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James Cameron says he has found the tomb and remains of Jesus, Jesus' wife, and his child.  See story below.
http://dsc.discovery.com/ne ws/2007/02/25/tomb_arc.html ?category=archaeology&g uid=20070225073000&dcit c=w19-502-ak-0000


  In a related story, Michael Bay has uncovered a corpse in a Santa suit.

    I saw a little of this on Countdown last night, and the thing that strikes me about it is how people on both sides of the religious debate act as though, if true, this somehow disproves Christianity.  Now, I am not the least bit religious, but to me, this is a ridiculous notion.  It's like saying that discovering that the Earth is round disproved science.  In the words of Cenk Uyger, just calm down.
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If you where into religion you would realize that the resurrection is the main tenet of Christianity. No resurrection . Well you can follow the thought process.

by Left Is Right on 02/27/2007 09:11:02 PM EST


Does that mean we can forget about Easter this year?

by KenTX on 02/27/2007 10:52:11 PM EST

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No Easter means no Mardi Gras no Carnival...no fun!

Mitch: [As the voice of Jesus] Hi Kent.

Kent: Okay, who is this?

Mitch: [As the voice of Jesus] This is Jesus. And you've been a very naughty boy.

Mitch: [As the voice of Jesus]Have you been touching yourself?

Kent: Yes. I mean, NO!

Mitch: [As the voice of Jesus] ...And from now on, stop playing with yourself.

 Kent: It is God!

by MRFred on 02/27/2007 11:32:46 PM EST

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No Falwell...Robertson...Dobso n...

by MRFred on 02/27/2007 11:48:46 PM EST

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were EMPTY coffins with names on them.

This is this smallest find since I found my cell phone yesterday.  Yawn.

BTW, Ken, is it spring in TX yet?  My friend goes to UT-Arlington and I was thinking of visiting him sometime in the next couple weeks.

by jarett on 02/28/2007 12:44:13 PM EST

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  were EMPTY coffins with names on them

History repeats itself ! You may to young to remember this fiasco..this was a Geraldo Rivera special... live no less....

"Geraldo Rivera had been fired in 1985 after criticizing ABCJohn F. Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe. He hosted the special, The Mystery of Al Capone's Vault, which was broadcast live on April 21, 1986. The two hour special (including commercials) was greatly hyped as potentially revealing great riches or bodies on live television. This included the presence of a medical examiner should bodies be found and agents from the Internal Revenue Service to collect any of Capone's money that may be discovered. When the vault was finally opened the only things found inside were dirt and several empty bottles including one Geraldo claimed was for moonshine bathtub gin. Despite the ending the special became the most-watched syndicated television special with an estimated audience of 30,000,000. Rivera later wrote of the event in his 1991 autobiography Exposing Myself that "My career was not over, I knew, but had just begun. And all because of a silly, high-concept stunt that failed to deliver on its titillating promise." The term "Al Capone's vault" has become slang for a heavily expected event with disappointing results.
for cancelling his report on an alleged relationship between

by MRFred on 02/28/2007 07:29:27 PM EST

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"BTW, Ken, is it spring in TX yet?"

When I left Houston it was 82.

I'm in Denver right now, heading for Steamboat. It is freezing and the wind is horrible.

by KenTX on 03/01/2007 07:09:38 PM EST

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By our standards it is not Spring but its not bad.  Windy and a little chilly still (in Austin anyway).

by ProfRich on 03/02/2007 04:35:18 PM EST

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Btw it was not 82 in Houston on March 01/07  the higest it has been in Houston in march was about 75.

Cant repugs be honest about anything?

by Left Is Right on 03/10/2007 05:20:55 PM EST

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"Btw it was not 82 in Houston on March 01/07  the highest it has been in Houston in march was about 75."
 
I can't pull up the data for March 1, but I am able to offer the data for March 9-10. As you can plainly see, the high in Houston during this period was 80-82.

I know you have issues with your father, god, and authority in general, and this makes you the perfect prototype liberal. But I hope you're not taking the subjects in this forum seriously? We're just foolin around here.

by KenTX on 03/10/2007 07:46:50 PM EST

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"I can't pull up the data for March 1"

There are drugs you can take to correct that issue. 

by OneHitKill on 03/11/2007 11:11:17 AM EST

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I was in Hoston Texas on March 1  with a team doing due dilligence on a property. It was not in the 80s lol   but pull what you want

by Left Is Right on 03/12/2007 01:26:42 AM EST

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"I was in Hoston Texas on March 1  with a team doing due dilligence on a property. It was not in the 80s lol   but pull what you want"

I was in Houston on Feb 27, but not March 1.

Look at the temperature on Feb 27. 81 degrees!

Property? I thought you were a traveling nurse?

by KenTX on 03/12/2007 02:35:19 PM EST

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Look at the parent to this post. This is what LeftIsRight is referring to when he calls me a liar.

I left Houston on Feb 27, heading for meetings in Dallas. Later in the week I went to Denver, and then Steamboat.

I just found a site for historical temperature readings.

Look at the temperature in Houston on Feb 27.

I am laughing my ass off right now!

by KenTX on 03/10/2007 08:02:05 PM EST

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"I am laughing my ass off right now!"

There are drugs for that, too. 

by OneHitKill on 03/11/2007 11:12:13 AM EST

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Forget about Easter! No Way!!   The easterbunny is still comming  so hide those easter baskets

by Left Is Right on 02/28/2007 01:45:04 PM EST

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Well, if you're a believer, all this does is perhaps to make you re-evaluate the degree to which you take the resurrection literally.  If I believe in an all-powerful God, I have little trouble with Jesus' resurrection being a spiritual one rather than a physical one. 

    As a non-believer, this makes little difference.
 

by Homertojeebus on 02/28/2007 06:36:38 AM EST


If you believe in the infallibility of the Bible then you would have to believe that the resurrection was the resurrection  period.  The resurrection is the main tenet of Christianity and is not disputed or viewed as a " spiritual rising" by any faction.

I cant imagine anyone saying that if Jesus was not resurrected married and had a son it would have little effect on the religion.

by Left Is Right on 02/28/2007 01:49:04 PM EST


It could have a tremendous effect on religion, yes, but not on faith.  If you believe in something that can't be proven, how can it then be disproven?  If I believe that the Universe is surrounded by cotton candy, and you show me some telescopic picture of the black, void edge of the universe, I will simply conclude that the cotton candy is just beyond the range of your telescope.  And it's delicious.

by Homertojeebus on 02/28/2007 06:24:00 PM EST

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Like Mitch Romney?

by ProfRich on 03/02/2007 04:23:43 PM EST

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You obviously have run out of anything cognisant to add . Expressing your opinion is great. It just doesn't have anything to do with how Christianity works.

The entire Christian religion . ALL of it ,be it Anglican, Catholic  , or other , is based on the belief that Jesus was killed on the cross and resurrected. 

That is an indisputable fact 

by Left Is Right on 03/01/2007 01:23:04 PM EST


Muslims can't get along with Hindus, Buddists, Christians, atheists, Sikhs.

They are at war with the entire world. They want to decapitate all non-Muslims.

by KenTX on 03/01/2007 07:06:40 PM EST

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Please prove that Muslims want to decapitate all non-Muslims.

by ProfRich on 03/02/2007 04:36:01 PM EST

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"Please prove that Muslims want to decapitate all non-Muslims." 

You’re asking me? I thought you consider yourself a historian?

I think the Koran commands Muslims to decapitate some infidels, enslave other infidels, and conquer and demand tribute from the rest. So which group to you want to be in?

Let’s consult George Mason University
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For the last several years, commentators (both Muslim and non-Muslim) have tried to whitewash decapitation, claiming either that it was un-Qur’anic1 or that it was a misrepresentation of Islam2 (or both). Western, particularly American, journalists have seized on these pronouncements and disseminated them willy-nilly, never stopping to actually check them against the Qur’an and against Islamic history. Doing so reveals the vacuuity—indeed, the outright mendacity—of the claims that beheading is unIslamic.

Two passages in the Qur’an enjoin decapitating opponents of Islam. Sura 47 [Muhammad]:3 says “When you encounter the unbelievers on the battlefield, strike off their heads until you have crushed them completely; then bind the [surviving] prisoners tightly.” Sura 8 [al-Anfal]:12 states “I will cast dread into the hearts of the unbelievers. Strike off their heads, then, and strike off all of their fingertips.” Now without delving into a long discussion of Qur’anic exegesis, it is only fair to acknowledge that these passages should be read against others in the Muslim scriptures that are more pacific3 (as is done with the violent passages in the Bible, particularly the Old Testament). But that said, the most prominent Muslim Qur’an commentators over the centuries have by-and-large accepted these passages at face value.4 That is, they mean—as `Abdullah Yusuf `Ali put it in his Qur’anic commentary—“you cannot wage war with kid gloves.”5 One might also gloss these passages as only applying to Muhammad’s time and not to today,6 a view that is in vogue among Westerners (both liberal Christian and ardently secular) but that rarely shows up in Muslim commentary on these passages. And it is obvious that the majority of the world’s Muslims do not take this passage any more literally than do most Jews the Levitical code7 or most Christians Jesus’ granting of authority over poison snakes.8 However, just as there is a minority of Jews that tries to live by the Levitical code and a minority of Christians that tries to handle deadly serpents,9 there is undeniably a minority of Muslims that advocates, and practices, beheading of “unbelievers.” But since Christianity and Islam are so much larger than Judaism (2 billion and 1.3 billion, respectively, as compared to about 15 million), a small percentage of those can amount to large numbers, in real terms.

And the Abu Mus`ab al-Zarqawis of the world can cite not only the Qur’an, but Islamic historical precedent, on their behalf. The Prophet himself ordered opponents—700 Jewish members of the Banu Qurayzah tribe in Medina—beheaded.10 In 680 CE the Shi`i leader Husayn, the son of `Ali (the closest surviving male relative of Muhammad) was beheaded after losing an internecine struggle with the Sunni Umayyads. The al-Murabit (Almoravid) caliphs beheaded tens of thousands of Christians (admittedly many of them knights and soldiers) in the Iberian Peninsula and North Africa during their reign from 1056-1147 CE. Likewise for the Muslim state that conquered and succeeded them, the al-Muwahhids (Almohads). Ruling North Africa and Iberia from 1130-1269 CE, the Muwahhids decapited not only Christian but Muslim opponents. Even the great—and famously tolerant (at least for his time)—Salah al-Din, who retook Jerusalem from the Crusaders in 1187, was not above detaching his enemies from their heads. (Of course, if any Crusader justly deserved such a fate, it was the obnoxious, vile and violent Reynauld de Chatillion.) The largest and longest-lived Islamic empire of all time, that of the Ottoman Turks, was also the most enamored of decapitions.11 The Ottomans beheaded Serbs after the Battle of Kosovo in 1389 and Hungarians—including their King, Ladislaus—after the Battle of Varna in 1444. It is said that after taking Constantinople in 1453, the Ottoman Sultan Mehmet II send the dead Byzantine Emperor’s severed head on tour. A few years later, the Ottoman Grand Mufti (the highest religious authority) was allowed to personally decapitate King Stephen of Bosnia and his sons.

Beheading of the enemies of Islam—both Muslim and non-Muslim—often is done by self-declared Mahdis. The Mahdi, “the rightly-guided one,” in Islam is an eschatological figure that comes toward the end of time (along with the returned prophet Jesus) to make the entire planet one Islamic caliphate. Over the centuries, a number of Muslim revolutionary holy men have declared themselves the Mahdi.12 And such leaders are often proponents of decapitation. The most prominent example is that of Muhammad Ahmad of Sudan, who declared himself the Mahdi in 1880, started a jihad against the Ottomans, Egyptians and Brits in Sudan, and by 1885 took over the country. Opponents—most famously, General Charles Gordon—were often beheaded.

by KenTX on 03/02/2007 07:55:33 PM EST

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Fine.  I can live with this.

First, this guy isn't from George Mason University.

He is from something called Georgia Perimeter University, no seriously.  I think K State has them as thier home opener in 08.

So when you say Muslim want to behead all non-Muslims you mean in exactly the same way that Jews believe in the laws of Leviticus or that Christians routinely handle deadly snakes as an expression of faith.  In other words, with the exception of a few nut jobs, not at all.  Do you ever read what you post as support?

It's wild.  I am starting to wonder if you can read at all.  What you said would also equate to saying Christians believe very literally in an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth or that if your brother dies you have to marry and impregnate his wife or that people must be stoned to death if they eat cheese with meat.  There are very small radical pockets who might think so, but the OVERWHELMING majority reject all this.

But as always, fuck the truth, there are ridiculous pointless argument to be won!

Get an 360, man, seriously.  It would be a much more appropriate outlet for your gamesmanship.  And you get to make up a cool name, I was thinking: PipelayingAdonis.  You like? 

by ProfRich on 03/03/2007 12:06:23 AM EST

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I agree, it is a fact that all Christians believe in the resurrection, and that all Christian doctrines that I know of interpret this as a physical resurrection, but I disagree that this is the central pillar of all Christian belief.  I also disagree that all individual Christians believe that it was definitely a physical resurrection, since I know many who either believe otherwise or are open to that idea. 
    You're also missing the larger point.  Trying to disprove someone's faith is just as silly as a person trying to prove their own faith.  It's FAITH.  By definition, it cannot be proven or disproven.
   

by Homertojeebus on 03/07/2007 05:06:29 PM EST

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Disagree all you want. You would be wrong

by Left Is Right on 03/10/2007 05:16:57 PM EST

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BTW, I think that "King of the World finds the King of Kings"  is a hilarious headline, and I can't believe Ben and Cenk didn't pick it up.  Proof they don't read the blogs.

by Homertojeebus on 03/09/2007 01:24:07 AM EST


From what I have read people are complaining the tone has changed. I guess that means that TYT are more liberal and less moderate than before? I am not to familiar with them. I have only been listening to them for about 3 months. I'm pretty sure they read some of the blogs because they have referenced this or that on the radio show.

by Left Is Right on 03/12/2007 01:30:02 AM EST

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