We let Bin Laden go again.

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That's right, we let him go again.

Must be Clinton's fault. 

We know, with a 70 percent level of certainty — which is huge in the world of intelligence — that in August of 2007, bin Laden was in a convoy headed south from Tora Bora. We had his butt, on camera, on satellite. We were listening to his conversations. We had the world’s best hunters/killers — Seal Team 6 — nearby. We had the world class Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) coordinating with the CIA and other agencies. We had unmanned drones overhead with missiles on their wings; we had the best Air Force on the planet, begging to drop one on the terrorist. We had him in our sights; we had done it. Nice job again guys — now, pull the damn trigger.

Unbelievably, and in my opinion, criminally, we did not kill Usama bin Laden.

You cannot make this crap up; truth is always stranger and more telling than fiction. Our government, the current administration and yes, our military leaders included, failed to kill bin Laden for no other reason than incompetence.

The current “boneheads” in charge will tell you all day long that we are fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan to stop terrorists there so they do not come here. Nice talk, how about — just for a moment — acting like you mean what you say? You know walk the walk. These incidents, where we displayed a total lack of guts, like the one in August, are just too prevalent. The United States of America’s political and military leadership has, on at least three separate occasions, chosen not capture or kill bin Laden or Ayman al-Zawahri. We have allowed Pakistan to become a safe haven for Al Qaeda. We have allowed Al Qaeda to reconstitute, partially because of money they (Al Qaeda in Iraq) have been sending to Al Qaeda in Pakistan.

So everyone, what is the excuse this time? Must be Clinton's fault I guess and remember, this is post 9/11.

As always, I have a source to back up what I say. That is more than most of the "righties" around here can ever do.

Edit

I am serious Ken, BB, acroso, I want to hear the excuses. Because this is the second time since 9/11 that we have had Bin Laden cornered in the same spot and he some how got away. 

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Wait for it (none / 0)

They may take a while to answer zip.  They'll need to wait and see how Rush spins it so that they can follow the program.  I'm sure if it can't be spun then they'll find "evidence" that Bin Laden wasn't in the convoy after all.


by bfaul on 10/26/2007 11:45:06 AM EST

Missed hit (none / 0)
Is there a source for this beside FOX?

by NicoloM on 10/26/2007 12:42:03 PM EST

Yep (none / 0)

MSNBC.

This one has not gotten much media attention yet. Must be that liberal media bias I always hear so much about.

BTW, what did Brittney Spears do this week? 

 

by z1p101 on 10/26/2007 01:03:31 PM EST

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Tora Bora (none / 0)
It seems like he's always driving around in Tora Bora going one way or the other.

by acroso on 10/26/2007 12:53:41 PM EST

bbbbzzzzzzzzzt NON ANSWER TRY AGAIN (none / 0)
apparently Limbaugh hasn't told you what to say yet?

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by Leeberal on 10/26/2007 01:16:50 PM EST

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Of Coouurse (none / 0)

That must explain why we have the bulk of our troops in Iraq to fight al Qaeda.

Meanwhile, NATO is screaming that they do not have the resources to secure Afghanistan and are ready to give up. That would greatly increase the odds that the Taliban would return to power in Afghanistan and maybe even threaten Pakistan.

by z1p101 on 10/26/2007 01:24:05 PM EST

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WHAT a mess (none / 0)
On a good note. Heroin production has tripled ! lol... omg what a cluster fuck.. amazingly it just keeps getting worse.. Chaney is asleep and Bu$h is so isolated he might as well be Castro.

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 10/26/2007 01:27:06 PM EST

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Conspiracy (none / 0)

Alex Jones new movie is nearly out. The guy is soo crazy, but his movies are entertaining in that they are sooo damn crazy.

 There is a chance there is some truth to this stuff though since there are so many questions regarding 9/11, but he takes it to such extremes. Watch his new trailer.

by acroso on 10/26/2007 07:53:09 PM EST

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Thread Hijacking 101 (none / 0)
Hey, Turetts boy....what doe this have to do with the thread?

by MRFred on 10/27/2007 10:04:32 AM EST

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The Limbot collective hasn't downloaded a reply (none / 0)
I'm sure it's coming and in some shape form or fashion it will the the liberal media's fault, Bill Clinton's fault, the Democratic Congress's fault, or a combination there of.

I'm sure that it's not the fault of "The Decider" because he is "The Decider" and if he didn't "Decide" no "Decision" was required, and now the liberal media has gone and helped our enemies again by bringing it to their attention that we have ways of spying on them.


Why the liberal media has probably endangered the entire free world as we know it by printing this story, oh why oh why does the liberal media hate America?

I thought I would throw it out their first, just to be ahead of the curve....You know me just trying to be a helper;-)~

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 10/26/2007 01:45:09 PM EST

KenTX weighs in (none / 0)
I’ve been busy with work this week, but I’ve noted numerous invitations for me to opine on this subject. As usual, I will reply with pithiness, conciseness, brevity and wit.

Please take a look at this paragraph from your report.

“One of the officials interviewed by NBC News, a general officer, admitted Tuesday that it was “possible” Bin Laden was at Tora Bora, saying, in fact,  "I still don’t know if he was there." With intelligence limited on who was there, no one is willing to say that the lack of key units permitted Bin Laden or Zawahiri to escape.”
I agree that this matter should be thoroughly investigated by Congress in a manner that completely protects the cover of intelligence operations. Clearly, military operations need to improve response time to actionable intelligence.

I am heartened to see that you liberal weiner dogs are getting on board the war against Islamic Jihad. Maybe you’ll also express outrage that the mainstream media has been compromising covert military and intelligence-gathering operations lately. Let me know if you need some examples.

Here are a couple of related questions for the Peanut Gallery. If Osama bin Laden and his closest advisors had been killed in this operation, what difference would it have made in the War against Islamic Jihad? Would it have reduced the overall length of the war from 50 years to maybe 49 years?

This excellent article from a liberal scholar at the Brookings Institute compares the War on Islamic Jihad to the Cold War. Just calm down, because this is going to take a while.

by KenTX on 10/27/2007 05:18:43 PM EST

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DUH (none / 0)
 "you liberal weiner dogs "

Hey conservative dick wad  is that the pithy part or the witty part? I don't see either .

Cut the war on jihadist bull shit,  Iraq is  about OIL  and you are ok with that.  In fact any excuse to kill brown people is ok with your type.

As far as catching the person behind the attacks on 9/11  gosh why would we want to do that? DUH

Go back to work you dont have anything new or of consequence to contribute.

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 10/27/2007 05:27:39 PM EST

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invitation (none / 0)
Now that kiki has disappeared again, would you be willing to do me that favor?

by KenTX on 10/27/2007 05:42:13 PM EST

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No (none / 0)
 Run along back to your bomb shelter silly ass troll

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 10/27/2007 05:48:05 PM EST

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wash, rinse, set (none / 0)
"Iraq is about OIL." 

I don't want to confuse you, but this thread is discussing a military operation in Afghanistan.

Are you taking a break between  
hair styling appointments?

by KenTX on 10/27/2007 06:25:43 PM EST

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Oh ok (none / 0)
Got to resort to gay bashing ? Figures as you ran out of salient points long ago.

Oh is this thread about that place that Bush should have never left and hunted down the people responsible for masterminding the worst attack on American soil? OK  . Why didnt he again?

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 10/27/2007 07:30:50 PM EST

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WOW (none / 0)
See that BB. Did you learn something? The sour grapes defense is much better than the bend over and release the flying monkeys from my butt defense.

"I am heartened to see that you liberal weiner dogs are getting on board the war against Islamic Jihad."

Heh, please don't make me link to actual facts about al Qaeda in Iraq, the war in Iraq and your own words. Now, if you are talking about al Qaeda in Afghanistan, read my links to acroso. We are blowing that thing big time.

"Maybe you’ll also express outrage that the mainstream media has been compromising covert military and intelligence-gathering operations lately. Let me know if you need some examples."

If you are suggesting that the media was wrong for reporting this because it makes your precious President Bush look like the moron he is hurts national security, well I stumbled over something recently. Yes, that is a Republican ranking member of the house intelligence comity complaining about the White House's intelligence leaks, all for political gain. So #$&%ing spare me on that one.

I read your excellent article and maybe you should have too. It is about how this is not a conventional war and we can not win with a conventional army. Do I need to cut and paste again?

Now to -tard boy's assertion that we are drawing "Islamofucktards to Afghanistan".

A study conducted by Peter Bergen and Paul Cruickshank, research fellows at the Center on Law and Security at the NYU School of Law, found that there was a 607 percent rise in the average yearly incidence of attacks (28.3 attacks per year before and 199.8 after) since the Iraq invasion. When Iraq and Afghanistan, which together account for 80 percent of attacks and 67 percent of fatalities, were excluded, there was still a 35 percent per year increase in the number of jihadist terrorist attacks.

Notice the map, the attacks are moving away from Afghanistan instead of moving towards it. Our invasions without proper planning on what do do next are what is fueling this.

Hubble was right, you should have stayed away from this one.

by z1p101 on 10/28/2007 01:07:24 AM EST

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Holy crap (none / 0)

How did I forget this one?

"If Osama bin Laden and his closest advisors had been killed in this operation, what difference would it have made in the War against Islamic Jihad?"

 

by z1p101 on 10/28/2007 01:45:19 AM EST

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Wrong button (none / 0)

Because these are the people with the education, the language skills and the global contacts.

The goon squad pawns that follow them around are pretty much powerless without them.

Does that answer your question? 

by z1p101 on 10/28/2007 01:49:15 AM EST

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Banging my head against the keyboard (none / 0)

"I will reply with pithiness, conciseness, brevity and wit."

From Webster's Dictionary:  Bullshit - An argument that is patently false expressed in what the author believes to be a pithy, concise, brief, and witty manner.

"I am heartened to see that you liberal weiner dogs are getting on board the war against Islamic Jihad."

Yeah, so when are the cons going to get on board?  If they don't hurry Bin Laden will die of old age in his bed, and so will Zawahiri and Omar.

"Maybe you’ll also express outrage that the mainstream media has been compromising covert military and intelligence-gathering operations lately."

Why bother jumping the newspapers that printed the information rather than the administration jerk who leaked it too them?  They leak information and then scream about it when the papers print it? 

"If Osama bin Laden and his closest advisors had been killed in this operation, what difference would it have made in the War against Islamic Jihad?"

Islamic Jihad?  Who cares whether it "affects Islamic Jihad" or not?  Fuck Islamic Jihad. He talked a group of 19 religious nuts into ramming jets full of innocent fellow Americans into buildings full of other innocent Americans and murdered nearly 2700 of them.  That isn't enough for you?   

"Would it have reduced the overall length of the war from 50 years to maybe 49 years?"

Holy Christ.  Again, who cares?  Kill him anyway.  I don't give a shit if all it affects is the mouse population on Bush's Crawford Ranch. This is the position you call "strong on terror"?  You really do think like Bush, I'll give you that.  Are all Texans this muddled? 

I keep hearing people who think like you comparing the "Islamofascists"& nbsp; to the Nazi threat.  So playing along with this fantasy just imagine if Truman had told people that it didn't matter whether we got Hitler or not, he was just one man.  We were in a war with "blitzkrieg", and killing Hitler wouldn't end "blitzkrieg".&nbs p; I can hear the epic speech now.  My Fellow Americans -  Hitler has been "marginalized", he is on the run and hiding in a bunker somewhere near the Reichstag.  We must now turn our attention to Spain which has amassed bombs and airplanes capable of striking targets in Europe, and, yes, even in the United States...

I can hardly believe the crap that emerges from your keyboard sometimes. 

by bfaul on 10/28/2007 02:52:44 AM EST

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post (none / 0)

After the death of the DREAM act and CIR already the Bush administration has staked an early position on Larry "widestance" Craig's upcoming Agjobs bill...

 From NRO the corner

" Acting Agriculture Secretary Chuck Conner said Tuesday the Bush administration would oppose adding AgJobs. "The farm bill should be more limited in scope," avoiding jurisdictional issues that would arise from putting immigration policy into farm law, Conner said, Bloomberg News reported."

 Could Bush opposing these new amnesties become a habit?

by acroso on 10/26/2007 04:50:38 PM EST

Dont drink the Koolaid! (none / 0)
Its a trick! If you ever want to see someone hijack their own thread...here it is. Another way to dsrupt attent from another conservative failure...not that you have to look very far.

by MRFred on 10/27/2007 10:08:17 AM EST

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I am disappointed (none / 0)
I really thought our Koolaid Kids
koolaide

would come come up with something more original than the if you knew what we know you would understand defense. 

Hell, next thing you know we're going to have Dean Vernon Wormer as played by Acroso, telling us that we've really screwed up because Osama had been placed on "Double Secret Probation", and the plan to kick the IFF (Islamofascist Faternity) off campus has been jeapordized.

While Neidermeyer as played by BytchBang rides around with his silver helmet yelling to everyone with spit speckled passion to follow him.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 10/27/2007 10:32:28 AM EST

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Way to stay on topic Acroso (none / 0)
I'm not sure what any of what you posted has to do with Osama and the current administration or as I like to refer to them "The Gang Who Couldn't Shoot Straight".

I will take the high road and not insert a GOP gay/straight joke here but feel free to make one up for yourselves.

So come on it's been all day, surely one of our resident Rushbots has uploaded the talking point of the day and are ready to gird up their loins and enter into a battle of words and wits to explain to us how it's not Shrub's fault.

After all you have such a plethora of things to blame it on, why in the past the Shrub administration has blamed the military, the CIA, the Democrats, The Liberal Media, on and on because one thing we know about the Shrub administration "IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT."

Come on I have side bets going on who gets blamed first, and my Con friends are letting me down.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 10/26/2007 06:32:56 PM EST

I sometimes have to wonder (none / 0)
Is it possible they don't want the SOB dead?  Is there something else they deem so important that they think they need him around as an excuse to do what they want to?  I'm not much on conspiracy theories, but I'm running out of possible explanations for what goes on.  Incompetence is beginning to sound too weak for what's going on.

by bfaul on 10/26/2007 06:43:19 PM EST

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OK BB (none / 0)

now I'm confused.

Actually I'm not. I think I understand your hint. Is it

1. Keeping bin Laden alive will draw as many Islamotards to him as we can so we can take them all out at one time.

2. The last thing we want to do is give the Islamotards a martyr to rally around.

3. Keeping bin Laden alive will give us a way to keep the leftoids in Washington from stopping our holy war against the Islamotards.

Is it one of these or a combination of them  or am I way off the mark?

Hint, there is a dumb answer, a moronic answer or BB just proved that he is retarded answer so I hope I am off the mark. 

Anyway, the floor is yours. Please dazzle the class once again with your vast knowledge and wisdom. 

by z1p101 on 10/27/2007 01:03:15 AM EST

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Intelligence (none / 0)

I think these various intelligence agencies all have their own agendas. Some of these reports come out and turn out to be totally bogus, but that's always D32 news or no one finds out at all. Israeli intelligence does its things while MI-6 does its, and the public has no idea what's going on.

 

 

by acroso on 10/27/2007 01:46:50 AM EST

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Ahh Grasshopper you are so close (none / 0)
BB has given us the perfect example of the Con two step.

Caught in a quandary as to how to proceed, after all much of the Con myths about Clinton revolves around blaming him for 9-11 because?..............Come we all know this one...........YES you are correct Clinton failed to pull the trigger when he had Bin Laden in his sights.

So what to do? Can't really blame anyone, after all the last time they tried to blame the military it didn't go over really big and since then they have been telling us how brilliant the military has been. So that's a no go.

Can't blame the Congress, hell the Congress has& nbsp;rolled over and given them everything they could ask for and more to fund this "spread of freedom and Democracy to the Arab world", I'm mean "fighting the evil doers over there so we don't have to fight them here."  NO! NO! that not it! Well you just choose a theme of the day for our little adventure, and go with it, but Congress is off the blame chart on this one.

Now the liberal media could well have opened huge holes in National Security by doing their jobs and reporting on a story, but again can't blame someone for telling something after the fact.

In reality the Right Wing Noise Machine has been caught in a morass as to how to respond to this one.

So, they do what they do best muddle the issue with vague, puzzling, ambiguous statements like the one posted by the bestest warrior in the entire world, our very own Knight of the Road, the Prince among fighting men Bytchicums.

Yes, if only YOU had the capacity to understand the subtext of worldly events you could then, and only then understand that Shrub didn't pull the trigger on Osama, because in the grand scheme of things when he said we would track him down and he wanted him dead or alive, he didn't really specify a time table as to when he wanted him dead and how long we would track him.
Like a cat playing with it's prey, we just aren't through tracking this one for our amusement.

Yes, to true believers and those in the Know the right thing for Shrub to do was not kill Osama, but unless you drink the Koolaid, I mean have a world perspective like our warrior prince does you just can't follow.

In other words, in the mind of the Con

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance you baffle them with bullshit.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 10/27/2007 09:40:19 AM EST

[ Parent ]
He He He (none / 0)

I knew where the TYT village idiot was taking this one. When he made that post, he was not sure himself so I gave him some options. Sure enough, he picked one and went with it.

Now that we have all gotten a good laugh out of his ignorance and stupidity, how badly do I embarrass him again using facts or do I even bother?

by z1p101 on 10/27/2007 04:17:37 PM EST

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But (none / 0)

I'll bet he still has his GI Joe.

I am simply amazed when I read the " defending democracy and freedom" (for people who never had democracy and freedom in the first place or afterwards even)...as one of a long string of  rationalizations for what is essentially a long term  insertion of US military forces into Iraq to secure 150 trillion (at Fridays close) of Iraqi oil reserves. The only Democracy the Bush administration is concerned about , as confirmed by Alan Geenspan, is oil...particularly the oil revenue law

"The draft law that the US has written for the Iraqi congress would cede nearly all the oil to Western companies. The Iraq National Oil Company would retain control of 17 of Iraq’s 80 existing oilfields, leaving the rest – including all yet to be discovered oil – under foreign corporate control for 30 years.  As negotiations over the oil law stalled in September, the provincial government in Kurdistan simply signed a separate deal with the Dallas-based Hunt Oil Company, headed by a close political ally of President Bush. " James Holt , New Yorker Magazine.

Finally the plan of  2001 Energy Task Force headed by Vice-Asshole Cheney is abundantly clear.


by MRFred on 10/27/2007 04:31:24 PM EST

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GI Joe, I'm thinking you are right! (none / 0)
I'm thinking he has the entire action series, but his favorite has to be GI Joe with his kung fu grip.

After all only a real man like Joe can understand how hard it is to be such a Warrior Philosopher Prince, the bestest in all the land, like our little Bitchicums.

kung fu grip


This just in.....we have obtained exclusive photo's of the Warrior Prince in action, here he is capturing the "evil doer" singlehandedly, armed only with his knife and pistol.
Bythcipooh

Well that's the way it goes when Bytchipooh brings out his collection to play.

I'm sure any day we will be hearing of his real life exploits in the war on Islamofacisism, as soon as he signs back up or gets the contract with Blackwater.

After all a highly trained professional killing machine like the Bytch can't stand by on the sidelines and let others get all the glory for more than 4 or 5 years at most, then he is duty bound and honor driven to join in the fray.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 10/27/2007 04:49:26 PM EST

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Not even a "philosopher."... (none / 0)

When BBBrain first "arrived" at TYT..we had civil discussions (but...his old chuzlife training took over and he began his passive aggressive crap). One exchange ended like this:

BB: Now, I'm off to see if I can find out what "pnac" means.

Mrfred: One more thing...you claim to be conservative in outlook and dont know what PNAC is? Dude...they are going to pull your card! :)

Since then , He uses PNACS verbage in most of his "blue thumb posts".

Sorry, I created a monster :( 

by MRFred on 10/28/2007 09:26:21 AM EST

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Ain't that just the cat's B.O. (none / 0)
BytchBang isn't a NEO-conservative, and therefore is not beholden to their PNAC.  Nor is he a Geo-conservative (a conservative who drives a two-door Chevrolet compact).  Nay, BB is a beo-conservative:  A conservative who smells like rotten onions.

by OneHitKill on 10/28/2007 12:48:30 PM EST

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Why would he do that? (none / 0)
the Rumsfeld designed force has outsourced all the supply funtions...no need for  the storkeeper MOS in combat.

by MRFred on 10/28/2007 09:36:25 AM EST

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Gosh Oh Great Philosopher Warrior Bytch (none / 0)
I didn't know you could pile bullshit that high. But it is worth mentioning that this is a popular product and tactic the cons like to use its called

twist

I have figured out why there hasn't really been a real response from the usual group of Kool aid Kids
Koolaid
The Cons have actually gone back to the I'm 2 years old tactic of if I pretend it's not there it isn't real, you know I'll close my eyes and it will disappear.

So the Limbots have had to wing it on their own without instructions from the high command on how to deal with this one, and missing the memo to not comment at all, we are left with the addled brain musings of the Righteous One himself our own Prince of all Men of Arms, Bytchipooh.

Now I'm asking all of you to remember to
don't drink

Remember kids, don't take koolaid from strangers, and there is nobody stranger than a con.

It is however permissible to laugh long, hard, and loud when they post really stupid shit, and pretend its relevant like Bytchicums so often does.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 10/27/2007 12:29:15 PM EST

[ Parent ]
And the best part.... (none / 0)
its not even orginal!

by MRFred on 10/27/2007 02:55:18 PM EST

[ Parent ]
C'mon (none / 0)

Do you think "-tard" boy is capable of an original thought?

Not me.

by z1p101 on 10/27/2007 05:05:00 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Whooosh ! its tard boy! (none / 0)
lol @ -tard boy

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 10/27/2007 10:22:00 PM EST

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Ken couldn't look away and now he caught (none / 0)
I’ve noted numerous invitations for me to opine on this subject.
What? Were? When? Unless you believe that when anyone refers to a Limbot we are referring to only you. In fact I advised the cons to avoid this subject because no matter what you post it is a lose, lose situation for you, but with typical con arrogance believing you can spin silk from pig shit I see the usual suspects just can’t resist.
“One of the officials interviewed by NBC News, a general officer, admitted Tuesday that it was “possible” Bin Laden was at Tora Bora, saying, in fact,  "I still don’t know if he was there." With intelligence limited on who was there, no one is willing to say that the lack of key units permitted Bin Laden or Zawahiri to escape.”
Yes and we all remember how understanding you where when the phony story of how Clinton didn’t pull the trigger was circulated around. I remember some arguing that even if they weren’t sure if there was a chance Bill should have taken it. I see once again you hold Clinton to a different standard that Shrub.
In fact I’m positive if I took the time I could go back and show were you repeatedly posted references to this phony story even after the 9-11 commission said it was bullshit. So the situation changes and we have phony justifications and excuses for the Idiot from Crawford.
If Osama bin Laden and his closest advisors had been killed in this operation, what difference would it have made in the War against Islamic Jihad? Would it have reduced the overall length of the war from 50 years to maybe 49 years?
If you want to kill a snake you cut off its head. As long as Osama lives he gives inspiration to all the idiots who choose to follow him, and if you make him a martyr like most martyrs in a few years no one will care other than to offer lip service, but the lesson will have been taught, we will find and kill you.
The problem that we have is we are all for finding and killing Osama, (except evidently the Cons who don’t care), what we have always objected to is side tracking the LEGITIMATE WAR, for the excursion into Iraq, a country that had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAR AGAINST THE ISLAMIC JIHAD. Is it really that hard to understand?


Here is a question for you Ken would it have made a difference in WWII if Hitler and his top advisers had been killed early on in the war?
While many may have the ideas it is the charismatic leaders who step forward and inspire others to act. For the terrorist Osama has been that leader. Kill him and many will be discouraged, the central planning will break down, as will funding that only Osama can provide.
I am disappointed in you Ken you should have gone with the party line and just not said anything; you’ve only provided an example of Con situational ethics. 

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 10/27/2007 06:24:22 PM EST

non sequitur (none / 0)
"Here is a question for you Ken would it have made a difference in WWII if Hitler and his top advisers had been killed early on in the war?"

I can only imagine that it might have ended the war earlier. But as you certainly understand, America is at war against an ideology, not another country. We will prevail only after the ideology we are fighting falls into disrepute.

Will killing OBL hurt or promote the ideology? Nobody knows for sure. But one thing we do know, the day after OBL is killed, we will still be at war with al Qaeda and several other associated Islamic Jihad organizations. 

You need to read the article I linked so you can understand the end game.

by KenTX on 10/27/2007 06:36:41 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Flip flop much? (none / 0)
Oh really? We are fighting against an ideology now? What happened to the glorious American army will defeat the islamofacist army on its own soil bullshit?  God you are pathetic. Btw learn how to spell wiener you weiner

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 10/27/2007 07:35:15 PM EST

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eternal patience (none / 1)
"We are fighting against an ideology now? What happened to the glorious American army will defeat the islamofacist army on its own soil bullshiite?"  

Let me help you again. Islamofascism is an ideology not a country.

"Btw learn how to spell wiener you weiner."
 
I yield to your superior knowledge regarding the subject of cylindrically-shaped objects.

by KenTX on 10/27/2007 07:58:52 PM EST

[ Parent ]
wow I'm really upset (none / 0)
How very Larry Craig of you. Got a salient point yet? Guess not.

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 10/27/2007 10:25:52 PM EST

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pride goeth before the fall (none / 0)
I recognize sever al parallels between the Empire of Japan and the Radical Islamic culture.


Both viewed other cultures as inferior.

Both viewed women as inferior.

Both conquered and dominated neighboring peoples.

Both viewed themselves as the chosen people of God.

Both exhibited a take-no-prisoners, barbaric approach to warfare.

Both were willing to employ kamikazees and suicide bombers as legitimate tactics of war.

Both understand that an atomic blast can get mighty hot at the core.

by KenTX on 10/27/2007 08:55:32 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Interesting theory BB (none / 0)

But once they surrender how do you tell the difference between the "Islamofucktards" and the others who just live there?

Are you suggesting that we arrest every male in Iraq between 16 and 65 and where will we keep them?

Please, go on.

by z1p101 on 10/27/2007 09:20:37 PM EST

[ Parent ]
OK sorry strategy (none / 0)

How do you separate the combatants from the civilians?

If they don't surrender, how do explain away the civilians that you just killed?

Are you saying that every male between the age of 16 and 65 is an enemy combatant? 

C'mon, you sparked my interest here. Is this just another one of your idiotic statements or is there a plan here? 

by z1p101 on 10/27/2007 10:01:39 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Why do all old men smell like soup? (none / 0)
When did the radical islamic culture get nuked?   You know the brown people whos country we are occupying and whos oil we are trying to steal.

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 10/27/2007 10:36:33 PM EST

[ Parent ]
speaking of old men (none / 0)
What happens to gay guys when they get old? It's not like they have kids and grandkids to hang out with. Do they just become wrinkled, old, lonely gay geezers?

Or do gay guys ever make it to old age?

by KenTX on 10/27/2007 10:44:53 PM EST

[ Parent ]
do tell (none / 0)
Im sure you can tell us since you are all of that

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 10/28/2007 12:39:08 AM EST

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Hey Leotard who is falling? (none / 0)
what exactly is an islamofacist ? Sounds impressive doesn't it. To bad it doesn't mean a damn thing.

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 10/27/2007 10:28:43 PM EST

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Zip don't let them divert the subject (none / 0)
Let's review.

It has been reported that Shrub and his minions refused to take out OSB when the Intel showed we knew were he was.

OSB, the mastermind, the financial, operational, and spiritual head of the organization that planned and executed the attacks of 9-11.

OSB, who Shrub said would be hunted down "dead or alive."

Now we are being told by Ken and Bytchipooh that it is a good thing to keep this "evil doer" alive because it aids the fight against Islamofacist.

Evidently the longer he lives the more people he can recruit to try and kill our troops and us, giving us more opportunity to kill people who without OSB influence would never have joined the battle to begin with.

I've seen some really stupid things posted on this board before, but I have to admit this one has to take first prize in any stupid contest.

Oh Bytchipooh, when do you join the battle to defeat the Islamo's, a highly trained warrior like yourself surely would answer the call and go strap on the uniform and show us how it's done. You aren't like your role models  The Weiner and Rush, who like to talk tough, but are nothing but big pussies willing to let the less skilled go it alone, without your vast skills, knowledge, and moral certainty now are you?........Yeah that's what I thought, all fucking mouth, no fucking heart.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 10/27/2007 10:45:08 PM EST

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Don't worry (none / 0)

I'm getting to that. I have to admit though, BeanBrain interests me. I am trying to figure out how someone who spends so much time on a political message board can be so clueless on world events.

I suspect that he gets all his information from Americas anchor man. 

I still think there is a Doctoral thesis here that could be titled "How El Rushbo led to the near mental retardation of the American people".

by z1p101 on 10/27/2007 11:11:18 PM EST

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compare and contrast (none / 0)
"It has been reported that Shrub and his minions refused to take out OSB when the Intel showed we knew were he was."

Please show us where this was reported. How about an exact quote from a credible source.

By contrast, it was proven that Bill Clinton and his minions refused to take out OSB when the intel showed we knew where he was.

This was well documented by the 9/11 Commission; and the historical record of events; and even Bill Clinton himself.

His lack of effort was so shameful that his NSA chief had to steal documents the National Archives in order to destroy the evidence.


by KenTX on 10/27/2007 11:18:52 PM EST

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Yep (none / 0)

It's all Bill's fault. Let's not look into the mirror here and see that we missed bin Laden twice in the same spot post 9\11 all due to incompetence.

Do I have to find you quotes from Republican congress members on how appalled they were about the missile attacks on al Qaeda's hideout in Afghanistan when Bill did it?

Republicans were being obstructionists on every aspect of the war on terror pre 9/11 and you know it. 

by z1p101 on 10/27/2007 11:28:04 PM EST

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Ken did you read the articles? (none / 0)
Are you now going to say that the articles reporting Shrub not pulling the trigger are not credible, but you insist on posting articles that you seem to think supports the repeated spinning of the facts about Clinton.

Ken, really you should have left this one alone, I don't mind TheBytch making a total fool of himself, but I always thought you had more on the ball than our warrior prince.

Bytchipooh, I know you "served", but it's a time of war, and in a time of war hero's need to step up and go back into the fire. Someone of your killing expertise is needed on the front lines of the battle. Unless of course your combat skills are equivalent to your debate skills, and then I imagine it's better for you to stay out of the way of the real professionals, and just continue exposing the stupidity of the Con philosophy by continuing to post the inane bullshit you post.

The funny part is you think you are helping your side, when in fact you are helping the Leftards you despise so much, because the more you post the more convinced the rest of us are convinced of just how fucked up Con policies really are.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 10/27/2007 11:44:23 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Geez (none / 1)

That damn blackberry again.

by z1p101 on 10/28/2007 12:01:14 AM EST

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You have it all wrong Bytchicums (none / 0)
I love when chicken hawk, chickenshits, who talk a big game but never had to pull the trigger while looking at another person, so blithely talk about the glory and righteousness of killing other human beings, while defending the rights of a clump of cells to live.

I am not like some on this board who object to Con post. I LOVE THEM!!!  Because it show the true stupidity of your ideas, the blatant hypocrisy of your values, and the truly dark perverseness of your soul.

So by all means continue to post all you like, I don't object because every post shows exactly the type of person you really are. Full of hate and fear.

Yeah I figured you wouldn't have the balls to back up your beliefs with action, and would choose to leave the actual killing to others.
shrub cheers

You and Shrub, cheerleaders on the sidelines while real men fight the battles.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 10/28/2007 12:24:45 AM EST

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Bytchipooh your country needs you (none / 0)
It's a war my Warrior Prince, and the military can use all the warriors they can get.
 
Especially one who understands the mission and is so gung ho to go forward. So you haven't re-upped because?

Keep spreading your "I'm a real warrior patriot" bullshit, while real warriors die and you sit on the sidelines cheer leading.

Unlike you when I compete I hate the idea of standing on the sidelines watching others doing something I know I can do better.

Unlike you I volunteered during a time of war and volunteered and s erved in a combat zone. Yet I'm the one who hates America.

Now if an impartial person were given the facts which one of us would they believe loves our country more? Oh that's right while I actually fought you drilled alot so you must love America more than me.

But that's just me, I suppose some just like to play with their GI Joe's and imagine how they could contribute if they only had the courage.

Chicken shit, chicken hawks, who only talk the talk but when the real danger comes around refuse to actually walk the walk.

When I want lectures from someone about patriotism and American Values, I'll look to someone who actually knows what being a patriot really means, not some wanna be imaginary warrior  who's total experience involved training a lot, and posting right wing talking points he is spoon fed daily on a progressive board.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 10/28/2007 01:09:29 AM EST

[ Parent ]
OMG (none / 0)

Bytchie

It's him.

Can I get your autograph? 

by z1p101 on 10/28/2007 02:03:56 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Because (none / 0)

you are fucking insane?

I'm still waiting on your answer about the Mike Savage plan.

Man up or be the little bitch that you are. 

by z1p101 on 10/28/2007 02:17:17 AM EST

[ Parent ]
That's nice (none / 0)

But my grandfather taught me that a man always admits when he is wrong.

Maybe your grandfather should have told you the same thing instead of giving you the rape 101 tips and techniques class. Or you father should have told you the same instead of telling frog stories.

Just an observation. 

by z1p101 on 10/28/2007 02:41:26 AM EST

[ Parent ]
He he (none / 0)

I didn't feign anything. I just love pointing out what an idiot and coward you are. Just man up when you are wrong.

And  what is this ".... Hmmmm Thanks for the reminder, Zippy." when I mention the rape thing. Looks twisted to me.

by z1p101 on 10/28/2007 03:26:39 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Fat, immobile Fred Thompson (none / 0)
We aren't all the same.  You just can't tell the difference because you keep misplacing your Coke-bottle spectacles.  For the record, I am not "offended" by your positions (because they are laughable).  I am sometimes, however, offended by your disrespect for anybody and everybody (which is also occasionally laughable, but my mom taugh me not to encourage bad behavior by laughing at it).

by OneHitKill on 10/28/2007 04:22:24 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Disregard subject line (none / 0)

Oh..."Fred 08!" is your signature line?  Sorry, didn't realize that.  God bless, go forward.  Fred Tampon's emergence as the republican presidential candidate would be a bottomless ocean of comedy fuel. Just wanted to make sure nobody thought I was becoming Acroso.

OK, now back on topic. 

Ken, your black and white world palette needs more gray.  Again.  Of course wanting Bin Laden captured is not the same as supporting the War on Terror.  And while there are surely republicans who want the job done, our president is not one of them.  It's much more convenient for him if Bin Laden to roams free as a buffalo.  Prove me wrong.

by OneHitKill on 10/28/2007 06:47:13 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Fred (none / 0)

I also think Fred sHOULD be the nominee. I'm more of an ANYONE but Giuliani person than I am pro-Fred, but Fred is my favorite right now.

 Too bad his campaign is disorganized and he seems to have entered too late.

by acroso on 10/28/2007 12:39:30 AM EST

[ Parent ]
LIFO not FIFO (none / 0)

Yeah!  Rave on!  Also, too bad he's not a leader.  Or even a politician.  But I support him 100% nevertheless.

Fred '08! 

by OneHitKill on 10/28/2007 06:56:09 AM EST

[ Parent ]
why (none / 0)
He'd be a better leader than the hildabeast would be anyday.

by acroso on 10/28/2007 05:06:17 PM EST

[ Parent ]
(Snicker) (none / 0)
Ask Ken, he will explain it to you.

by z1p101 on 10/28/2007 05:13:59 PM EST

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damn social conservatives (none / 0)
Today they scream "Anyone-But-Rudy" !

A few months ago they were screaming "Anyone-But-McCain!

Now I understand how Democrats must feel about the nutroots and kook blogosphere.

Social conservatives are too stupid to realize that social conservatism means "No Sale" in 2008.

I like Huckabee OK, but we could never get a Baptist minister elected president in the next election.

At this point I think the best options are Rudy or Mitt. I could live with either one.

Economic Conservatives want to win because we want to prevent liberals from achieving power and implementing socialism.

Social Conservatives want to cram their 19th Century agenda down America's throat. It's all-or-nothing with this gang of fools.

by KenTX on 10/28/2007 07:15:08 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Who cares (none / 0)
lol @ nutroots.. I bet you have never been accused of being original. Is there some reason you think that even the smallets percentage of people that post here are interested in your thought process?

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 10/28/2007 07:36:37 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Rudy (none / 0)

Zero chance I would ever vote for Rudy in a general election.

I could vote for Romney, but I don't think many conservatives will be willing to vote for a Mormon. For that simple reason Fred is a superior candidate. He's also not as slimey as Mitt. 

by acroso on 10/28/2007 08:27:49 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Romney might be the best choice. (none / 0)
Rudy is starting to look like he might have a few skeletons in the closet that could be revealed on the weekend before the election.

By contrast, Romney is squeaky clean.

I voted for Fred Thompson twice when I lived in TN. I like the guy. But he doesn't have the energy and vigor to lead the country.

--- Tooth To Member

by leeberall on 11/10/2007 08:56:35 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I left out the best part. (none / 0)
I find Mitt Romney very attractive.

--- Tooth To Member

by leeberall on 11/10/2007 08:58:57 PM EST

[ Parent ]
LeeberallTX (none / 0)
LeeberallTX,

What about Mitt turns you on? Tell us, Ken.

by Leeeberal on 11/16/2007 03:46:10 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I'm confused? (none / 0)
I'm confused by all this nic jumping you guys have been doing recently. It's hard to tell who is who anymore?

All I know is that some guy named "Leeberal" is guilty of many infractions:

1. He frequently changes nics.

2. He posts rude, vile, insulting comments.

3. He is a serial stalker.

4. He attacks any liberal who exhibits tolerance towards conservatives.

5. He expresses hate speech against co nservative gay people.

6. He is a gay basher when it comes to conservatives.

Since hate speech and gay bashing will soon be outlawed, I have notified the authorities to keep an eye on this guy. 

By contrast, the two participants named "Leeeberal" and "leeberall" seem like very noce people.

by KenTX on 11/16/2007 06:01:29 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Confused (none / 0)
Leeberal is no saint. But you provoke him.

by Leeeberal on 11/16/2007 06:54:23 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Square peg (none / 0)

What more can you want from a guy?

I'll tell you exactly what more I want from a presidential candidate, and all of these criteria disqualify Fred Tampon from squeezing his rectangular body into the Oval Office:

A candidate should actually WANT to be president.  Fred Tampon looks like he mostly wants to go to bed early.

A candidate should not look like the creature from the Black Lagoon.  Fred Tampon IS the goddamn creature from the Black Lagoon.  Look at the gills on this guy.

A candidate should have some kind of qualification that makes him eligible for the presidency.  Fred Tampon is a frumpy TV actor whose greatest qualification is that, according to Chris Matthews, he smells nice. 

There's a They Might Be Giants lyrics that goes, "No one in the world ever gets what they want and that is beautiful."  I think there's exquisite truth in that, especially in the case of Fred Thompson supporters. Their tragedy is my comedy.

But I still agree 100%, Thompson should be the repub candidate instead of Rudolph the Red Nosed Giuliani.  Just for fun.

Fred '08! 

by OneHitKill on 10/29/2007 05:24:57 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Good band (none / 0)
They Might Be Giants.. the thinking mans punk

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 10/31/2007 03:41:03 AM EST

[ Parent ]
More logic from the Warrior Prince Bythcipooh (none / 0)
If my Country needs me Hubbles... But you are too simplistic in your thinking to have realized that one, huh?

NO I realize and everyone on this board realizes it's a pussy ass cowards answer that is always pulled out whenever right wing tools want to try and avoid the question. It's okay Bytchicums you can go back to playing with your GI Joes, and pretending you are a warrior. We who have heard the lame ass excuses before understand.

I'm too old and somewhat unable to meet the physical challenges. Thanks (in part) to a knee injury I got jumping off the back of a six by during training.

Why is it always the ole knee injury that keeps them out of the game. Oh damn the luck, a knee injury, I've never heard that one before. Funny I just saw a guy who lost a leg who has been refitted with a prosthetic who has volunteered and qualified to go back in, but a "bad knee" is keeping you out. Oh if only they could fix things like that.

(I'll not disclose the details) But basically... if you have ever watched Mel Gibson in "the Patriot".... It was a variation of "aim small miss small."

See Bytchipooh, you've got the super secret training offered only to the real warriors. So how could you not go try and use it. By the way Blackwater and others still take those who are to old to go back in the military, and they pay better.

But I've not hesitated when it comes to taking a deer, rabbit, squirrel, quail or coyote

Nice to know you equate a human life with rabbits, squirrels, quail and coyotes. Unless they are a clump of cells in a womb.

Gosh growing up in Alabama I never knew what that hunting stuff was all about.

I'll will give you a clue here My Mighty Rambytch. It's not the same thing. Not even close. Unless you are a true psychopath, the taking of another human life is something that does change you forever, and if you think it's the same as dear hunting you need serious help.

How can I be "wrong" about a position that I didn't even originate?

What?

Bytchipooh is your argument if a position didn't originate with you, you can't be wrong even if you espouse the argument?

You feign injury, claiming you are offended by my positions.... But you keep coming back for more and more...

Let's see you come on a progressive board and accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you of being a traitor and then accuse those who respond of obsession with your views. It would be like walking in the middle of Little Italy in New York and ranting about how all the Italians are members of the mafia, and then being surprised when you have your ass beat down.

Look Rambytch, we know you love the attention, so stop acting oh so shocked. We also know you are a pretend soldier who talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. We know you don't originate any positions because that would require mental skills you don't possess. We know you get you talking points from the Right Wing tools and then come here to spread them.

It's okay, because most of us find you views hilarious. Truly, we are not laughing with you, we are laughing at you.

You just keep on posting my little chicken hawk, Rambytch wanna be warrior. You do more for the progressive position with your rants than most people could ever hope to do.

I mean really, you and your buddy Ken have now told us killing OSB is the wrong strategy. Gotta love that logic.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 10/28/2007 09:40:08 AM EST

Cripes! (none / 0)

"The point of this thread was there is no excuse for not killing OBL when we had the chance to pull the trigger. I disagree and I provided a plausible reason for letting him go for now while keeping him in our sites."

There it is in black and white.  The Bytch type of Republicans think it would be acceptable for Bush to allow Bin Laden, and presumably Zawahiri and Omar, to go free to further some idiotic right wing goal (in their demented world view).  I was really only half serious when I posted that but it sure shed a little wierd light on Bytch's thinking, didn't it?

What a mind-boggling view of the world these people have.  It's like some half-assed cartoon character or something.  You tell yourself that there just can't be characters like that walking the countryside, but there they are.

by bfaul on 10/28/2007 12:57:21 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Dems (none / 0)

Dems think our troops are "Nazis" and have renamed our head General to "General Betray-Us."

 Somehow I doubt they want them to have sucess at anything let alone capturing their ally Bin Laden.

by acroso on 10/28/2007 09:55:02 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Lame (none / 0)

The whitehouse seems incapable of focusing its concentration on the the actual perpetrators of 9/11 and this lame shit is all you've got to say in its defense? How are "the troops" ever going to get their chance to attack the real threat if they are lead by such inept people?  They sign up to fight against Al Qaeda and instead are sent to kill Iraqis in the wrong counry. 

 

by bfaul on 10/29/2007 12:56:06 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Leeeberal (none / 0)
I'm not even sure which one is the real leeeberal anymore.

by acroso on 11/10/2007 09:46:16 PM EST

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