03/13/2007 02:15:25 AM EST

Gen Peter Pace: Newt Gingrich Is Immoral!,

posted by MedfordTim

This is a Faux News Break! You can tell from the subject header. See, what the Chicago Tribune reports was really said is "Marine Gen. Peter Pace likened homosexuality to adultery, which he said was also immoral."

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Of course, the Trib went with the headline: "Top general calls homosexuality 'immoral.'" Wonder why they didn't say "Top General calls Adultery immoral?"

Nice to know that one of the architects of a campaign which has caused the needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and the decimation of a country finds sex between consenting adults or even - garsh! - LOVE 'immoral.' Maybe if they killed their partner after the act it would fit into the good General's morality guidelines?

...so, it's okay to kill babies with bombs, just not make them out of wedlock...

In a completely unrelated story about Bush's rougher than expected reception in Guatemala, President Custer said the following as though he truly believed it and lacking the requisite irony drip that comes with such a statement:

"Just so you know, when we enforce the law we do so in a fair and rational way," he said. "People are welcome, but under the law." He tried to dispel suspicions, high here, that application of the law in the United States can be cruel and discriminatory.

Wonder where they got that idea? Do ya think someone told them about President Custer's Guantanimo summer camp? Think maybe the name 'Padilla' (even though it's pa-DILL-ah, not pa-DEE-yah) gets much play in Latin American papers?

But Bush's day should be brightened by the spineless Dems folding over their "He cannot attack Iran without permission" provision in their appropriations bill. Why? Because "they feared tying the hands of the administration when dealing with an unpredictable and potentially hostile regime in Tehran"

Underline 'potentially hostile' and then try to name all the countries Iran has invaded in the last 50 years. Look up the word 'unpredictable' and see if that matches what you already know about Iran.

Don't these morons in the Senate realize that Bush and Cheney will take that statement as authority to invade Iran?


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Gen Peter Pace: Newt Gingrich Is Immoral!, | 20 comments (20 topical, 0 hidden)
immoral (none / 0)

He may be immoral but he is correct as a policy standpoint. You have 1000 men in a barracks with no privacy and you're going to force them to sleep, eat, and especially shower with homsexuals?

The problem is you would have to guarantee straight men privacy in the sense that they don't want to shower with gays or have gays walk in on them when they are showering.

 That's impossible.

It may be possible if they bar gays from from certain areas of the military like combat so that they serve only in intelligence roles etc. 

by acroso on 03/13/2007 07:07:08 PM EST

Temptation (none / 0)

What's the matter, Acroso?  Don't you think straight soldiers can resist the urge to suddenly "turn gay" when confronted with a smorgasboard of hard-trained military macho men?

Did you grow up on a porno movie set?  Life isn't like that.  People don't suddenly forget where they are and start getting it on.  At the very least, you need a drywall partition in your mind to separate fantasy from reality.  If you can, spring for the soundproofed oak.

by OneHitKill on 03/14/2007 06:50:16 AM EST

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privacy (none / 0)

Of course they can resist. There is stilla privacy issue involved. We don't make our female soldiers shower with the males. Can the males resist nude females when showering? Of course they can. Gay men can also avoid checking out the hunky men, but that doesn't mean our soldiers should be forced to take these homosexual showers.

Don't ask don't tell should stand. 

by acroso on 03/14/2007 07:17:24 AM EST

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Not telling doesn't turn them straight (none / 0)
Exactly how does don't ask don't tell keep gay soldiers out of the shower with straight soldiers?

by Left Is Right on 03/14/2007 09:00:46 AM EST

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modern day (none / 0)

All modern day politics are acts of sophism. I'm not gay I just do gay acts. Or...well that depends on what the meaning of is, is? Or domestic wiretapping vs. terrorist surveilence. Or Illegal aliens becoming immigrants. Terrorists being renamed insurgents. etc etc.

It seems in modern day politics it's better to never admit you're wrong and instead just distort language until they or correct.

by acroso on 03/14/2007 04:53:01 PM EST

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gay showers (none / 0)
I still think soldiers should be guaranteed the right to not have to shower with known homosexuals in the sense that gays should not be allowed in barracks with the other troops.

by acroso on 03/14/2007 04:54:21 PM EST

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Be thorough (none / 0)
While you're at it, why not guarantee the soldiers that they won't die in combat?

by OneHitKill on 03/14/2007 09:25:20 PM EST

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Clap your hands if you believe (none / 0)
Men have sex with other men in prison without being gay.  Didn't you see The Shawshank Redemption?

by OneHitKill on 03/14/2007 09:24:08 PM EST

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Sleepers, isn't that a Woody Allen film? (none / 0)
I've never seen Deliverance.  Who's a film buff now, Teabag?

by OneHitKill on 03/15/2007 02:21:13 AM EST

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Wow how shocking! (none / 0)
How surprising that  a right wing nut job  doesn't understand gays, blacks, women , or anything that isn't a straight white male.

They also don't understand basic math, logic, and reality.

of course they are in the minority view again on the subject of allowing gays to serve openly in the military. Oh and this is really going to get them. They let blacks drink from the same public drinking fountains now.

by Left Is Right on 03/14/2007 10:21:50 PM EST

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Whack job lack of logic (none / 0)
Reality is not subjective.

by Left Is Right on 03/15/2007 03:48:42 AM EST

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Ho Hum same ole repug tactics (none / 0)
Attacking gays or minorities of any kind to divert attention or shore up the base is not news. The fact that it is not working this time is the real news.


All this brew ha about a conservative Generals opinions on gays in the military is nothing more than a smoke screen to try to deflect attention from the real scandal.

The repugs lay claim to the moral high ground , yet they are rife  with pedophiles and closeted homosexuals. Another interesting fact that is hardly earth shaking but worth noting in light of this brew ha they stirred up.


This gays in the military thing will blow over and backfire on them.  No matter what they try , those who have sheltered Bush Co.  are dropping one by one.




by Left Is Right on 03/15/2007 05:00:24 AM EST

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fears, queers, and smears (none / 0)
o,o,o gays are ruining the military.  lets forget about corruption of the highest form in the whitehouse and the attorney generals office and talk about a real issue.

next up:  lets raise the terror level

cluster bombs or bj's, which one is really immoral?

by thbbbt on 03/14/2007 05:31:48 AM EST

Good Grief!!! (none / 0)
You'd think by all this hullabaloo that if gays came out of the closet in the military the world will end. To begin with most straight folks I know have pretty good gaydar and when I served I knew the guys that weren't exactly pitchers on a co-ed team. Do you honestly think gays are going to start screwing in the showers? When it comes to gay guys I think they have learned to control their emotions pretty well around known heterosexual men, it's called survival instinct. There would be no more moral breakdown than already exists with adultery,  subordinate/senior  relationships and  jodey's. It boils down to old heterosexual men getting sick at the idea of two guys going at it even in the privacy of the bedroom (I must admit I don't understand it myself but I wasn't born with that particular disposition). These are the same old farts that are fine with two women going at it! Cheney's daughter a prime example. Maybe they should say lesbians great, fags no. Finally, this asshole (sorry for the choice of word in this context) General admitted that it was his own personal opinion. I'm sure his opinions influence his policy. I'm sure his opinions are based on extreme religious beliefs. Disclaimer: I know I used some politically incorrect terms in this post but it was necessary to make the point plus I think all this politically correct crap is just that.

by MountainMan on 03/14/2007 06:47:48 PM EST

showering (none / 0)

Mountainman- 

Do you think straight men should be guarenteed privacy from gay men as in they don't HAVE to shower with them if they don't feel comfortable?

I also think woman should not HAVE to shower with men in the military. Most men could probably control themselves here to, but since woman get privacy they don't have to make them uncomfortable. 

by acroso on 03/14/2007 07:15:19 PM EST

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"A" maybe there's hope for you yet (none / 0)
On strictly the privacy issue I agree with you 100% . The thing is, there has never been much privacy in the military. You have to learn to "just get along". I would've preferred to shower alone in all situations myself. I believe in extreme situations women and men should be able to shower together in the military. If you can't control your urges as an adult in certain situations then you have no business being in the military. Kinda funny how futuristic military movies often show co-ed showering.

by MountainMan on 03/14/2007 08:52:39 PM EST

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compromise (none / 0)

There is no room for compromise here. It's just as important to separate the known gay men from the straight population when showering and in close quarters as it is separating the men from the woman.

I think our servicemen sacrifice too much as it is too be forced to take homosexual showers in the name of political correctness. 

by acroso on 03/15/2007 12:03:02 AM EST

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Acrosa says... (none / 0)
"I think..."

Another lie.

by MedfordTim on 03/15/2007 06:08:47 PM EST

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ESL Acroso (none / 0)

"Homosexual showers."  Your word choice is staggering.  If you ride the same subway train with a gay man, even if you aren't aware of it, is that a "homosexual subway ride?"

You're making us choose between political correctness and linguistic idiocy.  It's damaging to your cause. 

by OneHitKill on 03/15/2007 09:13:44 PM EST

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Repugs have a strangle hold on morality. (none / 0)
Isn't the general in question the same one that was chastised previously for sermonizing while in uniform?

by Left Is Right on 03/14/2007 10:25:26 PM EST

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