Is Planned Parenthood/abortion killing more AFrican Americans than any other cause?

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The local Planned Parenthood clinic moved out of the mostly white suburban town near me...

Yet the Planned Parenthood clinic in the mostly black city of Gary stays & grinds on and on and on...

Hint: Guess where 70% of the abortion clinics are located? 

Guess what is the NUMBER one CAUSE OF DEATH
FOR african americans?


(Fortunately, my biracial son was NOT aborted by his mother, but it is LIKELY he lost siblings, other family members...to that Gary clinic!!!)

Details are below...

http://afgen.com/populat40. html

You can check other stats to see the basic same conclusion  -  Abortion kills more persons of color than anything else!!!!

Francis Galton (the Victorian scientist/social theory guy who CAME UP with "eugenics" which the Nazis took to the full "logicall" conclusion) would be PROUD! His theories live on 
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Vikingmother,

Clearly you have more than a passing interest and investment in this issue.  You seem to be a person who puts your money where your mouth is, a lot more than I can say for many pro-life champions.

There is a common ground between people who want abortions made illegal and those who think it should remain legal as option.  That common ground is that both groups would almost certainly agree that the rarer abortion is, the better.  Why not work toward this end, this common ground, instead of arguing for a total ban?  Work toward educating people on preventing unwanted pregnancies and just maybe abortion would eventually become rare enough that it wouldn't be an issue anymore.  We don't arm young people with good information.  The issue isn't black or white, it's ignorance or education.  There is a reachable goal somewhere between the exremes of unlimited abortions and throwing people in prison for them.

by bfaul on 07/26/2007 09:52:53 PM EST


This is the most reasonable comment by someone with an otherwise opposing view I have encountered here...in a long time.

Just today I got more info from "Feminists for Life":

http://www.feministsforlife .org/cop/schedule.htm

They did recently speak at Northwestern U (Chicago area) and amazed the audience.

Serrin Foster mainly ASKED questions like "What are your resources for pregnant college women?" When some questioned why she was asking, she got laughs by saying (the obvious but forgotten consequence) that since it was "sex week"
....usually sex and pregnancy go together.

She helped the audience put together a list of resources for pregnant college women for a web site there & then.

We may find we need these kids.  Some countries in Europe are declining in population...

by vikingmother on 08/07/2007 04:40:55 PM EST

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VikingMother's assertion has some basis in fact. Legalized abortion kills one million future Democrats every year.

In addition, long prison sentences prevent the birth of five million future Democrats every year.

by KenTX on 07/26/2007 11:25:43 PM EST


That's what amnesties are for- bring in 10's of millions of uneducated, non-English speaking, law-breakers, and grant them citizenship in mass in exchange for voting Democrat.

The illegal aliens get citizenship, get access to our welfare system, and get to reconquer land we stole from them. In exchange white elites like Kerry, Hillary etc get temporary power granted to them by foreign nationals.

 This is the current state of political pandering by the Democrats.

 

by acroso on 07/26/2007 11:35:55 PM EST

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So, by this logic, I kill millions of future Democrats every time I beat off.  Reasonable people can disagree, but the rhetoric ends the conversation before it begins.  This is what prevents us from progressing, this zero-sum attitude in political debate.

by homer on 07/27/2007 08:58:32 AM EST


Her question itself assumes one is "killing" a human being even with a first term abortion. There is, and probably always will be, much disagreement on just when a clump of cells becomes a person.

Now insert all the pictures of cute little embryos here: 

by MountainMan on 07/27/2007 10:42:19 AM EST

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I can't pretend that I would have felt the same pain had my child died a few weeks after conception...

but scientifically, the child's DNA is put together almost immediately.  If you remember the "Jurassic Park" premise, the massive, detailed DNA code describing the person is the source by which the person is later fully assembled.

Let's OVERVALUE the fetus...not undervalue him or her. 

by vikingmother on 08/07/2007 04:45:59 PM EST

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"This is what prevents us from progressing, this zero-sum attitude in political debate."

I am very happy that one million future Democrats are aborted every year. Liberals are driving themselves into extinction, and the sooner the better.

by KenTX on 07/27/2007 10:52:53 AM EST

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How many conservatives have abortions. They just fly off on "vacation" to private "clubs" and come back refreshed.

Kind of like the way they don't cheat on their spouses and have better "family values". 

by MountainMan on 07/27/2007 11:15:29 AM EST

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Don't you see?  Republicans DO have family values.  Actually, they all have the same family value.  That value is precisely zero.

by OneHitKill on 07/27/2007 12:29:33 PM EST

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"Guess where 70% of the abortion clinics are located?" In poor neighborhoods where people can't afford health care much less birth control--naturally--should be obvious.

The antichoice/antiabortion people mean well, but have the issue backwards. The problem isn't that there are too many abortions--the problem is that there are too many unwanted pregnancies.

It's a health care issue. By demonizing those of us who think that women should have full control of their own bodies, it's counterproductive. So, you want fewer abortions? Then support universal single-payer health care that's not dependent on employers. It doesn't have to be a government program, although it will be cheaper and more efficient if the government rather than private insurance companies run the program--private costs $20 per $100 insurance premium, public costs $5 per $100 premium. Public/private partnerships work OK, as in France, the country that has been number 1 in health care for several years.

It's an employment issue. It's an education issue. People who can barely afford to put food on the table often don't have the education level to get a good job, and to make reasoned health care decisions. 

Aborting a blastocycst or embryo is hardly murder, especially considering how many are destroyed in the natural course of a woman's life, and at invitro fertilization clinics. That is purely an individual and/or religious interpretation and a personal decision. There may be different considerations with a 30 week old fetus. However, a woman who is prohibited from deciding whether she will continue with a pregnancy is no better than a slave. Worse, those who lobby or legislate to prevent women from getting access to effective birth control and adequate health care are morally repugnant and reprehensible.

The 'African-American' blastocysts/embryos/fetuses that were aborted are the result of poor health care, not the availability of legal affordable abortions. Few women would choose abortion as their primary means of birth control. Banning abortions will NOT prevent abortions--never did, except in some fantasy world where there are no coat hangers or ergotrate or violent partners.

by zenie on 07/27/2007 11:12:21 AM EST


“There may be different considerations with a 30 week old fetus. However, a woman who is prohibited from deciding whether she will continue with a pregnancy is no better than a slave.”

That’s an interesting couplet. I hope you’re still around to elaborate.

Just for the sake of argument, let’s say the fetus is 33 weeks old, and the woman has decided that she wants to terminate the pregnancy of the “baby”, which would be considered reasonably viable if delivered via caesarean. Should the woman be “prohibited from deciding whether she will continue with a pregnancy”? If so, is she no better than a slave? And who gets to make the decision regarding her ability to terminate the pregnancy? The Supreme Court? The state legislature?

by KenTX on 07/29/2007 03:53:21 AM EST

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Since you're never going to have to make a personal choice about carrying an unwanted pregnancy, it's not likely you would be sympathetic to a woman who is forced to do so--or maybe you would, I don't know.

Who gets to decide whether she can terminate the pregnancy? She should, of course. Anything else is forced pregnancy. It's a cruel and unreasonable punishment to force a woman to continue a pregnancy. How is that different from slavery? Pregnancy is dangerous. The mortality and casualty rate for pregnant women around the world is high. And don't make stupid comments about abortion and fetal mortality--that's not relevant. Better that she makes decisions for herself than to leave it to disinterested strangers. 


 

by zenie on 07/30/2007 11:14:59 PM EST

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“Since you're never going to have to make a personal choice about carrying an unwanted pregnancy, it's not likely you would be sympathetic to a woman who is forced to do so--or maybe you would, I don't know.”

In the interest of background, I am married to an abortion rights activist who has marched on D.C. on two occasions. She is also a member of the Minutemen organization and the Libertarian Party. I get dragged to more political events in Crawford, Washington, Arizona, and other places than you can possibly imagine.

I am absolutely pro-choice, but there is a moderate center on this issue that is reasonable. It is ridiculous to argue that a microscopic clump of embryonic cells cannot be removed from a woman’s body. It is similarly ridiculous to argue that a 33 week old otherwise-healthy fetus can be legally destroyed if the mother develops second thoughts about going through with delivery. People who advocate either extreme are dangerously deluded.

There are limits when it comes to a woman’s rights during pregnancy. Her ability to choose the destiny of the child goes only so far, and then she is restricted by law. I know you don’t like it, but you have to deal with it. These laws are written by state and federal legislatures and constitutionally upheld by the Supreme Court.

by KenTX on 07/31/2007 12:01:38 AM EST

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I remember when the 1960's women's movement focused on the ECONOMIC issues crushing women.

I.e. the fact they are paid less even for the same work.

As far as I have seen, the situation has improved, but there is STILL a significant salary gap.

But the culture pushes women to get rid of "excess kids" and calls it "your choice" "your right". 

by vikingmother on 08/07/2007 04:54:48 PM EST

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Of course your argument is totally logical and makes perfect sense. But when you are dealing with people who think that masturbation is murder. That hardly matters.

by Mr Pibb on 07/29/2007 04:02:45 PM EST

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An assertion was made above:

"Few women would choose abortion as their primary means of birth control."

But (estimated 47 million legal abortions between 1973 and now) they ARE choosing it..In VAST NUMBERS.

And this includes many in their teen years.  There are probably many facets to this issue...

One unexplored area
I think there is a short term desire in some couples to "CREATE A BABY TOGETHER". A living example is a relation of mine. He has "sired" and put up for adoption three babies (that I know of).  Possibly he has sired several more...maybe some girlfriends just aborted them & didn't tell him.  Yet we KNOW he has used pregnancy prevention stuff when he wants to.

by vikingmother on 08/07/2007 04:52:09 PM EST

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