This is Not a Christian Nation

I am an American.

My name is not Jimmy Johnson, it is not Virgil Goode and it is not John McCain. But I am an American. No more, no less than any of these people.

My name is Cenk Uygur. And I am proud of it. It might sound a little different to your ear, but it doesn't make it any less American. That's the whole point of the country. If I wanted to live in a place where your race, ethnicity or religion mattered, there were plenty of other countries to choose from. I chose to be an American because I believed we were all equals in the eyes of the law.

Apparently, 42 United States Congressmen are not so sure.

The House passed a resolution yesterday celebrating the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. The point of the resolution was to show that we are an open country and that a Muslim-American is equal to any other American. That we are all to be celebrated as Americans. Forty-two representatives couldn't get themselves to agree.

These Congressmen did not vote for the resolution, they voted "present" instead. Is this a silent protest? What are they protesting? Do they disagree that we should celebrate all of the cultures in the country? Do they disagree that we should have Muslims in the country at all?

One of them, Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA) has already said that on the record -- and refuses to apologize. He said we should have less Muslims in Congress and less Muslims in the country at all. His colleagues didn't see fit to correct him. Moveon takes out a newspaper ad questioning one general and Congress goes ballistic. A US Congressman says we should discriminate against a whole group of US citizens and not a peep.

When John McCain said he wanted a Christian president earlier in the week, I didn't pay much attention to it. I think we overemphasize gaffes on the campaign trail. I care how these people are going to lead the country, not how many errors they make while speaking 24/7 on the campaign trail.

By the way, how did a media so obsessed with verbal blunders decide that George W. Bush was the right man for the job - twice? We were told John Kerry misspoke too often. What a topsy-turvy world we live in.

So, I didn't want to get caught up in this game. At this point, I am unfortunately used to people deriding people of the Muslim faith in America anyway. It has become an ugly reality of our country. It's so common that it's taken for granted now.

A couple of days ago, Ann Coulter was on the Today show and she said the real problem with Senator McCain's comment was that he later said he would vote for a Muslim if he agreed with him. How dare he? Doesn't he realize that a patriotic American would never vote for a Muslim? They are the enemy. They are less than other Americans. They are not equal. This is a Christian nation!

You see, that's what bothers me. I am not a religious Muslim at all. In fact, I am agnostic. I don't participate in Ramadan. I don't need a resolution celebrating it. But once you bring it up for a vote, to purposely not vote for it is a clear sign. It is not a slip of the tongue or a miscommunication in the midst of a hectic campaign schedule. It is a deliberate act meant to send a message. And that's what I do care about. It is a sign that we are not welcome.

You think these bigoted, xenophobic Congressmen care whether we practice the tenets of Islam, or how religious we are or what our actual beliefs might be. Of course, not. They just look at us and say those people are not of us.

Well, whether you like it or not, we are Americans. And I will not bow my head. I will not accept being classified as a second class citizen. I will not let you spit on my people and act like we are beneath you because of our ethnicity.

We had Naomi Wolf on our show last week and she was making a point that once the government starts depriving US citizens with names like Yaser Hamdi of their constitutional rights, soon they will come after people with names like Chris Robinson. She meant well by it and she is right. But think about what that says to me. My name is Cenk Uygur. Why shouldn't other Americans be concerned until they come for Chris Robinson? Shouldn't they care if they come for Cenk Uygur, too?

We had Senator John Danforth on the show this week and he said he was disappointed by John McCain's comments. The former Republican Senator and Episcopal priest stated emphatically that we are not a Christian nation. We are a nation that brings all different beliefs together and mixing our government with a specific religion corrupts the government and the religion.

He is right. And think about what it says to all the rest of us when people feel perfectly free to go on television and declare that this is a Christian nation. They are putting out a huge sign saying -- You Are Not Welcome Here. This country is for Christians!

Read the constitution. Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and George Washington did not agree. They were careful to point out that this is not a Christian nation. That unlike every other country in the world at the time, they were going to make America a nation that had free exercise of religion -- any and all religions. They were not going to let any religion rule the country or identify its inhabitants.

Read the constitution. You're wrong. It specifically says that all religions are welcome. The whole point of the country was to escape from religious persecution. No one religion can force its views on all of us, even if that religion is Christianity.

Read the constitution. I am an American. And under no circumstances am I going to let you take that away from me.

This is not a stand to protect me, my religion or my ethnicity. This is a stand to protect the idea of America. This country was supposed to bring all of us together. It was supposed to establish the idea that we are all equals. I still believe in that dream, and I will fight for it. I am an American.

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We don't want foreign holidays.

by acroso on 10/04/2007 01:58:05 PM EST

Lets get rid of Christmas, Easter and New Year's.

Damn those foreign holidays too hell!!!!!!!!!!!

by z1p101 on 10/04/2007 09:20:24 PM EST

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Acroso doesn't speak for all of us!  I, for one, will take what ever holidays you throw my way (and I'm not afraid to admit it).  And I reserve the right to strip those new holidays of their religious meaning and rebuild them around principals of consumerism and advertising.

Oh wait, that's already been done. 

by OneHitKill on 10/04/2007 10:06:52 PM EST

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Has the idea that Muslims are born in the U.S like anyone else slipped your mind?  I guess it has along with your wits. Detroit has the largest population of Muslims outside the middle east. Not England. Not Germany  the good ole U. S of A.  The number of Muslims in the united states is now greater than the number of Jews . Meaning Islam is the second largest religion in the U.S .

Rampant bigotry is one of the reasons the conservatives are going keep losing time marched on and it wasn't backwards.

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by Leeberal on 10/05/2007 02:46:01 AM EST

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Muslim and Jewish Holidays should not be celebrated period.

by acroso on 10/05/2007 06:46:26 PM EST

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Muslim and Jewish holidays should not be celebrated period.  Do you know how many scoops of just fucking wrong that is? 

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by Leeberal on 10/06/2007 01:34:21 AM EST

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I meant in terms of national holidays. They can celbrate whatever they like though.

by acroso on 10/06/2007 03:01:42 AM EST

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If states or localities want to celebrate false Gods or false religions than feel free. But the Federal Government should only be celbrating Christian Holidays.

by acroso on 10/06/2007 03:27:56 AM EST

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Fire in the hole.

by z1p101 on 10/06/2007 03:35:38 AM EST

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No Martin Luthor King Day either huh?

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by Leeberal on 10/06/2007 07:41:17 AM EST

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MLK day is a good holiday too. The 4th and thanksgiving are nice too.

by acroso on 10/06/2007 01:42:33 PM EST

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Thanksgiving?! I dont have time to worry about that . Im busy making my plans to attack Christmas.

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by Leeberal on 10/06/2007 03:33:22 PM EST

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So you are saying you are intolerant as well. That was an easy one to figure out. Most conservatives are narrow minded racists.

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by Leeberal on 10/06/2007 07:43:03 AM EST

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I'm non-religious and I also dislike the Muslim religion particularly because of it's scripture.

On the other hand look at scripture from the bible:

 

Deuteronomy 13:6-9

  If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

It isn't a hell of a lot better, is it? 

by bfaul on 10/07/2007 10:23:16 PM EST

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Ken rocks so much. I don't tolerate because they're intolerate. RIGHT ON KEN!

by Randomambusher on 10/14/2007 02:53:47 PM EST

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Detroit doesn't quite have the largest population of Muslims outside the Middle East. I think Indonesia has a few more. In fact, it has more than 100 millions more Muslims than Detroit has people.

I believe the stat you were going for is that Detroit has the largest concentration of Arabs outside the Middle East. I'm not sure if that's true, but there are quite a few Arabs, both Muslim and non-Muslim, living here in the Detroit area, not to mention non-Arab Muslims.

by dconrad on 10/09/2007 06:48:17 PM EST

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Couldn't agree more. The U.S. is not and was never intended to be a Christian nation.

If the Constitution is not obvious enough and if the fact that many founding fathers were not Christians but Deists is not convincing enough, then the Treaty of Tripoli makes it crystal clear.

This was a Peace and Friendship Treaty between the United States of America and the Barbary states of Algiers, Tripoli and Tunis.

It was signed by President John Adams and ratified unanimously by the U.S. Senate all the way back in 1797.

It contains the following Article:

Article 11
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

From Wikipedia:

"Official records show that after President John Adams sent the treaty to the Senate for ratification in May 1797, the entire treaty was read aloud on the Senate floor, including the famous words in Article 11, and copies were printed for every Senator. A committee considered the treaty and recommended ratification, and the treaty was ratified by a unanimous vote of all 23 Senators. The treaty was reprinted in full in three newspapers, two in Philadelphia and one in New York City. There is no record of any public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers"

Article 11 isn't buried in a 300 pages document either, where people could claim it slipped in unnoticed. The whole treaty is only 12 articles long and takes 5 minutes to read.

People who claim that you are somehow less of an American if you're not Christian are religious zealots and are exactly the kind of people founders of this country were fleeing from in the first place.

Of course nothing we can say will convince them in the end because facts have little place in a religious debate anyway. 

by etheberge on 10/04/2007 08:09:31 PM EST

I'm impressed. That was a nice piece of history there. It actually makes me glad that we had intelligent leaders at the time and not someone like Bush.

See when Jefferson decided to do this "he patiently waited years to implement a plan to destroy the Barbary Pirates Jihadists."

Now if Bush was in charge, we would have just gone and done it without paying any attention to what may go wrong. Furthermore, right before we were about "to destroy the Barbary Pirates Jihadists", Bush would have given the order to invade Portugal using the excuse that they let the "Barbary Pirates Jihadists" dock there and let the "Barbary Pirates Jihadists" rebuild.

That is glimpse into the way history is going to show Bush's presidency. 

by z1p101 on 10/05/2007 12:57:50 PM EST

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What does signing Oil contracts and baby sitting a Civil war started by Bu$h  have to do with international terrorism?  Or Pirates?

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by Leeberal on 10/05/2007 02:58:22 PM EST

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I'm kind of surprised they didn't vote no, and that my rep, Ted Poe, voted yes.

by Fenby on 10/05/2007 01:15:11 AM EST

It's about time Cenk stopped hating on Muslims and start sticking up for his people even if he's an agnostic!  I know he is one of the few people out there defending the M&M's, but we still need more of it!

by rev24 on 10/05/2007 05:08:49 PM EST

True story, Acroso.  Follow the money, for the money tells no lies.  And not only do Republicans do what terrorists want, but far more often, the terrorists do what the Republicans want.

by OneHitKill on 10/08/2007 01:55:27 AM EST

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Not Tom Tancredo. He has promised to bomb the hell out of Mecca.

by acroso on 10/08/2007 02:05:40 AM EST

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Tom Tancredo just might get elected by promising "to bomb the hell out of Mecca". Not.

I got an idea. Maybe you, Tom Tancredo and Michelle Malkin can buy your own small island and create your own country there. Think of it, just you and Tom and Michelle all alone on that small island all day and all night for.....

Acroso, what are you doing?!?! Both hands on the keyboard at all times! 

by z1p101 on 10/08/2007 02:34:17 AM EST

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Can I be the ob/gyn on that island?  I want to practice my love with Malkin all across that great country.

by OneHitKill on 10/08/2007 07:50:35 AM EST

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You don't seriously view that as a good idea?! Cause if not that's funny, is so... equally funny.

by Randomambusher on 10/14/2007 03:02:29 PM EST

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