04/30/2007 11:59:08 AM EST

Bring back Jill Pike!

posted by adamg

Am I the only one who misses Jill? Don't get me wrong Ben and Cenk are great but having 3 people debating is better than 2. I understand Jill's specialty is pop culture but she was also offered an fresh and eloquent view in her own right.

Why is she no longer on the show?

I understand she is now running absolute truth, but does that take so much time she can't also be on the regular show?

I yearn for the glory days of TYT when Ben, Jill and Cenk would interview a guest and Dave or JR would also chime in.

That is the way to run a political talk show! With a large and lively cast of characters.

Does anyone else agree or am I alone in my desire to see the original team reconstituted?

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Bring back Jill Pike! | 46 comments (46 topical, 0 hidden)
No, you're not alone. (none / 0)
The answer is "pressure from Air America."  Guaranteed.

by jarett on 04/30/2007 05:09:03 PM EST

She added some spice (none / 0)
Just freedom of speech capitalism at its finest.

by MountainMan on 04/30/2007 07:18:49 PM EST

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n (none / 1)
I definitely miss the old format of the show. Not only has Air America cost us Jill on the show, they've greatly shortened segments because of the constant barrage of commercials and they seem to have given the memo to stay almost completely focused on politics with little to no deviation possible. I'm what you might call a political junkie, but even someone like me can't stand a show that spend almost every second talking politics.

Even though I'm not extremely into entertainment news outside of which movie to go to on the weekend, I find the AT often very entertaining. Reminiscent of the TYT during the Sirius days, but without any politics. It's loose, casual, and nobody seems afraid to bring any topic up.

Just don't understand why Air America would want to pick up TYT and then basically force them to become little more than a slightly more entertaining version of their other stale political shows.

by Maverick4527 on 05/01/2007 11:51:22 AM EST

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Caution: contains "whathaveyou" (none / 0)

I understand the nature of TYT's new relationship with Air America, but the thought about format change being a bad decision crossed my mind as well.  It's possible that Air America simply believed they had a winning formula with their other shows and didn't want to risk changing the mix.  I'm not saying it makes any sense, I'm just saying.

I prefer political talk over Lindsay Lohan talk, but I also enjoy Ben & Cenk's little tangents about Sam's Club and brown sugar and Bruce Springstein and whathaveyou. Plus, regardless of the new lack of entertainment news, I still prefer TYT's sense of humor over other shows (for example:  Thom Hartmann is the smartest progressive host I can name, but those dumb musical parodies he comes back from commercial with have got to go, all of them).

by OneHitKill on 05/01/2007 12:32:45 PM EST

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Thom's okay (none / 0)
I think he often dumbs things down, actually.  The Turks are 100% smart 80% of the time -- when they're not, they're usually being really funny.

by jarett on 05/01/2007 06:08:16 PM EST

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um..actually, Thom is a genius (none / 0)

I would love to see you defend that ridiculous statement.  Thom is on a level that Ben and Cenk will likely never attain.  Thom has experience in nearly every country in the world.  He's written countless books, try reading one sometime ( maybe start with Screwed or Ancient Sunlight .)  He is one of the brightest individuals America has ever produced.  Jill Pike dumbs things down, rapidly.  In fact, when Jill comes on it's like taking a nose dive in one of Nasa's zero-gravity aircraft.  Items on your desk will likely start floating, like her amazing lighter-than-air head.

by yaRight on 05/06/2007 07:04:31 PM EST

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Different styles and Jill (none / 0)
 Thom Hartman has a totally different style than TYT but they both make their points handily. 

As far as Jill goes. She is perfect on The Absolute Truth. She always finds something fun, funny, bizarre to talk about or show.  When you are dealing with Hollywood, you never run out of good material and she always has a fun take on it. To me ,Jill is the main attraction on Absolute Truth, she can have anyone as a side kick and it is still fun and irreverent.

--- Truth To Power

by Leeberal on 05/07/2007 01:39:36 AM EST

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Sympathetic frequencies (none / 0)
I love Jill and I was sorry to see her disappear from the show, but I can't watch Abosolute Truth because she has a tendency to let her speaking voice escalate to a yell.  It doesn't even help to lower the volume of my speakers; I just can't listen to her when she is worked up about something.  Incidentally, I get the same way sometimes, but only when I'm drunk.

by OneHitKill on 05/01/2007 05:30:42 AM EST

Dating Jill (none / 0)
as she has made very clear on multiple occasions, especially on the AT, is probably a REALLY BAD IDEA.

Plus she's with Walter, God help him.  Don't get me wrong, I love Jilly and all, but she'll be the first one to tell you she's a bit nutters.

by jarett on 05/01/2007 06:10:17 PM EST

right.... (none / 0)
Jill's not going to throw her career down the drain from some dude......... She might be in love, but I know she's smarter than that....

Also if you've been watching the AT, you would know that she is the leader of the New Age Feminist Movement and surely a leader of that stature wouldn't let scrabble boy stop her from leading the world out of darkness???

by rev24 on 05/04/2007 01:28:14 PM EST

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Do I hear an Amen!!!!!!! (none / 0)
Air America should kick down some cash and bring back the Pike to the Young Turks!!!!  She's brilliant, hilarious, says whatever the fuck she wants, and brought wonders to the show!!!!   Jilly Jill will always get my vote.....

by rev24 on 05/04/2007 01:17:12 PM EST

Yes, HELL YES, Bring Jill Back!!!!! (none / 0)
Can't say any better than adamg, MountainMan, Maverick4527, rev24.   I loved the way she would go off - shrill or not - on some point as well as the way she made really good points.   And pointedly would ask "dumb" i.e. non-politically intellectual questions, which really helps listeners who are just beginning to be politcally aware feel comfortable. 

by saber on 05/06/2007 05:28:23 PM EST

Also she engaged with the Chatroom! (none / 0)
No one else on the show does, or even pays attention to ANY comments in the chatroom, at least as far as I can tell.  And they should.

by saber on 05/06/2007 05:31:35 PM EST

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gang of fools (none / 0)

Jill is a living example of why people given such a format should be able to explain why they have such.  Like, perhaps, virtues such as intelligence, experience of some kind, even relevance.  Not simply connections and a family with wealth and power.

Jill is an airhead and an embarrassment to Air America, hence her departure from TYT.  I notice that all of you that rave about her have yet to point out a reason.  One, perhaps, with an example ( "..she's sooo intelligent.." )  However, being as one of you claims that Thom "dumbs" down AA, well, that's an astounding statement.  It's one I've never heard before applied to Thom who is nearly universally considered a genius, even by his detractors.  Many of these detractors have so much respect for the guy that they actually come on his show.  As do Senators, including one on a weekly basis.  Obviously being a fool precludes one from recognizing a genius.  Being in a gang of posters with a fool would preclude one from being a genius.  So, I guess all this nonsense about the worth of an airhead like Jill makes sense, coming from the crowd in this particular thread. 

by yaRight on 05/06/2007 07:16:29 PM EST

Wow. Thanks yaRight for being able to condescend (none / 0)
so far as to engage with us on this blog post.

Although you say otherwise, I, for one, pointed out several concrete reasons why Jill was and is good for TYT. It is not a complete list of reasons but I was trying to keep to a brief, to the point reply. Perhaps I was too brief or too inanely stupid in my explanations for you to comprehend them.

Jill is not an airhead, which I think you would realize if you had listened with any regularity to the show. Sometimes she may play one. Sometimes she may sound like one. But she is not one. Many of her comments and questions - which obviously seem to you as not only overly simplistic and stupid, but ones only fools, idiots, infants or the pathetically ignorant would make or ask - are made because she isn’t a total political wonk and may not know the particular point or issue being discussed or she knows that not all listeners know or understand the particular point or issue being discussed.

Jill also added a great dynamic to TYT and helped make them into a fun, well-rounded show. I love it when she guest hosts. You might not appreciate or understand her sense of humor, but I do, and, obviously, so do many others. Jill started out as an intern on the show and garnered a big following. She also booked and scheduled guests (including Senators and Representatives) for TYT. She didn’t just sit on her ass let her “connections” do the job.


by saber on 05/07/2007 11:38:26 AM EST

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agree, disagree, disagree (none / 0)

Look Sabre, I agree with you on some points which you've made well.  I also agree that being willing to engage in the chat room is somewhat laudable.  That she speaks with a breadth  common to others is a fair issue to raise, and one I don't, perhaps, fully consider.  However, you've clarified more precisely the issue I have with Jill, which is this; she crosses the fine line between the innocuous and the malignant.  If she was either more accepting or encompassing with the position you've spelled out, then I might be with you in seeing the virtues of her inclusion However, in the moments she provides unqualified commentary she lowers the potential of TYT, and adds wide leverage to some ugly talk.

For example, when she goes on stating how Jews are good at business, then laments that they resist such a label since, in her opinion, it's a good one.  This is a level of ignorance that, together with many more serious but likewise opinions, caused the near annihilation of a group of people.  When she proselytizes about corruption then heralds Sherron Watkins ( Enron VP ) as a whistleblower she exposes a lack or something beyond information.  Bad enough that the information is readily available to anyone with an internet connection and the patience to read about seven pages of text. If you read what Watkins actually wrote it is shocking not only in its complete disregard for the law and those shareholders that were about to lose their life savings, but it is completely undressed in it's purpose; to protect Ms Watkins' assets and reputation.  Oh, and she never actually blew a whistle, she notified neither the media nor law enforcement.  Rather she whispered a warning hoot to a handful of executives that were not only aware of every issue she pointed out, in fact they were the ones perpetrating the crime.  But I digress.

In other words; if Jill stuck to stating what she knew and questioned ( fairly ) that which she didn't, there would be merit to your argument for her inclusion.  Since she often states facts that she clearly hasn't bothered to learn, and speaks with authority about that which she should be inquiring as a student, well, she diminishes the integrity of the show and instead adds to the pool of that which has been committed to the archives of conventional wisdom as dangerous banter and ugly talk.

by yaRight on 05/07/2007 02:59:50 PM EST

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ns (none / 0)
I'll just go ahead and ignore Yaright. He/she seems to be a rather angry person and many here have already responded to his/her posts.

The problem ever since the move to Air America has been the drastically short segments. Even when Jill was still technically on the show, she was always the third host and with the shortened segments, only Cenk and Ben having time to talk with Jill have little time to get a word in edgewise. Jill will never have next to any on air role as long as TYT are on Air America.

I think if they actually do produce The Absolute Truth for radio and it's possibly expanded beyond an hour in length, they'd be wise to open the show up to some politically related topics on a semi regular basis, like Jill's recent comments on what the Pope said about abortion. It could be like TYT from the Sirius days, but instead of it be focused on politics with entertainment/personal stories thrown in, it would be the reverse.  

by Maverick4527 on 05/10/2007 09:28:05 PM EST

Absolute Truth for radio (none / 0)
Jill's recent comments on the what the Pope said were something like: We have separation of Church and State here in America, so bud out stupid!. Do you think the average radio listener is going to lower the bar for Jill as much as her groupies on this forum do?

by mrscience on 05/11/2007 01:49:07 AM EST

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so true (none / 0)

thank you, MrScience, for offering something the groupies seen never to; a point well stated.  My recent blog entry "The Problem with Jill" opened with my observation that "...she crosses the fine line between the innocuous and the malignant..."  Then, today I watched about five minutes of Absolute Truth, which admittedly I've only seen one other time.  Still, in that five minutes Jill is giddy over a video of a small child, about four years old, terrified by that trick where during a game on the computer, some prankster will cause a horrifying image to suddenly appear.  This causes people to react in terror, which some people find funny.  This poor kid shrieked, flailed in terror at the screen, ran from it and then cried uncontrollable.  It was actually an act of child abuse and no laughing matter.  You wouldn't find any professional that works with children that would state that this is okay.  Yet Jill laughs her head off and states, verbatim, "..I love watching kids cry..."  To which her sorority  co-hostess laughs "you need to bring this up with your counselor."  I could hardly think of a more clear example of exactly what I was talking about with ever criticism I've had of Jill.  I guess this is the "says what's on her mind" part of what her groupies were talking about.  Unfortunate, lacking any depth of thought themselves, they seem to miss a critical point.  The part of "speaking" one's mind that makes such important is to have something worthwhile in that mind to speak in the first place.  This is also what I meant by people with a platform needing to be able to justify it.  As though we didn't have enough mindlessness in our media as it is, her supporters feel that without her it would be too intelligent.  That they would get bored.  It's no wonder that we have a media that can get away with avoiding any serious topic, no matter what peril our country is in, or causing.  It's no wonder the Republicans got such a foothold, look no further than Jill's supporters.  Because they and the right wing loonies are one and the same.  The both seek the irrelevant.  They both hate to think.  The both can't defend their points so seek to be in packs.  The both are mindless and dangerous.  They both are complete followers.  The only difference is that by accident,  geography or fate, they happen to follow different leaders.  After thirty entries to the thread not a single point

I mentioned, and provided implicit and explicit examples of the issues I had with Jill.  After 31 posts to the thread, not one point I made was addressed ( with one exception )  The responses were,  essentially that:

I'm jealous ...don't have my own show

She is hot, therefore who cares

just stop ( criticizing )

Don't watch

We like her because she *isn't* that bright, therefore speaks for us

We like her because she make things irreverent, so we don't have to think too hard, or get too much solid info which makes us feel dumb. 

Don't be so serious

you ( I ) repeated statements, which, apparently, is much more relevant than the content of what I stated. 

by yaRight on 05/12/2007 12:26:20 AM EST

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En garde. Prêt. Allez (none / 0)

I don't doubt for a moment that any discussion with you, KenTX, would be both educational and interesting.  Although I'm overstepping my bounds here, I would be surprised if you fit the mold of the current Republican, although you may be cast with them, my guess would be that you began much earlier.  It's an assumption based on what I've read of your words which are from someone *far* too intelligent to be lumped with those that are not.

I also wouldn't be surprised if I found myself groping to defend your challenges, or counter your assertions.  Again, I'm guessing there is a canyon between our political ideologies but I am much more proud to have you as a fellow American than I am of most of the "liberals" on this board.   You think for yourself, defend your positions and are unafraid to stand alone with an opinion.  These traits are painfully rare and were once the basics building blocks of a nation

by yaRight on 05/12/2007 01:16:53 AM EST

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Of which nation, I could not say (none / 0)

"I would be surprised if you fit the mold of the current Republican"

Making fun of his weight?  That's LOW... 

by OneHitKill on 05/12/2007 05:52:24 AM EST

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ns (none / 0)
If you're talking about what she mostly recent said about the Pope, it was about how the Pope was saying how the names given for various abortion clinics and the term "death with dignity" for assisted suicides made the processes more appealing to people. One, most people probably hadn't known what the Pope said, and Jill probably spoke for most sensible people when she criticized those comments for the BS they are and the Pope for saying them in the first place.

Like I've said before, some of you guys need to relax when it comes to political discussions. It's almost as if someone who doesn't have at least a master's degree or gotten their Democratic Party credentials verified recently is just not acceptable to even listen to for someone like you. Have a little faith in the general public, who may actually respond to someone who doesn't sound like they have their heads buried in political news stories all day long.

For supposedly tolerant and open people, we're pretty uptight when it comes to our those who share our point of view and express them on the airwaves.

by Maverick4527 on 05/11/2007 08:49:57 PM EST

I'm not being uptight. (none / 0)
Man, you're making way too many assumptions about me. I'm not a political junkie, I simply want quality. To have that you need qualified people. I don't like Jill on the show. Frankly, she annoys me. Does that make me narrow minded? Am I being intolerant for having the temerity to dissent? Please, spare me your straw-man arguments.

by mrscience on 05/12/2007 12:01:07 AM EST

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Maverick of what? (none / 0)

yes Maverick, you've made yourself very clear.  Stupid is good and thought is bad.  Problem is, thanks to people like you, we have a media that will offer little else.  Because of the influence of mindless Americans like yourself, that somehow feel anything that isn't peppered with ignorant, irrelevant crap is too much of a burden to absorb, we have nothing but.  That's how our country got into this mess in the first place.  The networks got away with failing us by offering the Mavericks of this country reality TV, American Idol and Jill Pike.  Can't have anyone that "sounds" like they have a masters degree ( someone who sounds intelligent ), that makes Maverick feel insecure and bores him to quickly, all that pointless thinking and stuff.

There is no loss of irony that a site like this which should be fertile with progressive and serious thinkers is, in fact, full of ignorant followers and tools that go by names like Maverick and OneShotKill.  In your weak objections to anything intelligent I can see the path that led America to its current, pitiful state.

It's surprising you take so much pride in needing a dumber, more irrelevant presentation. 

by yaRight on 05/12/2007 12:38:39 AM EST

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Could be worse, couldn't it? Ya. Right? (none / 0)

It's OneHITkill, and don't you forget it.  Guns are for weenies.

Does this mean you're finished thinking about the advice I gave you?  Do you REMEMBER the advice I gave you?  It was something along the lines of, "If you run around calling everybody stupid, you force others to consider the possibility that you have special needs.  And you are obsessed with Jill's breasts.  But that's okay.  Who isn't?" 

by OneHitKill on 05/12/2007 05:56:37 AM EST

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well.... (none / 0)

you bring up some good points and I agree with you that the left has often been condescending and suffers a loss of support as a consequence.  However, I don't criticize people for what they don't know.  Nor do I think I'm qualified to do such.  I *may* criticize those stating as fact that which they don't know.  I *will* criticize those with public platform that are painfully unqualified.  Especially in light of the fact that there are plenty of smart, qualified people that can accomplish what you've rightfully pointed out as a substantive goal--to be able to educate.  Part of education is asking questions and in lieu of having a forum where we students can raise our hands, perhaps it's fair to have someone like Jill do this for us; ask the questions we are unable to.

And that's the essence of my criticism of her.  If this was all she did, it might be defendable, although I would still assert that there are far more qualified "hand raisers" to pose the questions that Maverick rightly points out many people may have.  Problem is, she doesn't.  As I've stated more than once, this is where she crosses the line into being malignant.  She is a lousy example of a public inquisitor, if you will.  She also often injects far more than questions.  She's not particularly bright, capable, informed or experienced in the world.  And she doesn’t have to be.  But given that many are, the question of what virtue gives her the position she is in seems to be a fair one.  I could answer that question, although arguably, for Ben and Cenk, even though I may disagree with them on some issues.  If you look into it you will find that Jill got her position via connections.  To a degree, so did Ben and Cenk but they have stepped up to it and earned much of it along the way.  Jill has not.

 

by yaRight on 05/12/2007 03:32:14 PM EST

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hum... (none / 0)
If I have to hear ya Right repeat himself again in regards to Jill "crossing the line into being malignant" I think I'm going to throw up.  I'm pretty confident that you're capable of coming up with new material so please drop the pathetic "talking points."  In regards to Jill getting her job because of her connections - Welcome to America!  It is also my understanding that she worked her *ss off as an intern and was also instrumental in lining up the guests for the show. 

Lastly I'm at a lost in regards to these groupies you speak of who roam and speak in a pack?  Personally I find Jill to be an intelligent, funny, entertaining, insightful, rebellious woman who offers something new to Air America’s insightful/informative yet sometimes boring shows.  Yes Thom Hartmann’s amazing, but similar to Randi Rhodes, I’d be damned if I had to listen to them on a regular basis.  The information is great, but the presentation I find boring.  It was great for the first couple of years, but I look to TYT, especially with the inclusion of Jill Pike for a show that will inform and entertain for the long run.  And of course a little eye candy never hurts!!!

by rev24 on 05/12/2007 09:13:36 PM EST

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"welcome to America" (none / 0)

well, nepotism need be part of America as long as people like you brush it off as part of a welcome.  When you make ridiculous statements like "welcome to America" rather than scrutinize a person for gaining a position based on connections and money, rather than talent and ability you not only normalize the act, you are part of keeping it alive.

So, rev24, I assume you feel the same about George Bush, right?  It's just part of being in America, right?  Oh, no?  Well what's the difference.  Oh, is it because Jill nepotism got her on radio, and Bush's got him a presidency.  When does it start to matter?

To state that Thom Hartmen is anything like Randi Rhodes explains quite clearly why you have such esteem for an airhead like Jill--you're suffering from the same condition.  No doubt possible.  Thank god the people in charge of AirAmerica aren't stupid and are well aware of Jill's limitations.  You won't see or hear her eight months from now.  She's reached the end of her nepotistic rope. 

Of course you find intelligent talk boring.  Much as little children do when exposed to too much adult talk.  It's not that it's so complicated, you're just not interested in real issues.  Mindless banter is so much easier to digest.  Fortunately for you, you aren't alone and the media is full of little else.  You need only turn on your TV, radio, whatever and you'll have all the mindless, expressionless, inartistic, reality show, simple, uninspiring, un-educational crap.  

I'm starting to realize that ignorance is only the symptom.  The real problem is lazy.  It would make sense if we take other metrics into account.  Americans are fatter than ever and I would bet my life that nearly all of Jill's supporters are overweight.  That's really it.  You're lazy.  That's what keeps you ignorant.  That's what keeps you fat.  As the dean in Animal House once stated...( paraphrase ) "...fat, sloppy and ignorant is no way to go through life, son..." 

by yaRight on 05/12/2007 10:28:17 PM EST

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eating it up!!! (none / 0)
Whether it's nepotism or hard work that got Jill her job with the Young Turks I really don't care.  I'm just happy that she's with TYT even if she's not a regular anymore.  Obviously, I have problems with nepotism, however, I think you miscontrued my "welcome to America" comment.  I'm starting to like your style a little more yaRight and you'd probably be surprised that I agree with you on more issues than you might think. 

I liked your banter on why I find intelligent talk boring.  It was a nice stretch, however, I'd have to disagree with you on my life.  Initially, I loved Thom Hartmann and his insight as an alternative to Al Franken and his frivolous entertainment talk show when I first heard him. However after months of listening him, I grew tired of Thom as radio host.  Where you have me confused is that I I'm like a sponge as it relates to the information and knowledge.  On a daily basis, I can only take so much and I find my time well spent reading the newspaper, magazines, internet articles/blogs, etc. instead of listening to radio personalities that annoy me if I listen to them too much.  Yes I sometimes watch a little CNN and MSNBC mixed in with a little comedy central, but as a whole I feel I lead a pretty progressive, intellectual life.  In regards to TYT, they are the first show that I can listen to on a regular basis that is progressive, informative, and entertaining at the same time.  Yes I listen to shows that are strictly informative though not on a daily basis. 

Lastly, I agree with you that there are a lot of fat/lazy Americans out there, however, for the record, I wear a 29 inch waist and skate and surf virtually everyday.  In regards to the lazy and ignorant comment, I'd have to say your off your rocker if you think you have all of Jill's fans pegged down. 

by rev24 on 05/12/2007 11:59:18 PM EST

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ns (none / 0)
Honestly, I see the path that helps people who are already ignorant and unaware of important issues remain so because the people who are often aware of such issues put themselves on such a high pedestal that they are often incredibly condescending or downright hostile to those that don't. People like yourself have little patience for people like those and make little effort to respect them or try to help bridge the gap in understanding these issues.

Like I said before, if Jill went too far or didn't have a firm understanding of the issue, Cenk and Ben were there to help with that. You see, the problem with this is again Air America. The shorter segments don't provide for much explanation of an issue, which is largely only beneficial to those that already understand and just want to hear the hosts' take on it. Jill is a smart woman and as the course of this show's history has shown, has shown a greater understanding of these issues as time goes along. I don't think most political novices would take to understanding these issues very differently or grasp them in any tremendously shorter period of time. Many of these issues are extremely complex and the reason we have to dumb down our talking points every election cycle is because we rarely make the effort or are given the time to properly explain them to the public the rest during the rest of the legislative session. Our politicians don't and what we largely do in progressive radio is preach to the already politically&nb sp;well versed and converted.

I think progressive talk radio has the ability to enlighten and not just serve as the forum for Bush/Republican/weak Democrat ranting day in and out.  It should be used to create an inviting forum for people to gain an understanding of these issues and not feel like they are being talked down to or are listening in on an exclusive club that they have to earn a right to even participate in.
Having a third host to be that type of person and to ask questions and provoke a more frank discussion of an issue helped to provide something more closely resembling that inviting forum I'd like to see on progressive radio.

by Maverick4527 on 05/12/2007 12:39:59 PM EST

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got it (none / 0)

Okay, OneHitKIll. Got it.  And I agree, guns are for weenies, generally.  But I don't necessarily begrudge someone using them.  I am, and I'm guessing you are, over 190lbs and able to put up a formidable defense without the use of accoutrements.  However, if somebody attacked my sister, I wouldn't have a problem with her using a firearm to defend herself.

by yaRight on 05/12/2007 03:11:01 PM EST

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damn, I meant the OneHitKill for Maverik, and v/v (none / 0)
oops, I meant the comment left for OneHitKill to be for Maverick, and visa-versa.

by yaRight on 05/12/2007 03:34:48 PM EST

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No refunds (none / 0)
Too late, I'm taking the reply I got and running like hell.

by OneHitKill on 05/12/2007 11:31:12 PM EST

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Jill (none / 0)
She was awful on TYT-never asked an informed question of guests; all she did was whine that she didn't get enough attention.  I think TYT is a thousand percent better with her gone.  She is fine for absolute truth the shallowness of the gossip show suits her perfectly.

by gr8shoes on 05/14/2007 01:41:36 PM EST

AMEN to gr8shoes (none / 0)

gr8shoes, I hail you **[..deep bow.. ]**

Oh, and have fun with the attacks you'll soon receive.  Also notice that few will actually respond to the valid and well stated issues you've presented; and those that do will not provide an example.

In fact, you can ignore them all.  I'll summarize them for you in advance.

1.) just go away

2.) damnit, you're angry...ya hear me, ANGRY!

3.) here's a list of the generic version of a handful of mood altering pharmaceuticals that I've tried.

4.) Jill's sooo hot

5.) Jill's sooo intelligent ( period, no examples available )

6.) Jill breaks the monotony of intelligent talk with irrelevant nonsense that I can relate to.

7.) we don't have discussions, we can't.  Therefore, the decision was made before we got her that we like Jill.  Therefore you are out of line to contest and agreed belief.  That requires thought.

8.) Just ignore him everybody.  Soon he'll leave our sandbox.  Pass the pail and shovel.  Ohhh sand.

9.) Dissention?!  That's just creepy.  

by yaRight on 05/14/2007 05:47:11 PM EST

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Obsession for men (none / 0)

gr8shoes, I hail you **[..deep blow.. ]**

[and then, several piles of crap later...] 

...Just ignore him everybody.  Soon he'll leave our sandbox.

Don't worry, YaYaSister, I won't ignore you.  You deserve every bit of examination I have to offer you.  Dissent is fun and all...but why not on an issue that matters? 

I have never said I thought Jill was hot, because she's not my type.  So, tempting though it may be, you can't lump all your opponents into the distended caricature you've created.  You're just creating a legacy of inaccuracy for yourself.  I think most of the people who disagree with you now are just sick of your one-track mind and would like to find out what you think about something more important.

by OneHitKill on 05/14/2007 10:58:11 PM EST

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Jill's false illusions become dangerous (none / 0)

Well, apparently Cenk won the little foot race bet they had.  Apparently again she can't even run but, in fact, waddles.  Apparently she didn't even finish the race and needed to have 911 called because even attempting two miles is enough to make her pass out.

See, you folks are going to be the death of her.  You've helped to convince her that she posses some intelligence or relevance when she hasn't a scratch of either.  This is something that much of the community in her area laughs about behind her back, and something she'll have thrown in her face long after her departure from the public eye ( and ear ) which is coming fast.

I can't help but wonder if that same illusion of grandeur made her think she had any athletic capability.  You don't help her or the progressive community by encouraging this illusion.  You're putting her farther from facing herself, which is the departure point of gaining full personhood.  You prolong her public embracement and convince her she is capable of feats that she has no place playing with and, apparently, can be dangerous to her health.

Okay, begin your mindless attacks...NOW-- 

by yaRight on 05/14/2007 05:57:39 PM EST

In need of control data (none / 0)

I'm curious, what other women that you find attractive do you hate with every fibre of your being?

Your mother doesn't count. 

by OneHitKill on 05/14/2007 11:00:18 PM EST

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ns. (none / 0)
I don't have anything further to say except you obviously have a problem and can't stop obsessing over Jill. We enjoyed listening to her on TYT and you don't. There's nothing either of us could say to change the other's mind.

Just let it go.

by Maverick4527 on 05/14/2007 07:59:37 PM EST

Texas lost the Alamo really badly. (none / 0)
jill was great.  She was fun, witty, charming, dainty, beautiful, sexy, alluring, pointed intellect, and an ability to soften the interactions of all of the hosts.  I'll absolutely miss her.Young Jill at college

by GAatheist on 05/16/2007 11:50:07 AM EST

the english effect... (none / 0)
great pic, but them teeth are scaring me!

by rev24 on 06/13/2007 01:14:14 AM EST

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Breakfast of Champions (none / 0)
Careful, lest you suffer the fate of TiggerPorn.  The show is called TYT, not TIT.

by OneHitKill on 07/01/2007 05:16:21 AM EST

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YIKES! (none / 0)
Damn GA...  I wasn't expecting that so early in the morning.  Is that a friend of yours? ; )

by Baileysirish on 06/12/2007 07:45:43 AM EST

Vacation Time's Up!!!! (none / 0)
What's up with the AT - I'm sick of going to strip clubs to satsify my dark desires.  Screw Cenk if he wants to lollygag on the East Coast - We need the Pikester!!!

by rev24 on 06/28/2007 10:55:40 PM EST

jill (none / 0)

by bsurgeon on 06/30/2007 10:59:21 PM EST

No more iconic Jill Pic... (none / 0)
It's official - Jill's Pikes pic at the top of the website has been removed.  At least TYT didn't get lazy and just photoshop her out. 

by rev24 on 07/25/2007 11:13:57 AM EST

Bring back Jill Pike! | 46 comments (46 topical, 0 hidden)
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