12/14/2007 06:36:51 AM EST

Is TYT suspended?

posted by chimpevil

I was listening to Rachel Maddow's show last night and Rachel was talking to Kent Jones, who in another boneheaded move by AAR is being canned, but that's another story.  Anyway, they were talking about Kent's last show on Friday, and Rachel suggested that during the show they crack open some wine a listener sent them.  Chris Lopresto, one of the producers, jumped in and said "No, no, don't do it!"  He was very adamant that they not even joke about drinking on the air and then he said "don't ask me how I know (that you shouldn't do) it, just don't do it."  So I thought at the time, I wonder if Cenk was suspended for drinking a beer on the air (on I think Tuesday's show, when he was goofing around about celebrating the anniversary of the repeal of Prohibition.)  Now that there's no show again today, I'm really thinking that something along those lines happened.  Does anybody have any idea if this might be true, or am I just being paranoid (I am "Mr 9/11 truth" after all!)

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Is TYT suspended? | 160 comments (160 topical, 0 hidden)
You are probably right (none / 0)
I was kind of concerned at the time when Cenk drank the beer on air.  I don't know Air America's policy, but every place I've worked has frowned on drinking on the job.  I wonder if Cenk will have to tell us how "totally, totally, totally sorry he is" for drinking on the air when they come back on. 

I hadn't heard about Kent Jones.  That is really stupid on AAR's part.  I don't listen to Rachel's show often, but I enjoy his parts when I do.  I don't know what's going on at Air America, but they need to get it together. 

by heavydavyd on 12/14/2007 08:38:59 AM EST

Re: what's going on at AAR... (none / 0)

I can only think of 2 possibilities, neither good...

(1) They're mucking w/ the content, in what I consider a less-than-optimal fashion.

(2) They're hurting for cash, and are stripping-down shows.

Either way, the Kent canning is a bad omen. 

by plooger on 12/14/2007 12:28:55 PM EST

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Poor K-Lo (none / 0)
It sounds like he went into a panic.

Why was Kent fired?

by jarett on 12/15/2007 01:21:48 AM EST

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On Air or Post-Game? (none / 0)
I don't recall Cenk drinking (maybe I was drunk).  Was that on the air or during the post-game?  What day was it?

The FCC has strict rules about drinking on air;  AirAmerica policy isn't relevant.  But the post-game is an internet broadcast, and FCC rules should not apply.

by Dogger on 12/14/2007 08:58:20 AM EST

That doesn't sound right (none / 0)
How the heck can the FCC say if someone can or can't drink on the air? That makes no sense whatsoever. That would also have to mean that someone can't drink on television either. That can't be right.

by babaganoosh13 on 12/14/2007 09:18:54 AM EST

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I might be wrong . . . (none / 0)
It was my understanding that broadcasters and their agents could not drink on air, but that the subject of a broadcast could be shown drinking (i.e., a reporter covering Mardi Gras could show drinking in the streets, but could not drink himself on camera or appear while drunk on camera). I don't recall if it's a specific rule or a policy derived from the character requirement for broadcast licensees.  And it may have been repealed at some time, for all I know.

by Dogger on 12/14/2007 10:15:15 AM EST

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Savage (none / 0)
Isn't Savage drunk nearly 100% of the time he's on air?

by acroso on 12/14/2007 11:18:20 AM EST

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Certainly wouldn't surprise me (none / 0)
The slurring should give him away to anyone paying attention.

BTW, did you see that Ed Rollins is running Huck's campaign now?  Apparently he has completely flipped around to the Lou Dobbs school of immigration reform.  Thought you would be interested.

by jarett on 12/15/2007 01:24:41 AM EST

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Long Weekend? (none / 0)

What happened at the end of the last show? Did Cenk say anything about the rest of the week?

I refuse to be bored to death listening to Bill Press. Well, Don Imus is back and he's not as boring. Let's hope that it's just a 4 day weekend, and not a suspension.

TYT is the best thing that's happened to morning radio in a long time. 

by zenie on 12/14/2007 09:32:52 AM EST

This sucks (none / 0)

They were plugging Ben coming on the show Thursday on Wednesdays show so they didn't seem to know anything about it.

Was the beer drinking on air or just on the post game?  I can't remember for sure.  

Why wouldn't they still do a web/podcast show if they were?

On another ominous note has anyone been wondering with the push for members and repeatedly  talking about being independent that AAR might not be renewing the contract?

Sigh 

 

 

 

by loner on 12/14/2007 09:53:52 AM EST

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Exactly (none / 0)
See my post below on this very topic.  We might have to organize something to get this going again (I'm ready and willing).

Or we might be alarmists.  But it doesn't hurt to be prepared.

by ihavenobias on 12/14/2007 10:02:55 AM EST

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Yes, this is a third possibility ... (none / 0)

... that I hadn't considered in my previous post.

Could this  be another symptom of something larger going on at AAR, and possibly related to the same forces that resulted in the canning of Kent Jones?  Has AAR pulled the plug?

 

 
 

by plooger on 12/14/2007 12:35:17 PM EST

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I thought this was what the postgame was FOR (none / 0)
... doing things that are not okay on the air.

by jarett on 12/15/2007 01:26:17 AM EST

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Have a drink on air (none / 0)
man oh man, the US is so uptight about alcohol, it's unbelievable and that's where most of the problems come from.
We see the same in Europe: the most uptight countries have the most problems with it.

This is how they roll in Belgium:
http://www.vrtnieuws.net/cm /vrtnieuws.net/nieuws/De%2B keien%2Bvan%2Bde%2BWetstraa t

It's a 45min political show where they talk in depth to high level politicians (prime ministers, ministers, senators, EU parlementarians, ...) and what do they usually have on the table: red wine

!!! Drink and drive is absolutely NOT tolerable, get better public transportation and that problem might be solved

by callisto on 12/14/2007 09:36:30 AM EST

Taxes (none / 0)
Of course we need better public transporation.  But since the 80's, many Americans have been duped into thinking taxes are always evil and or wasteful, so it won't happen.

Never mind the fact that we lose life (and money) due to drunk driving.  Also never mind all of the lost time and productivity due to traffic congestion.  And finally, never mind global warming (assuming you believe in it).

Complain about high gas prices?  Check. A minute later complain about a potential tax increase to help increase public transporation?  Check.  Does this average person not realize the absurd contradiction?  Check.

by ihavenobias on 12/14/2007 10:48:40 AM EST

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Your checklist has me howling. thx. n/t (none / 0)

by plooger on 12/14/2007 12:36:31 PM EST

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Not Enough Members? (none / 0)
I'm sure they need more members.  I remember a TYT guest recently saying something about over 600,000 listeners.  If that's even close to the true number (give or take 100,000), it sucks that they have so few members.  I don't know the exact number, but Cenk has said he wants to get to 4,000 members (and that they aren't close).

It sucks that not even 0.007% of the 600,000 people who regularly listen to the show are members.  I'm not dissing them, but I can only hope that if worst comes to worst (and no, I don't know any more than you do) we could AT LEAST get ONE PERCENT of us (well, I am a member but you know what I mean) to sign up.

PS---I think a great Christmas gift is a year subscription to the show, especially since interest in politics should peak for the next 1.5 years or so with the upcoming election.  It's the perfect time to get the friend or family member hooked on TYT.  Hell, if I had more money I'd offer to buy gift subscriptions for conservative friends to save them before the next election!

by ihavenobias on 12/14/2007 09:52:17 AM EST

No show (none / 0)
I don't care what is up. Unless they were all Blown up with thier studio.Someone (Dave K.) should have put up a note on the Website If they were taking 2 days off. No respect for listeners. Very Disappointed!

by grogger on 12/14/2007 10:01:55 AM EST

Grogger (none / 0)
I understand how you might feel that way and I'm sure we'd all like to see some notice. 

But realistically, I'm not holding any grudges.  I just want the show back!

It's like when my dog chews up something expensive and I catch him in the act and think he's choking.  Sure I'm a little pissed, but ultimately I'm just happy he's alive and well.

by ihavenobias on 12/14/2007 10:08:27 AM EST

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I agree (none / 0)
Yes it would have been nice for someone to post something letting us know for sure.  But I do hope they come back.  They are the best thing on Air America. 

by heavydavyd on 12/14/2007 10:10:04 AM EST

Cenk wasn't the only MIA on Thursday morning ... (none / 0)
Cenk wasn't the only MIA on Thursday morning. Britney Spears missed her deposition as well.

I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying. Maybe Cenk and BS hooked up, and the poor lad needed Friday off to recover.

If we're going to instigate rumors here, why not create one that Cenk can be proud of?

by Dogger on 12/14/2007 10:22:01 AM EST

Re: Cenk wasn't the only MIA on Thursday morning (none / 0)
Now THAT'S some investigative reporting! Well done!

by nicks on 12/15/2007 02:28:55 AM EST

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Not Buying It! (none / 0)

I've gotten last miniute emails as a member, telling me about upcoming guests, calls to action, new videos. How about an email to PAYING members about what's going on.

Yes, I think they owe us that! It would take Dave about 30 seconds and cost $0.00.

by grogger on 12/14/2007 10:23:10 AM EST

So (none / 0)
you're the type that would punish my dog after he stopped choking?  You son of a...  ;)

by ihavenobias on 12/14/2007 10:25:31 AM EST

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Dog? (none / 0)
It's a funny analogy, I'm a professional dog trainer! No, I'm the type of guy that if you make a date with me and pull a no show/ no call I'M PISSED!

by grogger on 12/14/2007 10:32:25 AM EST

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Oh yea, about AAR (none / 0)
96% of AAR sucks! If they lose TYT 99% would suck. AAR tarnishes TYT. I hope they do leave. Cenk is an unbelivably talented radio personality. He WILL ALWAYS have a show, He will "make it big" He has all the right stuff. AAR will NOT do it for him. If they lose AAR,  Cenks motivation will land him something better I'm sure.

by grogger on 12/14/2007 10:30:26 AM EST

I'm not sure (none / 0)
I'd put the percentage that high (maybe 75-80%), but you're basically correct.  Maybe Cenk can finally get on MSNBC or another TV network. 

by heavydavyd on 12/14/2007 10:34:42 AM EST

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I agree (none / 0)
There's at least a couple of other shows that are really, really good, but in a different way (75-80% sounds about right).

But TYT is by far the most *entertaining*.

by ihavenobias on 12/14/2007 10:42:52 AM EST

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Ok, since no one else is defending AAR... (none / 0)

... I'll step-up.

The "AAR Suckiness Percentile" largely depends on one's personality type and political disposition.

My profile says very little "sucks", excepting nearly all the new Green-induced AAR 2.0 additions (Lionel, Clout, Money...).  Hartmann, Rhodes, TYT, Maddow, Seder on Sundays, Ring of Fire, and even State of Belief, are all informative and interesting... though each done in decidedly different styles.

by plooger on 12/14/2007 12:44:00 PM EST

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You had me and then (none / 0)
you lost me with Rhodes.

I'm not saying I necessarily disagree with her on all that many issues, but I DO think she can be a "knee jerk liberal" that is often too forgiving to democrats (notice I said often not always).

And this is even more subjective, but the raspy, accented NY voice is irritating (to me).

PS---I agree on the new shows, especiall Lionel...he's so condescending.

by ihavenobias on 12/14/2007 01:04:57 PM EST

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Lionel (none / 0)
Is the worst.  I wish they would put Sam Seder back in that time slot.  ihavenobias, you are 100% right, 0% wrong on Randi Rhodes!

by heavydavyd on 12/14/2007 01:12:55 PM EST

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x3 on Rhodes (none / 0)

She makes Cenk seem like the most humble host on earth. :) I'm not saying anything I'm just saying...

Her show has a place but it's something I can't stand to listen to.

I was just thinking about podcsting Maddow but I am still steamed about what they did to Sedar and it was like a week after I paid for his podcast.  I guess I'm lucky I didn't get burned a 2nd time. 

 

 

by loner on 12/14/2007 01:35:06 PM EST

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Randi Rhodes (none / 0)
Most of the AAR on-air personalities are funny and smart and hip and entertaining.
 
Randi Rhodes is none of those things. She gives liberalism a bad name.

by KenTX on 12/14/2007 04:34:27 PM EST

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FCC rules regarding on-air drinking (none / 0)
It appears there are no FCC rules on the subject of consuming alcohol in front of the camera or microphone.

Threatening the life of the president is against the rules. If you want to hear a clip of that being done on AAR, you can hear a clip at this link.

by KenTX on 12/14/2007 04:46:56 PM EST

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Thats interesting.. I' serious it is.. really (none / 0)
Find a better source than World Nutter Daily next time.

The irony that you don't like Randi Rhodes yet worship Limbaugh is the only entertaining thing about your post.

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/14/2007 05:01:17 PM EST

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method (none / 0)
The objective is to get Randi Rhodes cancelled so TYT can have her time slot. If they weren't on at 4:00 AM, their ratings would take off.

by KenTX on 12/14/2007 05:14:56 PM EST

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Lets see.. nope dont care what your motives are.. (none / 0)
Dont you have some bathroom to go tap your foot in or something?

TYT are on 6 to 9 drive time in the east thats a pretty cherry spot.

Randi Rhodes is the most popular show on AAR and she often beats that oxycotin addled freak  on a market to market basis.  So she isnt going anywhere.

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/14/2007 05:19:57 PM EST

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minor problem (none / 0)
"TYT are on 6 to 9 drive time in the east thats a pretty cherry spot."

The problem is that liberals aren't driving at that time of the day. They aren't even out of bed yet.

They don't have anywhere to go.

by KenTX on 12/14/2007 05:24:57 PM EST

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You are really observant. in a non observant way (none / 0)
Is that the problem? Neither are asshole conservatives that are up in the middle of the night doing god knows what ( wink wink)

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/14/2007 05:27:47 PM EST

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It's your world, boss (none / 0)
Thousands of republicans are up at that time.  Because they have to get up when the warden says they have to get up.

by OneHitKill on 12/15/2007 07:02:05 AM EST

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thanks (none / 0)
I never thought of that angle.. thanks for pointing it out .. heh

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/15/2007 09:33:54 AM EST

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I absolutely agree with you (none / 0)
Of course that would mean that I'd have to finally switch my Sirius to XM.  Ugh.

by jarett on 12/15/2007 01:36:44 AM EST

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Tiny always defends Randi? (none / 0)
Oh yeah, I forgot.

Strong women, Judy Garland, domineering moms who make sons gay, all that stuff.

I don't get it, and I don't even try.

by KenTX on 12/14/2007 05:19:33 PM EST

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Jealous ? (none / 0)
Tiny? Uh oh.. this is a prelude to you gay bashing . Yup and there you go. Whats next leeberall going to make an appearance?  

You disgusting freak

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/14/2007 05:25:17 PM EST

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leeberall? (none / 0)
Who's that? I'm sorry. I have no idea to whom you are referring?

Is he a friend of yours?

by KenTX on 12/14/2007 05:31:42 PM EST

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fucking coward (none / 0)
You are what you are.. Why change your nic?

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/14/2007 11:03:49 PM EST

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unbelievable (none / 0)
"Why change your nic?"
 
That is a very bizzare question coming from a world class nic-jumper like yourself.

Are you familiar with the term "projection", because you exhibit classic traits associated with this disorder.

And while we're on the subject, now that we might be in the final days of the forum, perhaps you'd like to share how many nics (or usernames) you've employed in the almost two years you have posted on this website.

My guess is somewhere around three dozen. 

by KenTX on 12/15/2007 02:56:33 AM EST

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You are not a shrink (none / 0)

Are you familiar with the term "projection"

How could we not be?  BytchBang used that as his defense against everything, and look what happened to him.  His wife said "ENOUGH" and fed him to a pack of feral dogs.

by OneHitKill on 12/15/2007 07:04:54 AM EST

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bite me you freak (none / 0)
Your paranoia and ignorance are stunning.

World class nic jumper? Ohhhhh thats right EVERY NIC that has ever disagreed with you is the same person.

Nothing you posted changes the fact that you use nics that look like mine.. you fucking coward

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/15/2007 01:54:09 PM EST

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operate conditioning (none / 0)
"Nothing you posted changes the fact that you use nics that look like mine."

Let me see if I understand.

Whenever someone posts in a nic that looks like yours, it bothers you? You say it bothers you very much?

OK. I'll have to keep that in mind.

Thanks.

You might have noticed that ihavenobias has become very docile and polite and agreeable lately. All it took was a little "operate conditioning".  It's a humane method for training disobedient monkeys. 

So now we know what you don't like. I think we can do some business.

by KenTX on 12/15/2007 06:55:33 PM EST

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True... (none / 0)
I think Ken's right about no official rule against drinking on air (notice that actors on shows CAN be seen sipping (even chugging) "adult beverages" but the actors in a beer commercial CAN'T. Don't believe me? Check every beer commercial you see - lots of smiling faces, happy shiny people, lots of beer being poured, but no one gets glass anywhere near lip.

Of course radio rules differ from TV's, but I doubt there is any radio jock who hasn't gone on air with a shot or two in their system at some point in their career - unless it causes a problem, it ain't a problem...even though virtually every station will have "no drinking on air" regulations to cover their ass.

But Cenk (as an example) is not locked into a single station's rules or regulations. Dunno if AAR has any rules regarding their syndicated content, but I think you'll find that Cenk "owns" his show and would be the final arbitrater studio-wise as to what can and can't fly. That said, if an affiliate station owner takes umbrage at Cenk's actions, they can drop the show with the flick of a switch.

And for those who might be confused - R.R. didn't threaten the life of Georgie - she remarked on how nice it would be if the Corleone Bush family gangsters would clean up their own mess. ala The Godfather. Lucky for him, they can't do it to "Fredo" Bush before Mama is room temp.

Bad taste? Maybe. But certainly tamer than O'Reilly, Rush, Hannity, or Weiner-Savage on any given day.

by MedfordTim on 12/14/2007 05:49:15 PM EST

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No, Ken TX (none / 0)

I was a DJ in college and my FCC license clearly stated that you could not drink or use illegal drugs while on air.  That's different from merely appearing on the radio or TV.  It would be legal to broadcast a tape of someone drunk.

Again, it's irrelevant because it was on the Post-game show, not on the airways.  You can cuss, drink, hell, you can SCREW on the Internet! 

by sunsawed on 12/14/2007 07:02:39 PM EST

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How could they tell? (none / 0)

My friends were college DJs too. I doubt that any of them weren't stoned or drunk when they were on the air.

How can the FCC tell if they aren't observing? Oh, right, it's a webcast. Listeners can't tell. They only hear what they hear and don't know if the drinking is real or not.

Well, was it on the post-game show or not? 

by zenie on 12/15/2007 12:01:11 PM EST

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Yeah (none / 0)
She's extremely knowledgeable, but not terribly entertaining.

by jarett on 12/15/2007 01:35:09 AM EST

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Too New Yawk (none / 0)

I first listened to Randi in south Florida and was surprised to find a mid-day talk show with someone so "New York".

Since I lived and worked in the NY metro area, I enjoy her intensity, but not usually the yelling at callers. She usually does that when they don't shut up and won't listen to reason or have a 2 sided discussion. She's very knowlegeable, but not as much as Thom, and very sympathetic. But her accent, repetition and yelling gets really grating. That's why I listen to the podcast. When she gets annoying I fast-forward or switch to a different podcast.

I think she's the only veteran [Air Force], except Mark Green, of AAR hosts--and most other stations too--and that makes a big difference.

I lived in NJ. I'm really comfortable with Cenk's NJ accent, too. 

by zenie on 12/15/2007 12:38:19 PM EST

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Miami rocks (none / 0)
You where surprised to find someone in south FL from NY?  Next you will be posting that there are jewish people in south FL as well! heh . I just went to Miami on vacation recently. I would move there if I could.. love the beaches and the night life. Different than anywhere else.

Didnt like Randi.. started to like her.. didnt like her again... like her now  .. wish  Malloy was still on I like that style.. cant wait for Cenk to get to where hes going I hate waiting

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/15/2007 07:00:20 PM EST

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I agree (none / 0)
Thom, TYT, Rachel, Sam, and RoF are all very good.  Randi has always gotten on my nerves because she cuts her callers off and loves the sound of her own voice too much, but MY GOD can the woman do her research.

by jarett on 12/15/2007 01:33:51 AM EST

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You exactly named (none / 0)
all of the good AAR shows!


Although if I have to name the most well informed show host it's Hartmann, bar none.

by ihavenobias on 12/15/2007 01:48:22 AM EST

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I see Cenk is on line now (none / 0)
I hope He's reading this thread!

by grogger on 12/14/2007 10:39:50 AM EST

Rerun (none / 0)
It's a repeat of an earlier show. I hope he and/or Dave read and reply to the thread, too.

by zenie on 12/14/2007 10:44:17 AM EST

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No, Cenk is LOGGED ON to the website! (none / 0)
How 'bout a comment Cenk?

by grogger on 12/14/2007 10:47:12 AM EST

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Suspended? (none / 0)
I hope this isn't Morning Sedition all over again.

by awforrest on 12/14/2007 11:20:00 AM EST

crap (none / 0)

I have a bad feeling about this one.  I hope this is just some technical problem, like Jesus spilled coffee on the equipment. I think if they were cut off by Air America, they would have at least done the Internet show for a day.

 I hardly ever post here, but I listen every day and am a member.

 

by washizu on 12/14/2007 11:51:32 AM EST

Based on nothing. (none / 0)

Since firing Kent Jones seems so galactically stupid I wonder if AAR threatened something stupid towards the Turks or is not paying up on something and the show not being on is a stand against that?

Either way this makes me sick.  The panic of when Ben gave his crypto goobye when they were leaving Sirius is returning when no one knew exactly what was happening.

What a high to a low.  I was really looking forward to Ben being on for a day and not only does that not happen a big foggy void takes it's place. :(

 

 

by loner on 12/14/2007 11:57:41 AM EST

That's something I'm wondering, too. (none / 0)
Are the Turks boycotting/on strike (their choice), or forced off the air?

by plooger on 12/14/2007 12:45:11 PM EST

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Yea! (none / 0)

What a high to a low.  I was really looking forward to Ben being on for a day and not only does that not happen a big foggy void takes it's place.

--- 

I've been looking forward to the hour with Ben all week.  I tend to watch to the show over the internet the day after so I didn't know there was no show until today (since there are no updates on the main page about there being no show).  This sucks!

by remmis on 12/14/2007 12:21:45 PM EST

Sure looks like it might happen (none / 0)
Imo, Cenk has been acting like somebody whose show may be in danger. The sudden rash of requests for members, the creation of the new “producer level,” plus his mania for being right in all his predictions has come back with a vengeance, as if it’s going through his head “I’m so right about everything, how can I be canceled?” All that has had me wondering.

Re: drinking on the air.  Much worse (in the eyes of the FCC) has happened on the Post Game Show and “The Absolute Truth.”  The previous comment was correct, if it was Internet only. As Cenk would say, you can have sex with animals  on the NET if you want. If there is a suspension, I would say it would more likely have something to do with Cenk's comments about religion, which were pretty intense lately. (Not that I personally didn't enjoy them.) If it is asuspension, it would nice if we are given a specific explaination, rather than all the beating around the bush we got about the UTube incident.

Re Cenk going to MSNBC.  As Ben tried to tell Cenk (with kid gloves), he stunk the last time he was on Oberman.  Rachel M , Sam Cedar, and other ARAs have been on.  Cenk was DOA at MSNBC.

Don’t read too much into nothing being posted on the web site about why no show again today.  That’s pretty much par for the course.

IMO what Cenk needs is another permanent host to replace Ben.  As much as I like Cenk, and still listen regularly, he really needs somebody to counter weight his big ego and occasionally over the top, unsubstantiated opinions.  Like Ben did, but of course, different too. Hope it’s not too late.

by winsor on 12/14/2007 12:46:52 PM EST

A New Co-Host (none / 0)
the ideal co-host would be less about controlling the ego (which I generally find charming and amusing) for me.

I would LOVE to have a co-host that challenges Cenk on the conservative economic/trade issues (after all, *most* progressives, myself included, think those issues are critical).  that's on top of being well informed and entertaining of course.

Honestly, that's pretty much my only complaint with TYT. 

Granted, I started listening at the tail end of Ben's era, so I'm not sure if Ben filled that role or not(?).  It seems like Cenk doesn't discuss those domestic issues m uch (probably because he realizes the relatively conservative positions wouldn't play well with most AAR listeners), at least not even as close as often as talk of foreign policy and constitutional issues. 

by ihavenobias on 12/14/2007 01:16:10 PM EST

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I'm almost certain (none / 0)
the drinking started on the air just before the regular show ended and continued on the post game show.  I doubt it has anything to do with the religion comments.

I agree that Cenk needs a co-host.  The best shows these days are when he has Christy, Wes or Sam Seder on with him. 

by heavydavyd on 12/14/2007 01:18:40 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Michael Savage (none / 0)
Maybe some crazy Savage listeners called in some threats or something. 

If the guy does have 8 million (let's say realistically FOUR MILLION) listeners, they are mostly crazy like he is, and very pissed that this is, what, at least the third time that TYT has (correctly) mocked him?

This last time was the worst...incredibly humiliating information (the book, suicidal/homosexual thoughts, etc.).  A lawsuit maybe?

I really doubt it but I figured I'd throw it in.

by ihavenobias on 12/14/2007 01:23:36 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Blaming this on Michael Savage? (none / 0)
You must be as crazy as he is.

If any organization was responsible for the demise of TYT it was Clinton Inc.

Cenk goes after Hillary on a daily basis. That's about as conducive to longevity as running over John Gotti's son. You Democrats have no idea of the disaster you're trying to impose upon America.

I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner.

I will continue listening to the Young Turks, wherever they broadcast from next.

by KenTX on 12/14/2007 10:52:16 PM EST

[ Parent ]
You couldn't resist (none / 0)
taking a jab, could you?

I ended my post by basically saying I DON'T think it's Savage related. I was just thinking out loud and the only reason the idea even came to my head was the recent YouTube suspension caused by Prince, MLB and Copperfield (i.e. if the right people complain there can be consequences).


In that context was it THAT outrageous to half-heartedly suggest (especially considering the inflammatory nature of the most recent clip and the insanity/anger of the guy)?

by ihavenobias on 12/14/2007 11:05:39 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Now I am curious (none / 0)
exactly what disaster are you talking about Ken?

by z1p101 on 12/14/2007 11:09:07 PM EST

[ Parent ]
The Hillary meltdown (none / 0)
will avert the looming Hillary disaster.

She will not be defeated by Barack Obama, but she will suffer a major setback in Iowa and NH.

This will open the door to Al Gore. I'm not kidding. Gore is the only candidate who makes any sense as a nominee.

by KenTX on 12/15/2007 02:35:23 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Dude c'mon (none / 0)

now you are looking out for the Democrats best interests? Gore likes his new life out side of politics.

You said this

"You Democrats have no idea of the disaster you're trying to impose upon America."

At least show me a little respect.

by z1p101 on 12/15/2007 03:15:18 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I don't get it? (none / 0)
"At least show me a little respect."

That sentence has me confused. Maybe it's just another NJ-TX communication disconnect?

Bill Clinton spent eight years in office, and you would be hard pressed to come up with any achievements that weren't a direct result of a GOP-controlled Congress.

This country has had a Clinton or a Bush working in the White House since 1980. Do we really want to keep this thing going for THIRTY SIX YEARS? Can't we find someone else out of 300 million Americans besides a Bush or a Clinton?

Do you think Republicans are not going to make much of this during a "change" election that is about the future of America?

Al Gore would make a good president. Even Republicans will secretly admit this. The only thing that qualifies Hillary Clinton is that her husband is a former president. This won't sell with the American people. It's not even selling with Democrats. People hate the bitch.

If there was a stronger candidate in the field, Hillary would already be gone. Hear me now and believe me later, Al Gore is going to step in and take the nomination.

Now then. It's your turn. What do you think about President Hillary Rodham Clinton?

by KenTX on 12/15/2007 03:53:01 AM EST

[ Parent ]
What do I think? (none / 0)

Gore is enjoying his rock star status and does not want to be a politician again.

"Bill Clinton spent eight years in office, and you would be hard pressed to come up with any achievements that weren't a direct result of a GOP-controlled Congress."

I believe Bill was all about NAFTA. Wasn't there this person named Perot who ran against this idea and stole the election from Republicans or that is what I am told. Truth is Bill was way right of W clown.

Hillary is the most righty of all the likely contenders. C'mon Ken, you really do not believe that anyone in Washington has any intent on making a single payer health care whatever plan a reality, do you? What are you going to do? Shut down a multi billion dollar a year industry down over night or ever? You are smarter than that I hope. You are a Limbaugh Republican and you should understand by now the concept of empty promises by politicians.

The best chance your tax cuts have is with Hillary. Mitt and Rudy have no idea of this concept. These are Northern Republicans and take it from a Northerner, there is a difference.

by z1p101 on 12/15/2007 04:19:20 AM EST

[ Parent ]
You missed something (none / 0)
"The best chance your tax cuts have is with Hillary. Mitt and Rudy have no idea of this concept. These are Northern Republicans and take it from a Northerner, there is a difference."

I recognize the difference. But the winner of the 2008 election with have coat-tails that will pull in a like-minded Congress. Mitt or Rudy will sign what a GOP-controlled Congress lands on his desk.

Similarly, Hillary would sign what a Democrat-controlled Congress sends her.

This makes my choice very, very, very easy.


by KenTX on 12/15/2007 04:32:24 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Eh (none / 0)

With all the Republicans retiring due to the Bush embarrassment, I doubt the Republicans will take congress.

Like I said, when the only hope the Republicans have for the White House lyes in the hands of the two biggest liberals in the party, you know people are voting left. 

by z1p101 on 12/15/2007 09:20:02 AM EST

[ Parent ]
It's ironic (none / 0)
Most conservatives HATE Hillary so much for being the most liberal candidate while most progressives don't like her because the opposite is true.

Booming Big Business, Un-Fair Trade and Tax Cuts (the Holy Trinity of the fiscal conservative) have the best chance of thriving under Hillary, at least *relative* to how they would do under ANY other democratic candidate.

If I was a republican (that wasn't sexist), I'd be rooting for Clinton. 

Which reminds me, I never understood why cons hated Bill so much considering he was so much more big business, free trade friendly (way, way TOO friendly IMO)...hell, the guy even "reformed" (euphamism for eliminate, or in this case reduced) welfare.

As I and others love to put it, Bill Clinton was the best republican president we've ever had (although in my mind Teddy R. has to be in the discussion and maybe Eisenhower).  That would explain why, for example, Cenk loves him so much.

by ihavenobias on 12/15/2007 12:59:14 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Cenk withdrawal (none / 0)
Damn, I miss the big lug!! Cenk, where are you?
Why won't they tell us anything?!! WHY!!
Sorry, I'll take some deep breaths and try not to worry.

by wrenny on 12/14/2007 12:51:57 PM EST

Proabaly not fired... (none / 0)

It occured to me after my last post.  IF TYT was canceled by ARA, the classic way to handle it would be to do it right after the show today (Friday), not yesterday.

Seems more likely:

1. Cenk has the flu 

2. He was suspended

3. He resighned over an issue with ARA management.

 

 

by winsor on 12/14/2007 01:07:23 PM EST

This morning (none / 0)

at 2:30am my affiliate KPOJ was dark. The carrier was on but no content. About 2:45 a replay of yesterday's Randi Rodes show began. Note that this is before TYT is scheduled.

So there could be problems at AAR, maybe TYT is locked out. Hope we hear something - Christy, for example, does she know anything? She's not directly related to AAR.
 

 

by MayorHardin on 12/14/2007 01:11:01 PM EST

AAR web site looks normal. (none / 0)
AAR web site looks normal.  Randi R's show is listed as a repeat.

by winsor on 12/14/2007 01:24:58 PM EST

Cenk's absence (none / 0)

I hate it when this happens.  Cenk is my favorite AAR host. I'm of the left coast so I have to get up uber early to listen and then watch the rebroadcast later in the day.

If they cancelled him, I'm hoping he'll keep broadcasting on the website.  Why doesn't AAR buy a little advertising? Early on, Randi had a Billboard in Times Square.  They need to buy either some national TV slots or go into their local markets with billboards and busboards.  Many people here in Seattle don't even know Air America exists in this city!   

by blarsen on 12/14/2007 02:02:01 PM EST

A few comments... (none / 0)
To the poster who was commenting about Cenk's "current"  passion about being right - how long have you been listening? Cenk has been like that since his New Jersey cable TV show. Not a put down, mind you, just an observation.

It is perfectly obvious to me what is happening. Cenk had an epipheny after Wednesday's show and joined the Turkish Army to protect the border from invading Kurds. Being Cenk, and not wanting to get too far away from a TV during fantasy football season, he will, of course, be stationed just south of San Diego, and has already predicted that he will prevent any PKK members from crossing the border and raising havoc. The rest of the crew went along to film his exploits (with terrific song interludes approximately every eight minutes).

As a bonus for members, there will be additional footage of Cenk keeping Iran at bay with nothing more than a six-pack, an Asian hooker, and some poker chips - all while relaxing comfortably at an I-Hop. Not a single Iranian will pass his post on their way to unraveling the World's Biggest Ball of String in their effort to demoralize America. He will stand - well, okay, sit - his ground with all the dignity and pride he can muster...with syrup running down his chin...

Go Forward! All seek ta fook ta hooga!! - or whatever it is that barbarian says. 

Woot.

by MedfordTim on 12/14/2007 02:04:04 PM EST

A little inside info I haven't seen mentioned... (none / 0)
Cliff Schecter said on his blog (http://cliffschecter.braven ewfilms.org/) that he was supposed to be on Thursday, in studio for the whole hour, for republican sexcapades.  But he later posted that it was canceled due to "technical problems".  He still said he was supposed to be on Friday though so...  ?  I have no idea.  It makes me feel a little better that he didn't say they were canceled or anything though. 
But I hope they get Ben to reschedule whenever they do come back.

by Spencer on 12/14/2007 02:09:30 PM EST

Bummed...no TYT fix again (none / 0)
The first thing that popped into my head affter two no-shows is maybe J.R. had bolted because of Cenk's (right-on) anti-religion comments Tuesday.  I figured maybe J.R. (who was missing on Wednesday's show, I believe) got so offended, he left, taking some of the expertise necessary to keep the show in motion.

But I have to admit, the beer-on-air scenario is probably more likely.

Sure wish Cenk would post something on the web-site to stop rumor-mongers like myself.

TYT and Hartmann are the only two shows I listen to regularly (Maddow and Sedar are also listened to on occasion here.)  How anyone can stomach the current Rhodes is beyond me.  Eventhing seems to be about "I told you" and "listen to me"...way too personal.  Seems the only ones allowed to speak to her are the ones who first bow to her and tell her how great she is.  She didn't used to be that way.

by lanny on 12/14/2007 03:22:17 PM EST

Probably technical problems? (none / 0)
Nobody has yet mentioned (maybe no one has noticed) that the most recent video clip on the site was posted early Thursday evening.  So with no show Thursday morning then a video post talking about the MLB steroid news with Jayar in the co-pilot's seat and then no show on Friday what can that mean?  It seems like the most likely explanation is technical problems.  It seems odd thogh that they would not have given some explanation by now or broadcast something on the internet (though contractual obligations with AAR may prevent them from broadcasting an actual full length show).
I usually listen late at night to the previous mornings show as it streams and sometime before I got all the way through Wednesday's show  (early Thursday morning) the video stream crashed.  This also happened either last week or the week before and there was no stream of the show for the last couple days of the week and the whole weekend if I remember correctly.  I can't speak however as to whether there was a show on air.

by nfc on 12/14/2007 04:06:33 PM EST

I was a DJ. I know FCC regulations. (none / 0)
"I don't think the old FCC rule about drinking on the air referred to RADIO.   How could the FCC confirm that you were drinking on the radio (before webcasts existed)?  Anyway, I think that rule was lifted - I've seen Conan and Letterman drink on the air (or pretend to)."

You're confusing two rules.  One was about CENSORSHIP.  That was why it was against FCC regs to drink on TV. Why Archie Bunker always drank from a can and it was never real beer.

As a DJ on the public airways, you are required to have an FCC LICENSE.  (I know.  I had one for 3 years.)  The license specifically requires no alcohol or illegal drugs while on air.  That's why Kris LoPresto (K-Lo, the CostCo Ho, to you old Morning Sedition fans) blew a gasket when Rachel wanted a drink while still on the air.  She could have lost her license, maybe WWRL's.

And Cenk KNEW this and that's why he didn't have the beer until the post-game show. He freaking said so.  When he saw the beer he said he'd have it after the main show.

It's the diffence between being the OPERATOR of the program rather than just being talent.  Carola and Kimmel can have a beer on the air because they have a producer and a director who can CUT them, if they have to.

Though Cenk has Jayar and Rachel has K-Lo and they're really more talent than operators, I don't think the FCC really makes that distinction.

It's super easy to get an FCC license and there are really very few restrictions beyond censorship issues.  You have to be able to speak and hear.  A biggie is misidentifying the station.  Failing to identify the station properly at the top of the hour.

My college station pulled a real dusey.  Legend has it, back in the 70s, the station was only 15 watts.  You couldn't get it even on the wrong side of the DORMS.  So someone took a cable and connected the antenna to the TRAIN TRACKS.  This turned a 15 W station into a 2000 W station.

That's about the biggest FCC infraction humanly conceivable.  The FCC shut it down for about a year.

by sunsawed on 12/15/2007 01:33:31 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Wrong response (none / 0)
It should be to the comments BELOW.

by sunsawed on 12/15/2007 01:41:18 AM EST

[ Parent ]
FCC Licenses (none / 0)

I'm sure when TYT moved from just being the Interwebs and Sirius (which doesn't use the public airwaves) to AAR, being broadcast over the public airwaves everyone involved with the show, including the crew which didn't say much back in the Cenk/Ben/Jill days ALL had to get FCC licenses.

So NONE of them could drink or use drugs while on the air.  You probably could INTERVIEW someone drunk or high (Lord knows Howard Stern probably has.), but as a broadcaster you can't. 

by sunsawed on 12/15/2007 01:47:50 AM EST

[ Parent ]
My 22 Cents (or Cenks) on TYT, Inc. (none / 0)

A few thoughts re: this thread:

I don't think the old FCC rule about drinking on the air referred to RADIO.   How could the FCC confirm that you were drinking on the radio (before webcasts existed)?  Anyway, I think that rule was lifted - I've seen Conan and Letterman drink on the air (or pretend to). 

I agree with the comments about frustration due to the lack of communication from TYT.  This has been a complaint of mine for several years and the reason I joined/cancelled twice.  There was also no consistency in the availability of the show downoads which was very annoying.   Considering the poor service, I found price to be expensive - considering that I could get XM for a couple dollars more a month or Stephanie Miller for half the price or a subscription to yahoo music with 500,000 songs for 7 bucks a month.  I get the feeling that this pricing is an extension of Cenk's ego. I'd like to support TYT, but I expect the service to run smoothly. (I will not be ignored!)   And if the business was well run (so much for the Wharton degree) I would feel a lot better about forking over a buck-twenty per year. 

 That all said, I love TYT and have rarely missed a show since back when they were on Sirius (I have a dusty Sirius radio in my basement that I bought specifically so I could listen to Cenk, Ben, and Jill--that team has sure been pared down.)  Sometimes it scares me how much I think like Cenk (politically).  His slamming of the pathetically impotent Democrats is so right.  The nice thing about listening to progressive radio is that I listen to hear people who think, not to hear people telling me what to think like the right wingnuts all do.

 I hope everything is okay -- I'm always ready to forgive TYT for all transgressions and I cannot imagine what it would be like not to listen every morning.  Cenk has be especially funny in the past couple weeks.

Pete in Maine

Yes it's cold and it keeps snowing..... 

 

 

 

 

by CooLikeABird on 12/14/2007 04:33:40 PM EST

Drinking on the show? (none / 0)

 I don't think that has anything to do with it. Did you ever watch THE MAN SHOW? The hosts and the audience are chugging beer for the entire show, guests too.

I emailed Cenk and AAR early this morning, but still no reply. I'll give them another 24 hours and then I'm cancelling my membership.

It's a shame, they are the reason I got XM Radio in the first place. What would it take to post something to let us know what's going on. 

by al92lt1 on 12/14/2007 05:01:34 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Whatever is happening (none / 0)
I'm sure that someone at TYT would have given an answer by now if they could or knew. I bet they can't talk for some legal reason or they are not sure yet.

by z1p101 on 12/14/2007 05:11:55 PM EST

Let us know (none / 0)
    They could post on My Space or You Tube if they can't post here.

by al92lt1 on 12/14/2007 05:25:28 PM EST

[ Parent ]
No (none / 0)
That may cause them to have legal problems with AAR or they may not want to say anything until they are sure.

by z1p101 on 12/14/2007 05:42:59 PM EST

[ Parent ]
The Repercussions of IHOP (none / 0)
I think all those pancakes finally caught up to the big guy and he's probably been stuck on the bowl for the last couple days....

I'm sure if it's anything serious, someone will post something this weekend.  But just in case TYT - "Ready your breakfast and eat hearty... For next week, we dine in hell!"

by rev24 on 12/14/2007 06:49:49 PM EST

Recent YouTube clips (none / 0)
Looks like they were in studio today and yesterday.  Maybe it's an AAR thing since all the clips have the TYT logo and not the usual AAR backdrop.  I'll stop myself from speculating and wish the best for now...

by rev24 on 12/14/2007 07:05:15 PM EST

[ Parent ]
anything (none / 0)
Could be anything. A person shows up for work 20 minutes late, and management freaks out. Hasn't everyone seen stuff like that happen before..

by acroso on 12/14/2007 08:21:43 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Turks FIRED!!! (none / 0)

I think the Turks were canned from Air America.

And not for stupid drinking.  It's because Cenk has been critical of DEMOCRATS.  AAR has become partisan SHILLS.  They can't tolerate criticism, even if it's from the Left.

Even Rachel's going to have to watch her ass.  After Hillary is annointed Fearless Leader, anyone who doesn't WORSHIP her is going to be in BIG TROUBLE. 

And you thought AAR was about bring DIVERSITY and BALANCE to Talk Radio.  Dream on! 

Oh, if you go to Air America.com and click on The Young Turks link, it's DEAD, just refreshes the Home Page.  And Cenk's name was lifted from the Air America Cruise's page as a speaker.

by sunsawed on 12/14/2007 07:16:43 PM EST

true about the link and the roster on the cruise (none / 0)
Yup ..
the link is dead on AAR
TYT have been removed from the roster on the cruise

The background on the video says TYT not AAR

Things are looking like maybe Cenk will be net only  for a bit?

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/14/2007 07:28:27 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Stick a fork in it (none / 0)

it's done.

Never should have left sirius radio for a company that is a dysfuncional as AAR.

by z1p101 on 12/14/2007 09:57:28 PM EST

[ Parent ]
It figures (none / 0)
That pic/image isn't showing up for me.  What is it?

by ihavenobias on 12/14/2007 10:22:42 PM EST

[ Parent ]
A steak (none / 0)
with a fork in it.

by z1p101 on 12/14/2007 10:52:55 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I don't think so. (none / 0)

They built a much huger audience and Sirius wouldn't let them do what they wanted with their website or pay them what they were worth.

There is some chance they could stay on a lot of the stations they are on and wright their own deal.

Don't get me wrong I LOVED the Sirius shows but they had to try something.   I am sure if they had to they could get back on sat radio.  After Sirius lost AAR and TYT there wasn't crap to listen to anyway and I bet that hasn't changed. 

Imagine 4 hours on sirius 3 of which are simulcast to commercial radio and the last hour is the sat only no holds barred hour. That would be awesome.

by loner on 12/14/2007 11:50:46 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Exactly (none / 0)

What do you think they are trying to do now if AAR has canceled them? Trying to work out private deals that is what. I have listened to AAR and watched what they do business wise and I am convinced that company has no idea what they are doing when it comes to radio and how to be successful in the business.

Hopefully for the TYT they can cut a deal privately and hopefully step on AAR's toes in the process. 

by z1p101 on 12/15/2007 12:33:04 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I hope so (none / 0)

At this point I hope AAR goes belly up.  I think the shows that don't suck could resign with a lot of the same stations that have a ready made audience for leftish talk.

AAR seems to keep making one bad move after another despite having the most favorable conditions for their success. 

Why has snatching defeat from the jaws of victory become the way of the left? 

 

 

 

 

by loner on 12/15/2007 12:51:16 AM EST

[ Parent ]
By the way (none / 0)
Am I the only one who can never get the AAR website radio stream to work correctly?  It streams for maybe thirty seconds and then cuts out every time.  This has been the case regardless of what computer I use, what OS or any other variable.

by jarett on 12/15/2007 01:40:36 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Nope (none / 0)
it's not you. Their stream sucks 95% of the time.

by z1p101 on 12/15/2007 02:04:58 AM EST

[ Parent ]
AAR Stream (none / 0)

The stream was screwing up for me for a while when I would use WMP in either Firefox or IE. I switched to the Real Player stream, and it works just fine. A couple of days ago, I noticed that it was working fine enough again with WMP in Firefox.

Either way, I just noticed the new Republican Sexcapades, and the clip on how the Dems are the worst party ever. Since they clearly have been in the studio at times, Cenk is clearly not sick and they should definatly notice how big this thread is, they probably can't, or feel it's best not to comment on it at this time.

That's my Maddenism for the day. 

by babaganoosh13 on 12/15/2007 09:26:32 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Good streams (none / 0)

iTunes stream has been good lately. Download iTunes. Go to Radio / Talk/Spoken Word / Air America. TYT show is good on some subsidiaries.

Play in WMP. Find link from main page using SeaMonkey or Firefox: View:  Page Info:  Media Tab: search for item type "Embed" and select it:  Right-click or Control-click to copy, then paste the link in WMP 'Open URL' field or in browser location bar. Works for most streams, any media type with plugins loaded.

by zenie on 12/15/2007 01:19:49 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Found Dave Koehler's number online (none / 0)

I was surfing the web looking for any other info about The Young Turks being MIA and I randomly found Dave Koehler's cell number.  It was listed on  an email posted by Radiopower.org.  I guess they're pissed about their previous relationship...

 Anyways, I called and he answered.  I didn't have the balls to ask him what was up, but maybe someone else will?  If you search for The Young Turks off air?  You'll find his email messages with RadioPower.org.

This is what happens when you're snowed in on a Friday night... 

 

 

 

by bradley on 12/14/2007 07:54:57 PM EST

Out-fucking- rageous! (none / 0)
Who the hell do you think you ARE???

Tracked down his phone number and CALLED him? And you are encouraging others to do rhe same? You frakin' bastard! What are you, a collections agent?

I know Dave is too gracious and nice to say anything, but I'M not, ya prick! You ought to be ashamed to the point of glowing red! Just because you hear his name over a radio, that doesn't give you the right to intrude on his personal life. You don't know him. You're not on his Christmas card list. You crossed a line that is usually only crossed by the likes of O'Reilly.

Some people shouldn't be allowed to play with shiny objects.

In case I've been too subtle...WE ARE NOT AMUSED!

You want to ask Dave something, send him an e-mail. He'll respond if and when he can. DON'T FREAKIN' CALL PEOPLE OR SHOW UP ON THEIR DOORSTEP.

by MedfordTim on 12/14/2007 10:27:13 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Sorry Tim (none / 0)
I'll never call you again. :>)

by KenTX on 12/14/2007 10:37:42 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Ken (none / 0)
if this all ends let me know where you are going so the fun can continue.

by z1p101 on 12/14/2007 11:00:53 PM EST

[ Parent ]
try Town Hall .. (none / 0)
I have a great idea.. why dont you to go now. Why wait?? But dont go to the lib sights. They dont play nice with the trolls.. he may cry

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/14/2007 11:07:36 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Dude (none / 0)
relax, will ya?

by z1p101 on 12/14/2007 11:14:31 PM EST

[ Parent ]
is this relaxed enough? (none / 0)
Dude.. go fuck yourself will ya?

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/15/2007 01:39:47 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Aww (none / 0)
Mad at me too? You need some anger management classes.

by z1p101 on 12/15/2007 02:07:03 AM EST

[ Parent ]
You need to mind your own fucking business (none / 0)
  1. Im not mad at anyone
  2. I cant stand trolls especially that gay bashing moron
  3. defend him.. you are just as bad as he is
  4. you want to tell me what to do?  Then you should be willing to see what I want you to do.

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/15/2007 02:35:32 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I do not defend anyone (none / 0)

but I defend everyone. This is a blog and here they are very loose with the rules. You can say what you want, Ken can say what he wants and I can say what I want.

If you want to be like a conservative who thinks that people who do not think like you do should be censored then go somewhere that  applies that philosophy.

As far as minding my own buisness goes, I do believe you posted in responce to my post (my piece of thread) so go fuck yourself.

by z1p101 on 12/15/2007 02:50:40 AM EST

[ Parent ]
This is a good idea. (none / 0)
Just in case we log onto TYT next week and find the website has been shut down, we should probably try to develop an alternate plan.

Any nominations for a political website that allows both wingnut conservatives and moonbat liberals to post opinions with a minimum of censorship?

Leeberal, we'll look to your guidance on this issue since you have a somewhat broader web perspective than the rest of us. Furthermore, you have more at stake, because if you can't insult TYT forum participants on a daily basis, you're going to have trouble readjusting to normal life where you actually have to interact with real people.

by KenTX on 12/15/2007 02:46:04 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Don't know (none / 0)

where else are we going to get away with what we do here?

In most places, both sides want to sensor the opposition, that is what makes this board unique in my experience.

by z1p101 on 12/15/2007 02:56:40 AM EST

[ Parent ]
guess you dont get out much (none / 0)
There are  trolls on lots of lib /dem sights.. but on those  they are called trolls and treated as such. They are not banned  or censored. Life would be a little to rough for your buddy .

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/15/2007 02:13:09 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Thanks to Tiny (none / 0)
"There are  trolls on lots of lib /dem sights.. but on those  they are called trolls and treated as such."

When I first started posting here I was called much worse than a troll, and I was treated very badly.

But after some time, and many posts, the forum came to appreciate a different point of view. It became more like a political dialogue than a like-minded echo chamber.

We started having a conversation about the issues we disagreed with. The was understanding. There was peace in the valley.

And then you came along.

Thanks to you, we now know what a true liberal looks like. The net result is that many forum participants are considering becoming conservative. 

by KenTX on 12/15/2007 06:18:22 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Go to Democratic Underground (none / 0)
You are insult peoples inteligence with every post

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/15/2007 02:07:24 PM EST

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I was about (none / 0)
to post something similar (minus the harsh language).  No one should be calling anybody. 

by ihavenobias on 12/14/2007 10:58:32 PM EST

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Harsh? (none / 0)
Damn. It's a good thing I didn't say how I REALLY felt... ;-)

by MedfordTim on 12/14/2007 11:35:08 PM EST

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Bradley (none / 0)
Bradley- go to Wes's house tonight. He wants to tell people what happend.

by acroso on 12/14/2007 11:10:50 PM EST

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hahahaha (none / 0)
I lol'd.

by jarett on 12/15/2007 01:43:23 AM EST

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ya (none / 0)
Just show up anytime of night, Wes doesn't mind.

by acroso on 12/15/2007 01:59:10 AM EST

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Wes (none / 0)
He says no need to knock, just wonder around until you find the unlocked door, open window, whatever.

by acroso on 12/15/2007 02:00:02 AM EST

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I literally lol'ed on this one (none / 0)
I can't believe anyone has ever actually lol'ed, but I did on this Wes comment. That was seriously funny.

I do not recommend this as the best way to get information on what's happening.

by Cenk on 12/15/2007 04:10:39 PM EST

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How did he put it? (none / 0)
"If you come into my home, you are taking your life into your hands, and I WILL chop your head off with a machete!"

Something like that.  

Comedy gold.

by jarett on 12/16/2007 03:43:19 AM EST

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DOUCHE BAG (none / 0)

It's one thing you did it but to encourage everyone and give them the means is just wrong. 

 

TYT didn't beat your dog they have been off the air for 2 days under trying  circumstances.

by loner on 12/14/2007 11:42:11 PM EST

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The Mystery continues... (none / 0)

The absence of the Turks is odd.  I have been following the posts here all day, was really looking forward to listening today.  I just noticed, right after someone posted that they put up a vid with the TYT logo instead of the Air America logo- a new vid was posted with the Air America logo.  I feel like Nancy Drew over here.  "The Case of the Missing Cenk"  I hope all is well and everybody over there is safe.  I love this show, it introduced me to politics and I have been listening since they were on Radio Power like 3 years ago. I've probably only missed like 6-8 shows in that time.  I agree with one of the previous posters, this show is the best thing on Air America by far.  All the rest are grandstanders with no real "meat", no discussion of the nitty gritty.  Unfortunately I have been subscribing to The Turks through Air America, because its convienient.  If I find out they cancelled my Turks tho, I'll never pay them another dime.  Everybody out there who is reading this and cares about the show it looks like we may have to pony up and become members to keep these guys on.  Think of it like donating to PBS. If PBS was a swarthy foul mouthed politic spoutin' Turk named Cenk.  Hang in there guys-les see what happens.

Piece,

Sean 

by Iyouwe on 12/14/2007 08:09:42 PM EST

Just Joined (none / 0)

based on the lack of shows.  It's a message to the Greens.

by Fernando on 12/14/2007 08:40:13 PM EST

I'm surprised (none / 0)
no one has responded to Cenk's new editorial "Where Are Our Leaders When We Need Them?" with "Where Are Our Talk Show Hosts When We Need Them?"

At any rate, I hope the answer is "ready to return Monday with another awesome show".

by ihavenobias on 12/14/2007 11:24:12 PM EST

Whatever happens (none / 0)

they are working their asses off to get through to the other side and we don't need to know what it is untill they figure it out.

I don't mind being in the dark if it's because they are in full out scramble mode. 

It would be nice to know for sure to focus our wrath an AAR and start harrasing people to carry the show but oh well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

by loner on 12/14/2007 11:58:54 PM EST

Rut roh (none / 0)
Notice that on their latest YouTube clips - it says TYT on the monitors rather than AirAmerica. I wish they'd tell us what's up.

by Randomambusher on 12/15/2007 12:34:25 AM EST

Drinking (none / 0)
First it was after show that is only to members. This would make no sense, I’m sure the Office X-Mass party will have Alcohol. I signed up for the Feb 2008 Cruise and Cenk is a speaker for Air America. We all know Dave doesn't like TV so this could be why Video not up on Friday......Just kidding Dave

by army193 on 12/15/2007 01:17:07 AM EST

been removed (none / 0)
Cenk had been removed from the list of hosts on the cruise websight last time I looked.

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/15/2007 01:31:15 AM EST

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cruise? (none / 0)
I don't remember Cenk ever being on the lineup for the cruise....  and why wouldn't he of said anything on the show???

by rev24 on 12/15/2007 02:56:21 PM EST

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ask him why? (none / 0)
He was listed now hes not..

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/15/2007 03:09:38 PM EST

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They Replaced Cenk with Hightower (none / 0)
Jim Hightower took Cenk Place this is BullShit. I want my money back

by army193 on 12/15/2007 04:09:54 PM EST

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Where did you hear/read this? (none / 0)
Where did you hear that? 

by ihavenobias on 12/15/2007 04:31:35 PM EST

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Also (none / 0)
What is this "3-5AM" crap I see on the AAR website?  Why is TYT only two hours on the web stream?  Has this always been the case?

by jarett on 12/15/2007 01:46:11 AM EST

Weekend schedule? (none / 0)
I think they have always had a weird weekend listing.  Don't visit the AAR site enough to know for sure.

by loner on 12/15/2007 02:13:09 AM EST

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Yea but.. (none / 0)
AAR is only listing "the best of" TYT shows . When I clicked on the TYT link before. It was totally dead.  

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/15/2007 02:44:26 AM EST

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Did you notice (none / 0)
It also says "Best of Thom Hartmann" right above the best of TYT.

by ihavenobias on 12/15/2007 01:31:39 PM EST

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and? (none / 0)
So?

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/15/2007 01:50:44 PM EST

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Well (none / 0)
if the same issue you pointed out for TYT applies to Thom Hartmann on the AAR website, that might be relevant.

I thought that was clear?

by ihavenobias on 12/15/2007 02:06:42 PM EST

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I didnt get the relevence ... (none / 0)
Jarrett noticed it said 3 to 5 am   I posted back to him  its because its a "best Of " show .. it wont have the same schedule as the regular shows

I then posted that when I clicked on the link for the REGULAR show schedule..  the link was dead

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/15/2007 02:11:00 PM EST

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when in doubt blame it on Seder! (none / 0)
I hear Sam Seder's taken control of AAR's website.  Maybe he'll give us an update tomorrow on his Sunday show tomorrow.  Also the weekend lineup is always a little whacky...


by rev24 on 12/15/2007 02:52:37 PM EST

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nope (none / 0)

No it doesnt apply to Thom Hartman because Thom Hartman doesnt have a dead link when you click on it.. I clicked on everyones to see if it was just AAR site acting up.

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/16/2007 07:11:18 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Oh yea (none / 0)
Well I may be stupid but your a .... your a ..... your a poopyface.

by z1p101 on 12/15/2007 12:52:59 PM EST

moron (none / 0)
If I react like the troll then " Im as bad as him"  yet you defend him even though by your logic hes "bad"

THAT is stupid  get it?? moron

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/15/2007 01:58:47 PM EST

[ Parent ]
New Clear Channel ownership (none / 0)

How does Mitt Romney buying Clear Channel affect Air America subsidiaries?

Rupert Murdoch claimed that he wouldn't change the Times of London, and claims that he won't change the Wall Street Journal. He lied/lies.

Did Mitt's company make any promises about Clear Channel?

by zenie on 12/15/2007 01:25:53 PM EST

so (none / 0)

I just wrote a lengthy post in reply to Cenks post about the 3pm explanation.

 Im not going to repeat myself, but I hate AAR and all stuffy wimpy liberals that would rather lose than fight.

I just upgraded my standard membership to senior level producer.  At an average middle class salary its alot (100$ a month)  but it is totally worth it.

Cenk has given me political and moral clarity every single day for the past 18 months. 

If you care about the progressive agenda, and that people under the age of 60 keep the fight going then do what you must to keep Cenk on his pulpit somewhere in the media.

And to haters and punks that said the show was too immature, not boring enough, or that you love how correct republicans are when they call us weak.

"Be a man Stand up and Fight! " 

by charmcity on 12/17/2007 01:25:53 PM EST

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