Why would China urge citizens to dump the dollar?

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This is another one of those worrisome little signs that may ultimately mean nothing, and yet...

Why would the Chinese government be urging its citizens to dump the dollar?  It may just be that they are offering what they think is helpful economic advice, I really don't know.  The amount of money we're talking about is not really consequential.  The article says Chinese private holdings of foreign currency amount to around $162.1 billion, only a portion of which is dollars anyway, so the economic effect, while an issue, isn't what is worrisome.

The Chinese have been known to back down US government rhetoric by threatening what it sometimes refers to as "the nuclear option".  The term  refers to a state of affairs in which China would completely divest itself of investments in instruments based on the US dollar.  The use of this terminology is interesting in itself.  It underscores their awareness of just how vulnerable the US economy is to a Chinese decision to divest itself of the dollar.  It also voices their awareness that, like the use of the real nuclear option, such action would cause widespread damage to their own economy as well as ours.  There is, of course, a difference between their circumstance and ours:  They are $1.4 trillion dollars in the black, we are $9 trillion in the red.  In other words they have a $10.4 trillion dollar advantage over us in terms of their ability to absorb a shock.  Now we have a GDP about 5 times theirs and this factors into our ability to withstand losses, but it isn't a pleasant thing to contemplate.

So I wonder, are the Chinese urging their own citizens to sell the dollar to lessen collateral damage to Chinese citizens should they excercise the "nuclear option", or are they thinking about beginning a slow but steady divestment of dollars over the next few years?  If we bombed Iran, which is kind of like their Saudi Arabia, would they excercise the "nuclear option" in retaliation if we couldn't be talked down any other way?

It reminds me of a scene in the movie "Wall Street", where Gordon Gekko (Michael Douglas) screws over a character he refers to as "Sir Larry" by buying huge blocks of stock in a company that "Sir Larry" is gradually buying up in the hopes of transforming it into a profitable enterprise.  The effect of Gekko's purchases is to drive the stock prices through the roof.  He then turns around and offers to sell his large holdings back to "Sir Larry" for a much larger price than Larry would originally have had to pay.  In negotiating the price Larry warns Gekko "I could dump the stock just to burn your ass, but I want to make a go of it".  

In the right circumstances, would China dump the dollar just to "burn our ass"?  One thing is for sure, it's a sign of the decline of US economic power in the world.     

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I'll have to think about who benefits from the scare tactic about switching to euros, but it's not China. They're much better off with the crooks in the US, even with a crashing dollar. I think the scare tactics are for investors like Cheney who sent much of his money outside of the US before they crashed the dollar.

When the dollar was in a freefall in the 80s, I bought yen. My investment doubled in less than two years, but I don't have the $millions to play with  like Cheney and his ilk. My yen paid for a new truck and preschool. Cheney's will pay for his new home in Dubai.

With euros, there's central control. With dollars, there's only the crooked Repubs who crash the dollar every time they're in office, claiming that it's good for trade, while sending our jobs overseas and destroying the middle class.

In the news yesterday, the Chinese government officials indicated that they're extremely worried about the US economy. They're so tied into our economy that they're concerned they'll have a crash if/when we do.

There's so much more going on in China that they're not ready to switch to anything. Their cash cow, Hong Kong, steadfastly refuses to increase the value of their own dollar, but also worries about what might happen next year when the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region officially becomes "integrated" with China. They're hoping that Hong Kong will be able to change China more than China changes Hong Kong.

As it is, my HSBC [Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation Ltd.] account is doing quite well! 


by zenie on 11/19/2007 02:12:16 PM EST


"In the news yesterday, the Chinese government officials indicated that they're extremely worried about the US economy."

Hey, maybe they'll be willing to lend us some money if they're that worried!  Oh wait, nevermind... 

What currency are you investing in right now?  What about gold instead? 

 

by bfaul on 11/19/2007 03:12:28 PM EST

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Gold is always a terrible investment. Futures, maybe, but it's too hard to buy and sell quickly--gold isn't liquid enough. The dollar goes down, you invest in a stable company/fund where the currency is going up. I prefer to hedge my bets and invest in international funds with good managers.

Which Republican administration in the past 100 years didn't hurt the economy and/or the currency? Maybe Eisenhower, but he had huge increases in unionized industries as a result of the end of the war and reconstruction--that helped the economy and middle class to boom. Besides, he was more of a moderate/conservative Democrat than another Republican disaster like Hoover or Coolidge. Nixon devalued the dollar and dumped the gold standard.

Really, the only thing we can do is to get sane people who aren't complete criminals into the government. As long as BushCo and their ilk are in power, even behind the scenes, the economy tanks, dollar crashes, and the rest of the world hates us, while they get richer and more powerful. Actually, I've been around the world, last week in Hong Kong, and people don't hate us. They hate our government and what the Bushies have been doing to hurt people here and elsewhere. In Germany, we got lots of sympathy because they know the evils of a fascist government like we have now. That's what they've told us over the past few years.

China? We go down and take them with us. Their money isn't worth anything. The US buys more goods from China than the rest of the world combined.

It's like when someone like Donald Trump owes millions of dollars to a bank. When you owe a bank $100,000 or $1,000,000 the bank owns you. When you owe a bank $50,000,000, YOU own the bank. They can't afford to let you default.

Same with China. 

by zenie on 11/19/2007 10:29:39 PM EST

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