Death of the Huckabee candidacy?

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I was wondering if this news was going to make it off the Huffington post into the mainstream media. It has, and that probably is the end of Huckabee as a candidate.

Read the Huffington post articles on this carefully. Apparently Republicans in Arkansas convinced Huckabee to push for the parole of a man convicted of rape because they claimed he was given a harsh sentence because one of his victims was a relative or friend of the Clinton's, or so the story goes. Aides and parole board members have confirmed that Huckabee pressed hard for the guy's release, saying he had been given a raw deal. Huckabee was warned in multiple letters from victims families that to release him would be a mistake and that he would probably rape again, one even suggested he might kill his next victim so that she would not be able to testify against him. He did, and he did. He raped and murdered another woman after his release. This is a fragmentary grenade in the Huckabee camp. I feel sure it will prove fatal in the end.
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Death of the Huckabee candidacy? | 35 comments (35 topical, 0 hidden)
Huck (none / 0)

He has posted from what I read of it a pretty reasonable immigration proposal presumably to counter some criticism of his candidacy form the right. I only breezed over it but didn't see anything too terribly offensive in it although there might have been a few loopholes- I'll have to look it over again sometimes.

The problem is no one trusts him just like no one trusts McCain. He'll be signing the DREAM act the first day of office no doubt. Both Huck and McCain have proven track records of lying to the people and going off on their own to do what the Democrats want despite campaign pledges\promises that they never intended to keep in the first place.

by acroso on 12/06/2007 04:48:13 PM EST

Huckleberry (none / 0)
Huckleberry is the only candidate in the GOP field who would lose to Hillary. I hope his candidacy is dead.

On the other hand, I don't think anyone in the GOP field could possibly defeat Al Gore. I hope his candidacy is dead also.

by KenTX on 12/06/2007 04:57:42 PM EST

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Hillary (none / 0)

I think Dems will probably beat just about anyone we put up in 08'.

I think it's more important to worry about finding a candidate who can maintain the Republican big tent coalition that we have. Meaning you can't put people like Huckabee who is a essentially a pro-life Democrat up and have half the GOP voting third party in a protest vote. Same goes for Giuliani and McCain.

 

by acroso on 12/06/2007 05:01:41 PM EST

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Fortunately, (none / 0)
you are batting 0.000 in predictions and prognostications.

George W Bush is not running in 2008.

The economy is rock solid. (Take it from a guy at the heart of American Free Enterprise.)

Democrats don't even want to talk about Iraq.

Democrats don't want to talk about illegal immigration.

Democrats don't want to talk about huge tax increases.

Democrats do want to talk about socializing medicine.

All we need to do is nominate a normal human being, and stand him up next to Hillary Clinton.

She is another Dukakis, Kerry, Mondale, Humphrey, McGovern loser. I have seen this before.

by KenTX on 12/06/2007 05:09:55 PM EST

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doubt (none / 0)

I don't think she's a good candidate. She's squeak by with 51-49 or 52 or so and end u winning.

I read over Huck’s plan, and it just makes him a lying flip-flopper. Going on about all this “Christian duty” and such regarding illegals when you’re governor and pandering to anything they want, and now deciding that you need to be “tough” on illegals demonstrates you’re an _______? (Fill in the blank with whatever fits)

Did he find a new bible verse on illegals this week? Or maybe he decided to start drinking the different type of Jesus juice that his Republican opponents in Arkansas drink?

by acroso on 12/06/2007 05:20:49 PM EST

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It makes me laugh (none / 0)

The only 2 Republican candidates that have a shot at the presidency make Hillary look like William F. Buckley.

Do you think the center for liberal moonbat studies will erect a statue of ole George W labeled "Our Hero" soon? 

by z1p101 on 12/07/2007 05:09:37 PM EST

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I really am mystified (none / 0)
as to why you think Al is so unbeatable.  I like him and all, but I don't know that he's as bulletproof as you appear to think he is.

by jarett on 12/06/2007 05:36:19 PM EST

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What's wrong with the DREAM Act? (none / 0)
It turns illegal immigrants into taxpaying citizens of the United States with an actual investment in being here rather than just sending money back to Mexico.

by jarett on 12/06/2007 05:34:41 PM EST

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DREAM (none / 0)

It gives illegal aliens can amnesty #1.

That should be avoided.

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#2 it gives illegal aliens, before they get amnesty (see #1), cheaper tuition than some legal citizens, namely out of staters.

The scenario is this. Out-of-state illegal aliens are paying cheaper tuition than "instate" legal citizens. When I say "instate" I mean instate ILLEGALLY.

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Right we still suffer from activist liberals on the S.C. that ruled that illegal aliens have a RIGHT to education in our country. Do they also have a right to health care here? A right to whatever the hell they want?

Not in my opinion, and certainly not in the constitution. We simply need to rid the S.C. of these vermin. 

by acroso on 12/06/2007 05:40:00 PM EST

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They're kids. Who cares? (none / 0)
"Amnesty" could add enormous amounts of money to income tax receipts and go a long way toward paying back the enormous debt George has racked up playing soldier in Iraq.

"Out-of-state illegal aliens are paying cheaper tuition than "instate" legal citizens. When I say "instate" I mean instate ILLEGALLY."

How does this work?  In-state is in-state.  If you're instate, get DREAMed, establish residency in, say, Oklahoma, and then go to Oklahoma State, how does that make them "out of state?"  Are you suggesting that DREAM would allow people who live in Texas to go to Berkeley at in-state CA tuition?  Because that would be eleven kinds of stupid.

by jarett on 12/06/2007 06:03:43 PM EST

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sry (none / 0)
In-state illegal aliens are paying cheaper tuition than out-of-state legal citizens. When I say "instate" I mean instate ILLEGALLY.

 That's how it should have read. The center piece of the DREAM act is to allow in-state illegal aliens with instate tuition rates.

That is unfair to legal out-of-state students who will be paying twice as much as their illegal alien counter parts.

You know....that pesky social security card getting in the way of using the pander programs that liberals designed.

by acroso on 12/06/2007 06:10:15 PM EST

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It's not unfair at all (none / 0)
An in-state resident is an in-state resident.  Their state taxes helped pay for the school; the out-of-state person's did not.  It's pretty simple.

by jarett on 12/06/2007 06:52:05 PM EST

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Why (none / 0)

They're not an "in-state" resident though. They're an illegal alien.

And they certainly aren't paying taxes unless they're using a somone's social security card illegally. 

by acroso on 12/06/2007 07:10:36 PM EST

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Many of them are (none / 0)
Also, there is sales tax.

Most of them are too poor to pay income tax.

by jarett on 12/06/2007 07:16:43 PM EST

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Taxes (none / 0)
And they certainly aren't paying taxes unless they're using a somone's social security card illegally.

They pay the same sales taxes as every other retail customer. They pay income taxes using Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers.

by Twba on 12/07/2007 01:29:31 AM EST

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Racist (none / 0)
Pure and simple....

by MRFred on 12/06/2007 08:29:52 PM EST

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S.C. (none / 0)

"We simply need to rid the S.C. of these vermin."

Racist? I was referring to liberal Surpeme Court justices!

 

by acroso on 12/06/2007 08:32:00 PM EST

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FU (none / 0)

No...SC aside your post show you are an intolerant moron incapable of rational though or original though for that matter:

We simply need to rid the S.C. of these vermin.

 Now you advocate murdering Supreme Court Justices....nice. You an Ann on a first name basis now?

by MRFred on 12/07/2007 10:31:29 AM EST

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murder? (none / 0)

No, we need a president committed to putting originalist judges on the court in 08'. We only need a couple more conservative S.C. justices to turn bad the tide of activist judges.

 A Democrat in 08' would be a move in the WRONG direction.

by acroso on 12/07/2007 01:52:07 PM EST

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sad and demented (none / 0)

"A Democrat in 08' would be a move in the WRONG direction."

Holy shit, you still think we're going in the right direction?  How totally deluded can one human being be? 

So what's the Republican slogan going to be?  How about:

Republicans '08, because we're not quite totally fucked...

 

Too long?  How about:

Republicans '08,  bend over again!

 

Or:

Republicans '08, then there's the annus! 

 

Amazing how you cons believe that the best way to fix the abysmal mess you've made is to elect more Republicans.

by bfaul on 12/07/2007 02:37:25 PM EST

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Slogan (none / 0)
U-Turn '08:  Get us the fuck outta here.

by OneHitKill on 12/09/2007 01:31:48 AM EST

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Not really (none / 0)

you can lobotomize the rest of the  Justices so the will be brain dead droolers like Thomas, Scalia Alito and Roberts...


by MRFred on 12/07/2007 03:04:55 PM EST

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love it (none / 0)
i love how repugs hole platform revolves around fear and racist rants.

by Bungle on 12/07/2007 06:53:46 PM EST

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From NRO the corner- awesome analysis by Jim Gerau (none / 0)

Huckabee: Force Behind My Rise in Polls Is 'Not Human'


"God's a big God," Huckabee continued. "If he wants us to continue to go and to fight the giants, we'll do that. You remember Jesus feeding the 5,000 with two fishes and five loaves. So, we're multiplying our money. Every dollar spends like a thousand and every prayer we get is like a million bucks."

 

Comparing effective use of campaign funds to a miracle? Cringe. Well, it's just the candidate's wife, it's not like Huckabee would say something like...

STUDENT: Recent polls show you surging... What do you attribute this surge to?

HUCKABEE: There's only one explanation for it, and it's not a human one. It's the same power that helped a little boy with two fish and five loaves feed a crowd of five thousand people. (Applause) That's the only way that our campaign can be doing what it's doing. And I'm not being facetious nor am I trying to be trite. There literally are thousands of people across this country who are praying that a little will become much, and it has. And it defies all explanation, it has confounded the pundits. And I'm enjoying every minute of them trying to figure it out, and until they look at it, from a, just experience beyond human, they'll never figure it out. And it's probably just as well. That's honestly why it's happening.

Wow. Huckabee's been endorsed by both Chuck Norris AND Jesus Christ.

Wow. Huckabee's been endorsed by both Chuck Norris AND Jesus Christ.

Dang. Here I was looking at poll numbers, advertising, and endorsements, when I should have been detailing and quantifying the "not human" factor in the race.

UPDATE: From Joe Carter, Huckabee's e-press guy:

Let me clarify, while Governor Huckabee endorses Jesus, he certainly isn't saying that Jesus endorses his candidacy.

Like most Christians, Governor Huckabee believes in giving God the credit for the blessings—particuarly the unexplainable good fortune—that come our way. That is all he was trying to say, as I'm sure, most people will recognize.

Readers can draw their own conclusions on Huckabee’s meaning. As you probably can guess, this rubs me the wrong way. If Huckabee’s rise in the polls is the result of a factor that is not human, how about the declining poll numbers of his rivals?

It reminds me of a comedian’s joke about football players who point to the sky and thank God and/or Jesus when they score a touchdown. Nobody ever hears a defender say, “well, I thought I had him covered pretty well, but then Jesus got in my way.”

12/06 01:20 PM

 

 

by acroso on 12/06/2007 05:32:57 PM EST

Huck (none / 0)
*sigh* as much as I don't want Huck to win, he may have just cemented his candidacy with this new immigration plan. There isn't anything wrong with it, and we all know he's lying, but that doesn't mean his plan on paper is a good plan.

by acroso on 12/06/2007 05:48:50 PM EST

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WTF is going on? (none / 0)
Is it just me, or was the original topic of this thread not even TOUCHED despite numerous responses?

At any rate, enjoy.

by ihavenobias on 12/06/2007 09:02:51 PM EST

No , your right (none / 0)
he resident troll hijacked your thread...as usuall.

by MRFred on 12/06/2007 09:42:43 PM EST

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Well, it wasn't *my* thread (none / 0)
and while it's not a big deal, I just think the local conservatives need to be called out on their BS.

If someone posted a story about Obama making a horrible decision for the worst kind of political reasons (something that directly cost lives) and one of us responded by discussing his health care plan, well, it'd be just as ridiculous.

by ihavenobias on 12/06/2007 09:46:46 PM EST

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bringing it back on topic (none / 0)

"is it just me, or was the original topic of this thread not even TOUCHED despite numerous responses?"

Thanks for noticing that.  I'm suspecting that it's an uncomfortable subject and changing the subject is how they deal with it.

Now back to the original topic: 

The most troubling part of the whole thing to me is this little snippet from an Arkansas Times article back in 2002.

“He [Huckabee] kept insisting that there was DNA evidence that has since exonerated Dumond, when that very much wasn’t the case,” recalled Long. “No matter that that wasn’t true … we couldn’t seem to say or do anything to disabuse him of that notion.”

In fact, there had never been any DNA testing in the Ashley Stevens case.
 

It's that statement: "we couldn’t seem to say or do anything to disabuse him of that notion” that bugs me so much.  This is typical of a certain mindset that's been screwing us over for the last several years.  That's the mindset of people who think they are right and know, "just because they know", regardless of the facts.

Know what I mean? 

God help us if this clown replaces the clown-in-chief. 

by bfaul on 12/07/2007 10:11:46 AM EST

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do as i say not as i do (none / 0)
Dukakis got sunk for doing something v ery similar ...but Dukakis was a Democrat.  I think this Huckabee incident will be another incident of do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do conservative shenanigans.

Clinton gets a hummer...impeach him.
Vitter gets freaky in a diaper...round of applause.

by mathcore on 12/06/2007 10:11:40 PM EST

fine with me (none / 0)
If Huckabee is swiftboated, won't bother us. Maybe God told him to pardon that guy. Did you ever think of that?

by acroso on 12/06/2007 10:14:22 PM EST

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Sure, you're joking (none / 0)
but she believes you.

by ihavenobias on 12/06/2007 10:28:08 PM EST

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not swiftboated (none / 0)

I don't think the term "swiftboated" applies here.  Huckabeeis is being "Chappaquidicked" .

by bfaul on 12/07/2007 09:08:17 AM EST

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Huck (none / 0)
huck

by acroso on 12/07/2007 05:09:38 PM EST

The Man From Hope (none / 0)
Hope Arkansas. Ever been there? It's not very impressive.

The only notable exports from Hope:

1. Giant watermellons.

2. Smooth politicians with an incredible line of bull.

3. Audacious men with giant egos.

Maybe lightening can strike twice.

by KenTX on 12/08/2007 03:19:29 PM EST

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