Huckster Tries To "Out Tancredo Tancredo" and thoughts on Ron Paul, CFR, SPP, and Bush/Cheney

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Hot off the presses is Huckster's new plan to deal with illegal immigration timed to distract from Romney's Mormon Speech (Buchanan gave the speech rave reviews). No one really knows if that is a smart thing or a dumb thing, but anyway. The plan was put forward to bloggers first to judge reaction to it before it is officially released. This is John Hawkins's criticism\praise for Huckabee's immigration plan that I found on rightwingnews.com.

Hawkings criticism is in italics.

 

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Huck's plan is modeled after a plan by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director of the Center for Immigration Studies who writes for NationalReview sometimes. He wrote a 10 point plan for dealing with illegal immigration on NR a while back, which are supposed to be reflected in Huckabee's plan.

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" 1. Build the Fence. Ensure that an interlocking surveillance camera system is installed along the border by July 1, 2010. Ensure that the border fence construction is completed by July 1, 2010. (If the fence is done quickly, I will be amazed and pleasantly surprised.)

2. Increase Border Patrol. Increase the number of border patrol agents. Fully support all law enforcement personnel tasked with enforcing immigration law.

3. Prevent Amnesty. Policies that promote or tolerate amnesty will be rejected. Propose to provide all illegal immigrants a 120-day window to register with the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services and leave the country. Those who register and return to their home country will face no penalty if they later apply to immigrate or visit; those who do not return home will be, when caught, barred from future reentry for a period of 10 years. (I never believe anyone who says that they're against amnesty unless they get specific. In this case, what Huckabee has said qualifies as getting specific. He would have a hard time backing down from this if he actually got into office). *idea behind this is so that people can take earned income and property out of the country without having it Confiscated, and so they have a legal way to leave*

4. Enforce the Law on Employers. Employment is the chief draw for most illegal immigrants and denying them jobs is the centerpiece of an attrition strategy. Impose steep fines and penalties on employers that violate the law. Institute a universal, mandatory citizenship verification system as part of the normal hiring process. Prevent the IRS and the Social Security Administration from accepting fraudulent Social Security numbers or numbers that don't match the employees' names.* (This is the single biggest key to stopping illegal immigration so it's nice to see Huckabee calling it the, "centerpiece of an attrition strategy."

5. Establish an Economic Border. Move toward passage of the FairTax. The FairTax provides an extra layer of security by creating an economic disincentive to immigrate to the U.S. illegally. (I like the FairTax, but the FairTax would probably take 70 Republican Senators to pass at the moment, so it's hard to get too excited about it.)

6. Empower Local Authorities. Promote better cooperation on enforcement by supporting legislative measures such as the CLEAR Act, which aims to systematize the relationship between local law and federal immigration officials. Encourage immigration-law training for police. Local authorities must be provided the tools, training, and funding they need so local police can turn illegal immigrants over to the federal authorities.

7. Ensure Document Security. End exemptions for Mexicans and Canadians to the US-VISIT program, which tracks the arrival and departure of foreign visitors. Since these countries account for the vast majority of foreigners coming here (85 percent), such a policy clearly violates Congress' intent in mandating this check-in/check-out system. Reject Mexico's "matricula consular" card, which functions as an illegal-immigrant identification card.

8. Discourage Dual Citizenship. Inform foreign governments when their former citizens become naturalized U.S. citizens. Impose civil and/or criminal penalties on American citizens who illegitimately use their dual status (e.g., using a foreign passport, voting in elections in both a foreign country and the U.S.). (It's about time that we started going this)

9. Modernize the Process of Legal Immigration. Eliminate the visa lottery system and the admission category for adult brothers and sisters of U.S. citizens. Increase visas for highly-skilled and highly-educated applicants. Expedite processing for those who serve honorably in the U.S. Armed Forces.

Improve our immigration process so that those patiently and responsibly seeking to come here legally will not have to wait decades to share in the American dream. Governor Huckabee has always been grateful to live in a country that people are trying to break into, rather than break out of. (Again, this is something that is long overdue and much needed. It's nuts to building a system that gives preference to unskilled workers over highly skilled workers and illegal aliens over people who come here legally. The system we currently have is not only unfair to US Citizens, it's unfair to the foreigners who love this country, play by the rules, and want to become Americans.)

*This policy will be drafted to comply with the final federal court decisions on this issue.

Note: This plan is partially modeled on a proposal by Mark Krikorian, Executive Director of the Center for Immigration Studies. (“Re: Immigration: Ten Points for a Successful Presidential Candidate,” National Review, May 23, 2005.)"

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Previously Hawkins had ranked Huckster as the single worst GOP candidate on immigration behind even Giuliani and the evil one himself- John McCain. He speaks high praise of his new plan however-although saying it's lacking a few important things, but taken as a whole it's pretty comprehensive, certainly better than anything Bush would ever put forward.

The problem in my opinion is his PRIOR record. As Wes says, look at what politicians do not what they say. There is a reason why Hawkins had him rated dead last on dealing with illegal immigration, and it was because of a disturbingly far left track record down in Arkansas where he said opponents in the house "didn't drink the same type of Jesus Juice as he did."

Huck's new plan reaks of pandering, and liberals will no doubt accuse him of doing just that while conservatives will wonder if they should trust him and whether or not he is serious about any of it or just wants votes.

 

AllahPundit says it rocks.

No word from Malkin yet. 

It doesn't really matter what they think though because GOD himself is fueling Huck's rise (apparently.) 

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Here's Bush and Fox negotiating the Security and Prosperity Partners Act, which is a continent-level dialogue with the stated purpose of providing greater cooperation on security and economic issues.

We didn't even know SPP existed until Jerome Corsi author of the "Late Great U.S.A. filed a freedom of information act and obtained 1000 pages disclosing the plans for this shadow government\North American Union. 

SPP is niether law nor treaty, it just exists.


"The Bush administration is trying to create the infrastructure of a new regional North American government in stealth fashion, under the radar and out of public view," Corsi claims. "Where is Congress, asleep at the wheel?"

Security and Prosperity Partners meeting 

I personally can't help but like the anti-Bush of the Republican field more and more. The Ron Paul supporters storming the Iowa GOP debate when they wouldn't let him speak was quite awesome. He is by far the best on issues of national sovereignty (this video sold me on Ron Paul more than ANY OTHER).

 

Amero 

 

He also is strongly opposed to the Amero, which is being pushed and will ideally be phased in after a McCain-Kennedy style amnesty and open borders plan eventually passes. Congress just signed some sort of Free Trade deal last week- just what this country needs..

"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is the American Branch of a society which originated in England... (and) ...believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established."
- Carroll Quigley, member of Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), mentor to Bill Clinton

 Paul correctly points out the the CFR is no more a conspiracy theory than neoconservatism and the weekly standard is just a conspiracy theory. They're real and they have an agenda of a global economy with a global governance.

Cheney used to be the executive director of the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) (scary video), a fact he kept secret to the public, so that is one way of explaining of Bush's love for open borders, international government, and unlimited Free Trade, but Bush himself is still trying to fullfill his father's mission of global government. Why has Bush devoted so much time throughout his 7 years on pissing off conservatives?

Conservatives have alywas criticized Bush for not leading with ideology and instead compromising to win political battles with Rush saying he's not a "movement leader" like Ronaldus Magnus was, but I think he does have ideology and it's that of globalism with neoconservatism tacked on.

 

Cheney 

 

"it's good to be back at the Council on Foreign Relations. As

Pete mentioned, I have been a member for a long time, and was actually director for some period of time. I never mentioned that when I was campaigning for re-election back home in Wyoming – (wry grin, audience laughter) – but it stood me in good "-Vice President Cheney

 Was Cheney selected as V.P. because of his commitment to CFR's vision of globalism\global governance?

No one was worse than Bush on sovereignty other than Clinton and eventually Bush 2. I don't remember voting for the candidate that promised us 40 million illegal aliens in our country, but that is what we have. The more I listen to him the more Paul makes sense.

 

Paul 

His Blimp is almost up! 

 

Official flight plan released. Ship to launch Monday December 10th from North Carolina so it can make it to Boston by for his TeaParty on the 15th of December where they will be pouring tea out of the blimp apparently.

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Acroso, your value to this forum is that you alert us to what is on the minds of moonbats everywhere. We don't have to go looking for this crap. You bring it to us.

The North American Union is a supranational organization, modeled on the European Union, that will soon fuse Canada, the United States, and Mexico into a single economic and political unit. The details are still being worked out by the countries' leaders, but the NAU's central governing body will have the power to nullify the laws of its member states. Goods and people will flow among the three countries unimpeded, aided by a network of continent-girdling superhighways. The US and Canadian dollars, along with the peso, will be phased out and replaced by a common North American currency called the amero.

If you haven't heard about the NAU, that may be because its plotters have succeeded in keeping it secret. Or, more likely, because there is no such thing. Government officials say a continental union is out of the question, and economists and political analysts overwhelmingly agree that there will not be a North American Union in our lifetimes.

by Twba on 12/07/2007 01:26:15 AM EST


Is the European Union and the Euro a moonbat theory too? Nafta and Cafta made up too?

by acroso on 12/07/2007 01:47:11 AM EST

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Not that acrsos will read this but. Republicans still are back at the resurrection, arguing religion for criss sakes....do you think that these people or any other rational individual would seriously consider a North American Union...please take your meds.

Don't worry, I understand that World Weekly News is coming back...more material.

by MRFred on 12/07/2007 10:40:20 AM EST

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Here are some links, articles and supporting policy papers from Bushco for you to check out...although as ususal it sounds as though you already have your mind made up... http://www.cfr.org/content/ publications/attachments/No rthAmerica_TF_final.pdf http://www.spp.gov/ http://www.kcsmartport.com/ pdf/SmtPrtOneRoute.pdf http://www.keeptexasmoving. com/ http://www.fina-nafi.org/en g/integ/corridors.asp?langu e=eng&menu=integ http://waterindustry.org/12 803.htm (Presidential order 12803 allowing all federal agencies to privatise ANY asset of the federal government i.e highways, prisons, etc...) http://www.state.gov/r/pa/p rs/ps/2005/50964.htm (Decision by a NAFTA tribunal that supersedes US law that would have awarded a Canadian company upwards of 900m USD in taxpayer money if it was reversed...)

by keith on 12/07/2007 11:43:07 AM EST

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Ah well I guess Fred won't be supporting Paul.

by acroso on 12/07/2007 04:04:06 PM EST

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He's a very entertaining guy. In trying to figure out his true identity, I think I have it narrowed down to these possibilities: 1. Pat Buchanon 2. Pat Buchanon's twin. 3. Bay Buchanon

by KenTX on 12/07/2007 03:23:13 AM EST

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I too like Acroso. He does serve a purpose by injecting the crazy conspiracy theories into the forum. If he didn't exist, MRFred would have to create a sock puppet to do the same job.

by Twba on 12/07/2007 10:20:20 AM EST

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Since you like conspiracy theories how do you know acroso isnt my sock puppet? Hummm?

 

 

by MRFred on 12/07/2007 10:34:45 AM EST

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...how do you know acroso isnt my sock puppet? Hummm?

I know. I just know.

by Twba on 12/07/2007 10:50:39 AM EST

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I see, sock puppet psychoanalysis  is among the sum total of human knowledge housed in the Cato Institute...

by MRFred on 12/07/2007 11:37:11 AM EST

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...sock puppet psychoanalysis...

I didn't resort to anything as crude as Freud. I just looked at a map. You guys live 800 miles apart. I don't think your arm can stretch that far.

by Twba on 12/07/2007 11:53:00 AM EST

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You guys live 800 miles apart

Best present I ever got

by MRFred on 12/07/2007 12:06:32 PM EST

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Are you admitting to "nick jumping?" GASP!!!

The OTHER resident troll might not send you a Holiday greeting now.

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/07/2007 11:22:05 AM EST

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What purpose do you serve? Comic relief?

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/07/2007 12:10:49 PM EST

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I think Ray Liotta was scarier than Joe Pesci in that scene.

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/09/2007 06:11:16 PM EST

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If you have dual citizenship, you can vote in two countries.  Why should this be unacceptable?

by jarett on 12/07/2007 06:34:30 AM EST


NumbersUSA has rated the presidential candidates on dealing with illegal immigration.

The first category is rating the candidates promises for 08'

Subcategory "No amnesty" - All 7 candidates are rates as "abysmal."

Subcategory "future illegal immigration"- all are ranked poor except Kuchinich who gets a "poor" and Dodd who somehow manages a "fair."

See all stats here.

 

by acroso on 12/07/2007 06:02:31 PM EST


NumbersUSA rated Huckabee's plan as "EXCELLENT" along with Tanc, Hunter, and Thompson. Those four were the only four to earn an EXCELLENT rating.

,but they gave huck a "poor" on his past actions.

by acroso on 12/07/2007 06:50:17 PM EST

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I was glad to hear Huckanut was ahead by a 2 to 1 margin.  There will be no one easier to beat .

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/07/2007 09:34:51 PM EST

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After he wins, he will put you into permanent isolation and quarantine .

--- Tooth To Member

by leeberall on 12/08/2007 04:40:01 PM EST

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since I am not HIV positive or have AIDs... why would he isolate me?  

Of course I support him. He is the easiest for anoye to beat!

Dont you have a bathroom to go cruise or something? Isnt that what you closet cases do the ones that hide behind nics ?

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/09/2007 02:13:13 AM EST

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look at him.

He's getting all flustered and upset!

After almost two years of screwing with ppl, he's finally getting a taste of his own medicine.

This is fun!

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by leeberall on 12/09/2007 02:21:06 AM EST

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you wish...

You cant ever take THIS nic

As far as Im concerned if you want to do your version of drag... knock yourself out . I knew you where a closet case anyway. You always come back around to the gay stuff..and no one else including me ever mentions sexual orientation. Isnt that odd?

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/09/2007 02:25:56 AM EST

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Are you the spokes model for the ninety-eight pound homo brigade? I mean is that why you think I need your permission to post in this forum?

I am me... and anyone else you want me to be. THAT makes it more fun.. Lets count all the people that are me , they seem to be anyone that disagrees with you LOL

WHY on earth would anyone disagree with an ignorant ass gay boy posting inane shit on a political blog?  I don't get it!  heh....

Now that I'm back.. is there something you want to talk about tiny boy?  Lets talk about why you accuse everyone of being gay shall we? Did you know that the majority of people have no interest whatsoever in gay issues? Most people don’t care about AIDS or gay marriage.

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by leeberall on 12/09/2007 02:55:59 AM EST

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......

 Why do you always post this shit in my blog BB? I hate reading your dumb arguments with that guy.

by acroso on 12/09/2007 03:09:42 AM EST

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All of this talk on the same subject is becoming quite tedious.

by KenTX on 12/09/2007 03:40:50 AM EST

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I don't know about a quarintine, but we do need a way to stop AIDS patients from having sex or from working in careers that could potentially spread the virus.

We also need blood screenings for all immigrants so we know who to not let in.

by acroso on 12/09/2007 05:54:36 PM EST

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Dont they already deny people with HIV ?

Health screening. Another good reason that  a reasonble solution needs to be found.

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/09/2007 06:13:37 PM EST

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Kennedy-McCain sure didn't!

by acroso on 12/09/2007 07:16:18 PM EST

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The solution is to avoid another "comprehensive immigration reform" like 1986, and start enforcing our immigration laws and deporting illegals, prosecuting identity fraud, removing illegal aliens from our school systems, etc.

by acroso on 12/09/2007 07:18:48 PM EST

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I cant say I'm against some of that. But not for the same reasons. I think people here illegally are afraid to report crimes committed against them. I also think they don't get paid well or they wouldn't get hired in the first place. The system is broken true. I think fixing it properly would require some cooperation from Mexico and so far.. no go.

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/09/2007 11:29:26 PM EST

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That's why I like the idea of buidling fencing before anything else. No one is getting deported, breaking up families or anything. You're just stopping MORE people from coming.

 

IDK even know what the controversy with the fence is but it makes liberals really angry somehow. 

by acroso on 12/09/2007 11:37:18 PM EST

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please forgive me for hijacking this thread.

I know you would never do anything like that to someone else's thread. Are we still friends?

As a gay man, and as a Gay American, I don't think it's anybody's business whether or not I am HIV positive. If I want to tell the guy I’m in bed with at the moment, I will, or I won’t. Depends on my mood. The universe revolves around me, and nothing else matters.

I'm rabidly liberal in a Randi Rhodes sorta way, because both of us are profoundly mentally ill, substance addicted, sick fucks. I became familiar with TYT on Air America Radio. I like them for their no holds bared attitude and never miss a show.

I would love to come here and discuss issues that were actually being discussed on TYT shows.

I hate trolls  They exist for one reason only and it isn't to play nice . I'm not afraid to play back when a troll posts things like this about me. Maybe you’ve noticed that all of my posts in this forum are directed at attacking trolls. I really have nothing else to contribute. My only purpose in life is to attack trolls. And since Dave doesn’t do a goddam thing about it, then it must be OK.

"He's mean, malicious, gay, rabid, aids-ridden, eaten up with Hep C"  or he should die of aids .. etc etc etc 

All those mature comments t hat you would expect from a "thoughtful and respectful " member of this message board.

I grew up on the net. I started out looking for middle-aged men who would give me money to have sex with them. I'm not new to message boards. I'm not afraid to play either. If that's the direction they want to go. Then I will go there and do. "it's all in good fun"

I have no idea what this obsession with socks is. But I've never seen anything like it on any other message board.

I have posted all the nics I used and why I changed them

HungryJack, Blue, Lonestar Liberal, TinyDemon, BenTX, kiki, Keith

There are many, many more, but I like leeberall so this is the one Ill use for a while.
I am here for the sole purpose of disrupting the friendly atmosphere of the forum. I hate it when trolls and regs play kissy kissy. It makes me sick. All true liberals should hate all conservatives. I spend about 98% of my life hating conservatives.

The trolls try to stir up as much shit as they can by their incendiary comments. I play along for the fun of it.

The “just ignore” thing doesn't work. Cuz no one wants to ignore . They like to argue. Then claim that everyone else is a flamer or a sock puppet or anything else that suits their argument at that moment. "we this" and "we that" as if they have the moral high ground because they say they are a "we".

When I am not in the forum attacking trolls, I sit alone in my apartment thinking about how much I hate trolls.

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by leeberall on 12/09/2007 07:32:51 PM EST

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Everything you post is utter spam.

by acroso on 12/09/2007 07:52:25 PM EST

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I notice that you seem offended by the content of my posts? It’s funny that you weren’t bothered by the same content when I posted these very same comments a few months ago.
Let me show you what I’m talking about.

Example 1

Example 2

That’s right! I have been posting garbage like this in the forum for years, and you’ve never had a problem with it before.

Should someone put an end to this disgraceful style of communication? Absolut ely. They should have stopped it about two years ago.




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by leeberall on 12/09/2007 08:58:18 PM EST

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It's because I ignore you

by acroso on 12/09/2007 09:02:07 PM EST

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Again with the every nic is the same person .

KenTx is that you? Being all well.. you?

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/09/2007 11:32:13 PM EST

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this is pointless im not afraid of brown people...

by Bungle on 12/07/2007 06:16:51 PM EST


Ya I read that on Huff Po...   .. they wont be replaced by repugs though... but I hope they are replaced..

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/08/2007 02:35:26 PM EST

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 Democrats don't carry the big sticks.

by acroso on 12/08/2007 05:32:18 PM EST

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Besides, Bush has promised to veto their "compromise."

by acroso on 12/09/2007 01:02:25 AM EST

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"While I appreciate the movement in the right direction on the part of congressional Democrats toward concluding this Congress, we must not overspend the taxpayers' money"

Enough spending! The occupation of Iraq is costing in ways I'm sure I haven't figured out yet.

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/09/2007 11:36:10 PM EST

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FRED THOMPSON appears to be considering leaving home base for a bus campaign to IOWA! In one week...maybe two if it's good fishing weather in the meantime, Fred will go on a Iowabus tour! 

 ...and the campaign begins.

From NRO the corner.... 

 

"

Re: The Sleeper Awakes?   [Peter Robinson]

"Can you really put everything into Iowa," Ramesh asks, "and then say a third-place finish is a victory?" If you finish a close third, and if—critical point—the candidate shows voters he truly wants the job while convincing the press that he's finally back on his game, putting himself in a position to win in South Carolina—if all that occurs, why, then, yes, a third place finish for Thompson would indeed amount to a victory.

As I suggested in my post below, Thompson must be the most exasperating candidate in the field. A man who enjoys policy almost too much, Fred sometimes appears less interested in succeeding George W. Bush in the White House than in succeeding Chris DeMuth at AEI. And by waiting so long— according to Steve Hayes's report, Thompson's big bus tour of Iowa is still more than a week off—Thompson is taking an awful risk. Since Romney has held the support of about a quarter of Iowa Republicans ever since July Fred isn't likely to peel them away. And if Huckabee's supporters prove more or less as loyal as Mitt's, Fred will be left with very few Iowans still open to persuasion. But Thompson is more genuinely conservative than Huckabee, and much, much more consistent than Mitt. There are those of us who just can't quit hoping.

One note, by the way, to the Thompson campaign: Getting Fred to do some actual campaigning is, needless to say, a start. Next could you persuade him to start enjoying himself? Tell him to remember FDR and the Gipper. The best take pleasure in the game."

by acroso on 12/08/2007 09:13:41 PM EST


Who cares what a few thousand twits in Iowa think about who should be our next president? Seriously. They are just rewarding the people who pander to the corn ethanol and Jesus-freak special interests. Screw Iowa. I wish more candidates had Fred's lackadaisical attitude toward Iowa.

by Twba on 12/10/2007 03:25:09 AM EST

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Why isnt he leading in the polls?

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/09/2007 02:08:54 AM EST

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Whats the answer?

Should they quarantine him?

You would be the last one off the Titanic

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 12/10/2007 11:19:01 AM EST

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Deck chairs are sliding by. Really? It looks like temperatures are not climbing steeply enough to merit such alarmist talk.

by Twba on 12/10/2007 11:46:08 AM EST

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