2008 Democratic Primary Polls

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I find it interesting how strongly both Obama and Edwards are doing in those states they are not winning. In several Obama and Edwards are just behind hillary and in most they poll close to 20% each.

In order to get the nomination one needs 2600 or so delegates, which is a majority.

I think that Hillary right now dosn't have it.

She may go into the convention with 45% of the delgates and need to cut a deal with either Barak or Edwards.

But consider this: What if Obama and Edwards have 51% of delagates between them?

Then we could see a deal made with an Obama/Edwards ticket and Clinton would be cut out altogether!

Talk about exciting! The Denver convention will be the first in decades in which the convention isn't just a coronation party but where the ticket is actually decided!

Here's hoping that Hillary continues to weaken and Obama picks up momentum.

The last thing I want to see is Hillary steam roll the primaries like Kerry did in 04.

If each state is relativly close we will see more spirited campaigning and that is simply good for democracy.

Personally I would hate to see Hillary win the nomination as she is not only the weakest against Guliani, but also because her obession with political advisors and failure to admit her mistake of voting for the Iraq authorization tells me she would not govern as well as Edwards or Obama, individuals who seem more confident and less poll obsessed.

I have already given $15 to Obama and will give another $35 this quarter assuming he stays strong.

Hopefully others follow my lead and Obama outraises Hillary in Q2. This would cement his momentum and give him bigger name recognition.

If this is the case I will give $25/month to Obama, and hopefully he will continue to outraise Hillary via the netroots as well as regular sources.

Maybe the added media presence can make it a dead heat coming into the primaries and Obama's advantage of always being against Iraq can put him over the top.

If Obama can win 5+ states in the primaries and poll strong in the others he will be able to, at least become VP, and maybe form an alliance with Edwards and save the nomination from Clinto.

In terms of asthetics nothing would beat Obama, the first African American Pres candidate, (and of course good looking and charasmatic as hell) running with a charasmatic as hell and damn good looking Southern populist.

Given that Edwards and Obama poll stronger than Clinton against all Republican candidates I would say this is probably the strongest ticket we can have.

Since Gulianni will probably end up with Thomson as VP, I would say an Obama/Edwards ticket is a good shot at the whitehouse in 08.

Thoughts?
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I just found out there will be a Dem Primary debate in SC next thursday, April 26 at 6:30 PM eastern!

Yes! This will be the perfect chance for Obama and Edwards to pull closer to Clinton and show that she is not the best candidate!

Hopefully 2,3 of these can help Obama/Edwards in polls and therefore fundraising, which is transmututed into stronger polling through the magic of main stream media converage!

Here's hoping for Obama/Edwards in 08!

by adamg on 04/19/2007 11:24:55 PM EST


Here is the breakdown of the 34 states with primary polls available.

Tier 1: Likely states to swing to Obama, meaning Clinton leads him by 5% or less.

Az: -4
Ga: -3
TX: -2

Note that Texas is a huge state with the 3rd highest delegate count. A win there would be huge for Obama's momentum.

Tier 2: possible pick up states, where Clinton leads by 6-10%

OH: -10
OR: -10
NH: -6

Ohio is the largest and most important state here, but if Obama can win NH it will mean big momentum for natonal primary day, (feb 5)

So here is how it stands for Obama:

He is winning in 2 states: IL, SC
He is likely to win 3 more, Az, Ga, TX, (note all southern and western states)
This puts him at 5 states, and gurantees him the VP nomination.
He Could win 3 more, NH, OR, OH, a western, North Eastern and Midd west state.

So Obama could possibly win 8 states, which would gurantee that Clinton dosn't get 50% +1 at the National convention in Denver.

PLUS! There are 16 other states plus DC that don't have polls available yet.

Here is how the math breaksdown for those states:

Currently Obama has 1/17th of the states, so from 16 more and DC we can expect no less than 1 for him.

In the likely scenario of 5 states, (extrapolating he gets 5/34th of the 16 new states) he wins 2 more.

In the best case scenario in which Obama wins 8 states he would win 3.75, or rounding up, 4 of the 16 states and DC.

So here is the extrapolated data for all 50 states, as of 4/19/07:

Conservative scenario

Obama wins 3 states and polls strong in many others:

Outcome: Hillary/Obama ticket likely.

Likely Scenario:

Obama wins 7 states and polls very strong in many others.

outcome: Hillary/Obama ticket very likely, Obama/Edwards ticket possible.

Best Case Scenario:

Obama wins 12 states and polls very strongly in others.

Outcome: Obama/Edwards Ticket very likely, Hillary/Obama ticket possible.

Thoughts?

by adamg on 04/19/2007 11:59:18 PM EST


As long as Democrats nominate Hillary, Obama, Edwards, or Gore, I will be a very happy Republican in 2008.

On the other hand, if they nominate a normal human being, like Bob Kerrey of Nebraska, we could be looking at Democrat control of the country.

Fortunately, Democrats are profoundly ignorant.


by KenTX on 04/20/2007 08:46:24 AM EST

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Democrats are ignorant. Ignorant of the crimes that have been committed by bush lackeys. But as time goes on  more and more is being exposed.

by Left Is Right on 04/20/2007 10:09:31 AM EST

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We need something like Gorebama or Gorewards.  Possibly Richama.  Obama could also win if he picked  a different running mate, but Obama/Edwards is too wishy-washy imo.

GOD I WISH WES CLARK WOULD RUN.

by jarett on 04/20/2007 07:45:01 AM EST


Edwards just signed Joe Trippi to his staff who is a good fundraiser.

by acroso on 04/20/2007 01:02:44 PM EST


Is that the brilliant Joe Trippi who guided President Howard Dean to the White House?

by Twba on 04/20/2007 01:25:00 PM EST

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No its turd blossom who is up to his ass in scandals. Leave a message hes a bit busy

by Left Is Right on 04/21/2007 12:54:33 AM EST

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looking over the latest wikipedia poll numbers Hillary averages 33%.

Now 15% of the delegates are super delagates who are not apportioned based on primaries or caucases, so these will be important.

If Hillary can be kept to only 2/3 of these delagates she may be kept below 50% and so allow Edwards and Obama to squeak in.

I will try to find the 2004 primary numbers and see how many delegates are for each state and then rework the numbers.

by adamg on 04/22/2007 08:17:10 PM EST


"I will try to find the 2004 primary numbers and see how many delegates are for each state and then rework the numbers."

If you think Texas is in third place in the number of delegates, you better rework your numbers.


New York is currently in third place, and falling rapidly.

by KenTX on 04/22/2007 08:47:00 PM EST

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Here are the current delegate counts assuming 2004 delegate appropriations are the same.

<table style="width: 247pt; border-collapse: collapse" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="412" border="0"><tr height="18"><td style="width: 48pt; border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" width="64" height="18">State</td><td style="width: 55pt; border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" width="74">delegates</td><td style="width: 48pt; border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" width="64">Clinton</td><td style="width: 48pt; border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" width="64">Obama</td><td style="width: 48pt; border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" width="64">Edwards</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">AL</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">3</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">1.05</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">0.57</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">0.27</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">AZ</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">61</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">17.08</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">14.64</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">8.54</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">AR</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">3</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">1.47</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">0.48</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">0.36</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">CA</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">410</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">176.3</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">106.6</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">69.7</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">CO</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">8</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">2.72</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">1.84</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">1.36</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">CT</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">55</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">18.15</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">11.55</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">2.75</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">DE</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">17</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">5.78</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">3.23</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">1.7</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">FL</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">193</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">50.18</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">27.02</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">28.95</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">GA</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">94</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">23.5</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">20.68</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">18.8</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">IL</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">21</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">6.3</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">7.56</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">1.05</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">IA</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">52</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">9.88</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">10.4</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">14.04</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">Maine</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">30</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">12.3</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">5.1</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">4.2</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">Ma</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">118</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">37.76</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">21.24</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">22.42</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">MI</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">141</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">40.89</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">33.84</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">31.02</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">Missouri</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">84</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">25.2</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">15.12</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">14.28</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">NV</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">22</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">7.7</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">4.62</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">3.3</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">NH</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">25</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">7.25</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">5.75</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">5.75</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">NJ</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">14</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">5.74</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">3.08</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">1.82</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">NM</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">32</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">7.36</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">6.08</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">5.76</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">NY</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">275</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">134.75</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">46.75</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">30.25</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">NC</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">13</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">3.25</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">2.6</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">5.07</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">OH</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">150</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">48</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">33</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">16.5</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">OK</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">42</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">16.8</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">6.3</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">6.72</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">OR</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">5</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">1.55</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">1.05</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">0.4</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">PA</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">9</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">2.97</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">2.07</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">1.71</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">RI</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">30</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">9.9</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">4.5</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">2.4</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">SC</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">51</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">10.2</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">17.34</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">8.67</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">TN</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">75</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">26.25</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">15</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">15</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">TX</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">212</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">72.08</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">67.84</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">23.32</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">UT</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">25</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">7.75</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">4.5</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">2.25</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">VT</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">21</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">7.77</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">3.99</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">2.94</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">WA</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">89</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">28.48</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">5.34</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">8.9</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">WV</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">5</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">1.85</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">1.1</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">0.95</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">WI</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">82</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">29.52</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">17.22</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">13.94</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">TOTAL</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">2467</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">857.73</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">528</td><td style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">375.09</td></tr><tr height="18"><td style="border: #ece9d8; height: 13.2pt; background-color: transparent" height="18">%</td><td class="xl22" style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">100.00%</td><td class="xl22" style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">34.77%</td><td class="xl22" style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">21.40%</td><td class="xl22" style="border: #ece9d8; background-color: transparent" align="right">15.20%</td></tr></table>
As you can see Hillary comes in with just under 35% of delegates ith 34 states reporting.

This means that she needs to win all the super delagates in order to get the nomination.

If she gets 2/3 of the super delegates she ends up with 45% of the delegates and cannot win.

Note that neither can Edwards or Obama, who combined equal 41.6% including 1/3 of super delegates.

This is because many of the polls include Al Gore, who isn't running, as well at a large proportion of undecided voters.

However my hypothesis that Clinton, as best we know today, has not locked up the nomination.

She can still be defeated.

I will report back with new figures at the End of August.

by adamg on 04/22/2007 09:06:51 PM EST


http://www.rasmussenreports .com/Political%20Tracking/D emocratic%20Primaries/Democ raticPresidentialPrimary.ht m

OBAMA TIES WITH CLINTON!

4 consecutive weeks of OBAMAMENTUM!

Here's hoping for an Obama blowout during this thursday debate!

By next monday Obama may take the lead over Clinton!

by adamg on 04/23/2007 05:18:31 PM EST


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