM EST

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You won't settle for anything less...than... (none / 0)

..(wait for it !)than nice photoshops of aborted babies!

It must be that Vietnam thing, being a baby killer. Men who have actually been in combat( hats off to you Hubble) seem to have an aversion for unnecessary wars unlike the dilettantes that populate the troll crowd her at TYT. It seems they want the US to use its military to  fight our enemies vice spawn new ones and create no bid contract opportunities for Republican contributors.. They also understand that when the decision is made to go to war...go heavy and go once..and go home...unlike the current set of asshats in charge.

How about it Hubs...want some feetus action?

"Freedom is important to Republicans as long as someone else pays for it on the battlefield and on April 15th."

by MRFred on 10/14/2007 10:12:00 PM EST

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And party every day (none / 0)

KISS?  Sounds like a winner.  Any knights that are good enough to work in Satan's serivce are surely good enough to help us escape Iraq with our entrails intact.

It turns out we aren't there to bring freedom after all, but rather to bring Frehley. 

by OneHitKill on 10/15/2007 02:46:10 AM EST

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yawn (none / 0)
We reject the frame, etc. etc.

by jarett on 10/15/2007 05:40:29 AM EST

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I hear a noise! (none / 0)

It must be the squeaky brakes of the short bus...and..and out jumps Pope BytchBang the First. Uh oh...his holiness has another ...questionnaire! And oh look..it's the always funny KISS principle. I can barely contain myself!

Ah yes..the de rigure BB questionnaire...full of front loaded questions designed to reach the desired answer. 

 So for fun lets give it whirl!

IMPORTANT Editors NOTE

Before I answer those of you who are interested should check into Mistaking Deductive Validity for Truth to learn how to construct leading questions...much like Fox pollsters!

1: Is the U.S. Justified in making war with Al Qaeda and those who grant them safe haven? Yes or No?

  • Yes. ( I am sure hes talking about Pakistan or more precisely, Waziristan. Sure by all means. Why aren't we?)

2 Is Al Qaeda currently attacking U.S. troops and Alliies (sic) in Iraq? Yes or No?

  • Yes. (Along with Sunis and Shias and  occasionally, Blackwater.)

3: Is the current Iraqi government an allie(sic) or an enemy of the United States? Yes or no?

  • No. (You know I hope BB doesn't write thing like contracts and other legal documents for a living...maybe that's why he's so pissed off all the time.)

4: Should the United States disengage from a known enemy and let them wage war on an allie(sic) that doesn't have the capacity to repel that enemy's advances? Yes or No?

  • Yes. See question 3

That was fun! I wonder if he has any more questionnaires? I want to take one on fiber in the diet. I want to know why it is when I take a shit all my turds end up looking like Karl Rove.

"Freedom is important to Republicans as long as someone else pays for it on the battlefield and on April 15th."

by MRFred on 10/14/2007 11:31:56 PM EST

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Now that I have destroyed (none / 0)

the Falic Warrior once again I can rest now. Smells like victory.

 

"Freedom is important to Republicans as long as someone else pays for it on the battlefield and on April 15th."

by MRFred on 10/15/2007 08:47:04 AM EST

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You cant define winning can you troll (none / 0)
How can anyone be defeated when you cant define winning ?

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 10/15/2007 12:02:22 AM EST

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The numbers have dipped before during Ramadan... (none / 0)
You really shouldnt be too quick to jump on all this stuff as PROOF of anything--almost five years in and youre jumping on a decrease in numbers to actually PROVE the end of the war or success of the surge?

And lets not forget--even if the surge works...then WHAT?! The government will create itself out of thin air and people will follow it? The Shiites will Un-ethnic cleanse the Sunnis?

Did it ever occur to you that the Surge has to work to keep Americans there longer? The Insurgents--mostly Iraqis have all the time in the world because they live there.

by calturner on 10/15/2007 10:54:15 AM EST

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Bytchicums can't follow a conversation (none / 0)
This thread started with Ken posting an Op-Ed piece about how the surge is working.

I read the Op-Ed and noted one fatal flaw in Kens big assertion which I will post again This doesn't necessarily mean the war is being won. U.S. military commanders have said that no reduction in violence will be sustainable unless Iraqis reach political solutions -- and there has been little progress on that front.

By quoting an article that Ken links claiming success, I am now cheering for defeat.

Perhaps if you would get your head out of women's vagina's, you could actually comprehend the point I was making, and not prove exactly what a wack job you are.

I think the Unborn One nailed my position perfectly. Thanks Global.

Don't forget Global, (as he has reminded us on many occasions) Bytchicums is a big bad warrior too, he probably hunted down renegade abortionist and delivered justice in a Bytching manly way, so all of us former baby killers may not have the same opinion.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 10/15/2007 06:06:38 AM EST

Really? (none / 0)

I never claimed to be a big bad warrior. I was just an engineer. I kept the trons flowing, the lights on and the screws turning.   I was in a combat zone once...but they wouldt let me out of the plant long enough to look around.

To compensate I would have my watch section aggressively spin up pumps and generators. That really showed em.

"Freedom is important to Republicans as long as someone else pays for it on the battlefield and on April 15th."

by MRFred on 10/15/2007 08:55:35 AM EST

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I got to play Full Metal Jacket when I was there. (none / 0)
I interviewed Iraqi Army/Police guys scared to use their real names and who just agreed with our "suggested" quotes.

I met hardcore US officers who meant well and watched the year grind them down into indifference.

I hung out with Civil Affairs guy who told me how crooked the Iraqis are.

I talked to Sunnis who said they'd be killed if they became cops and were better off leaving.

I got shot at to the point where it didnt even phase me after a day in 110 degree heat in full battle rattle.

That place is a train wreck and not going to save the Republicans.

by calturner on 10/15/2007 06:26:56 PM EST

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Numbers count only when you count the numbers (none / 0)

The changes are unrelated to the "surge". The Iraqis--and not the ones on "our" side--are the ones who reduced some of the violence.

The biggest cause of the reduced casualty count is the change in the way war casualties are recorded, not necessarily a reduction in actual violence.

"...A UK-based polling agency, Opinion Research Business (ORB), said it had extrapolated the figure by asking a random sample of 1,461 Iraqi adults how many people living in their household had died as a result of the violence rather than from natural causes.

The results lend weight to a 2006 survey of Iraqi households published by the Lancet, which suggested that about 655,000 Iraqi deaths were "a consequence of the war..."

Iraqi deaths:

Associated Press

Iraq Body Count 

Iraqi civilian deaths

 

According to the Council on Foreign Relations the death toll varies widely depending on methodology used for counting.  

by zenie on 10/15/2007 11:49:20 AM EST

Dems (none / 0)
Voting for Democrats are at best like voting for street bums and at worst a lot like voting for terrorists.

by acroso on 10/15/2007 05:21:21 PM EST

Well (none / 0)
I will admit that it's often a lot like voting for weenies.  But I'll take a weenie over a dick any day, especially if its last name is Cheney.

by bfaul on 10/15/2007 05:43:26 PM EST

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Street bumbs and Terrorists s s Oh my! (none / 0)
Your mind is not quick like bunny

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 10/15/2007 05:56:12 PM EST

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Reps (none / 0)

"Freedom is important to Republicans as long as someone else pays for it on the battlefield and on April 15th."

by MRFred on 10/15/2007 05:42:07 PM EST

giving slow people a bad name (none / 0)
1 in every 3? But 3 are posting here

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 10/15/2007 05:55:01 PM EST

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Actually (none / 0)
They are just dee dee dee.

by z1p101 on 10/15/2007 06:14:46 PM EST

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Not fooled for a second (none / 0)
That middle one is an Islamofascist disguised as a clean cut American boy.  They can't fool me just by taking off their turbans and cutting their hair, nosiree.

by bfaul on 10/15/2007 05:55:11 PM EST

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