07/28/2007 07:46:29 PM EST

Enough! Of What?

posted by Mr Pibb

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Thanks for asking me "Enough of What?"

I've had Enough of the corruption, incompetence and lawlessness of this administration:

1.  Violating the United Nations Charter by launching an illegal "War of Aggression"
against Iraq without cause, using fraud to sell the war to Congress and the public,
misusing government funds to begin bombing without Congressional authorization,
and subjecting our military personnel to unnecessary harm, debilitating injuries, and
deaths.

2.  Violating U.S. and international law by authorizing the torture of thousands of
captives, resulting in dozens of deaths, and keeping prisoners hidden from the
International Committee of the Red Cross.

3.  Violating the Constitution by arbitrarily detaining Americans, legal residents, and
non-Americans, without due process, without charge, and without access to counsel.

4.  Violating the Geneva Conventions by targeting civilians, journalists, hospitals,
and ambulances, and using illegal weapons, including white phosphorous, depleted
uranium, and a new type of napalm.

5.  Violating U.S. law and the Constitution through widespread wiretapping of the
phone calls and emails of Americans without a warrant.

6.  Violating the Constitution by using "signing statements" to defy hundreds of laws
passed by Congress.

7.  Violating U.S. and state law by obstructing honest elections in 2000, 2002, 2004,
and 2006.

8.  Violating U.S. law by using paid propaganda and disinformation, selectively and
misleadingly leaking classified information, and exposing the identity of a covert CIA
operative working on sensitive WMD proliferation for political retribution.

9.  Subverting the Constitution and abusing Presidential power by asserting a "Unitary
Executive Theory" giving unlimited powers to the President, by obstructing efforts by
Congress and the Courts to review and restrict Presidential actions, and by promoting
and signing legislation negating the Bill of Rights and the Writ of Habeas Corpus.

10. Gross negligence in failing to assist New Orleans residents after Hurricane Katrina,
in ignoring urgent warnings of an Al Qaeda attack prior to Sept. 11, 2001, and in
increasing air pollution causing global warming.

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Now, here is the question (none / 0)
Which of these could you theoretically prove in a court of law?

It seems to me that we liberals have a lot of circumstantial evidence but no smoking guns (largely because the Republicans in Congress and the White House are very, very good at corruption).

Typical Republican defenses are in parentheses.

Prove the war was launched without cause.  (WAAAH WE ALL HAD THE SAME INTELLIGENCE OMG!)

Prove that we authorized torture.  (At no time was it ever authorized, it was isolated acts, etc.)

When did Americans or legal residents not get due process?  (The Constitution does not apply to non-Americans, etc.)

Prove we targeted civilians.  Prove WP was used as a weapon.  (WP is only an illuminator, etc.)

Prove we wiretapped American-to-American phone calls with no warrant -- under Bush's order.  (International phone calls are not subject to FISA)

Prove Bush's signing statements are unConstitutional. (Unfortunately, you can't, though they SHOULD be, as they amount to a line-item veto)

Prove elections were obstructed by Republicans.  (This might actually be the easiest out of all these, but it's just about impossible to connect to the Bush White House)

Prove exposing Plame was against the law.  (This doesn't seem to be clear to anyone -- again, it SHOULD have been against the law, but the VP is a classification authority)

Prove the Bill of Rights and habeas corpus have been suspended for anyone other than non-Americans living overseas.  (This should also be easy, but the answer is "so what?")

Prove the warnings should not have been ignored, or that there was any evidence that they should have been paid attention to more closely than any other rumor.  Katrina was obvious gross incompetence, but you'll never get anyone to impeach for incompetence.

What I am trying to do here is get a little bit more clarity of thinking on the left.  More formalism is needed, more research is needed, more rock-solid reasoning and legal thinking is needed before we will ever convince any Republicans in the Senate to dump this asshole.  We have not been big thus far on hardcore proof.  We need to GET big on it.

by jarett on 07/29/2007 04:04:46 PM EST

Iraq (none / 0)

Most of that stuff is partisan bickering anyway. There is a valid case that torture should be allowed although you may disagree with that. Cheney says water boarding is a "no brainer." Are you going to impeach him for that?

 IMHO the only thing worthy of impeaching them for would be misleading us into a war intentionally. If they had committed to the Iraq war ahead of time, and then manufactored reasons to, that would be a good reason for impeachment.

 However, fired attorneys etc is just partisan bickering. Clinton fired a butch of attorneys too and Clinton will fire them again when she takes office in 08.

by acroso on 07/29/2007 04:30:15 PM EST

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The question is (none / 0)
Whether or not the attorneys were fired a) for prosecuting Republicans or b) for NOT prosecuting Democrats.  Either of these IS against the law.

There is also the fact that Clinton did not fire any attorneys during the middle of his term.  You have heard this, right?

by jarett on 08/01/2007 11:09:31 PM EST

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Below all easily provable in a court of law (none / 1)
1.  Violating the United Nations Charter by launching an illegal "War of Aggression"
against Iraq without cause, using fraud to sell the war to Congress and the public,
misusing government funds to begin bombing without Congressional authorization,
and subjecting our military personnel to unnecessary harm, debilitating injuries, and
deaths.

2.  Violating U.S. and international law by authorizing the torture of thousands of
captives, resulting in dozens of deaths, and keeping prisoners hidden from the
International Committee of the Red Cross.

3.  Violating the Constitution by arbitrarily detaining Americans, legal residents, and
non-Americans, without due process, without charge, and without access to counsel.

4.  Violating the Geneva Conventions by targeting civilians, journalists, hospitals,
and ambulances, and using illegal weapons, including white phosphorous, depleted
uranium, and a new type of napalm.

5.  Violating U.S. law and the Constitution through widespread wiretapping of the
phone calls and emails of Americans without a warrant.

6.  Violating the Constitution by using "signing statements" to defy hundreds of laws
passed by Congress

by Mr Pibb on 07/29/2007 04:35:29 PM EST

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The Wall Street Journal Editorial Page? (none / 0)
No, no bias there.

by poe on 07/29/2007 06:12:04 PM EST

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The Wall Street Journal is balanced like Fox (none / 0)
Of course The Wall Street Journal is fair and balanced like Fox. Nixon thought the president could do anything he wanted. He learned otherwise.

by Mr Pibb on 07/29/2007 08:53:08 PM EST

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WSJ (none / 0)
WSJ is an open-borders crew. They're not trustworthy.

by acroso on 07/30/2007 11:36:39 PM EST

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O'Reilly (none / 0)

Even O'Reilly....

 

If he's the conservative standard bearer, we may as well elect Homer Simpson as our candidate. 

by acroso on 07/31/2007 12:27:41 AM EST

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I sure am, Ken! (none / 0)
During time of war, the president has the authority to do anything he damn well pleases while he is fighting the enemy.

You are absolutely right, Ken.  You knocked this one  out of the park.

Please tell the class when the last time was that we declared war.

(Hint: Marketing slogans of wars against abstract concepts do not count, good sir.)

RUT ROH, RORGE.

Ken, your article has exposed a dirty, rotten core at the center of the TSP.  I'm glad you linked this.  All right-thinking Americans should read this article.  Allow me to elaborate:

But there are 11 judges in the FISA rotation, and some of them have been demanding that intelligence officials get permission in advance for wiretaps.

Sounds to me like we need more judges.  HOW CAN THIS HAVE BEEN OVERLOOKED?!

by jarett on 08/01/2007 11:18:28 PM EST

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'fraid not, my friend (none / 0)
"Congress signed the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF). This is a congressional declaration of war."

Incorrect.  Try again.

The AUMF was basically a very strongly-worded authorization of a policing action, just like in Vietnam.  It was NOT an official declaration of war by Congress.

I suspect you know this, but are taking potshots.  That's okay.  I've got Dragon Skin on!

by jarett on 08/03/2007 05:59:14 AM EST

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Global Poverty (none / 0)
This country and this war are in desperate need of radical changes.  First and foremost is the need to pull our troops out of Iraq and stop the violence, poverty and terror that we are creating overseas as well as in our homes.  Even now, President Bush would not admit defeat and the fact that this war is a disaster.  The Bush administration has yet to recognize the Iraq war is a complete failure and mistake.  There are more critical issues that affecting the lives of millions of americans and people world wide that our president is not taking actions against. Now the war has proven to be a failure and is causing more violence, terror and poverty in this world.  According to the Borgen Project, it only takes $19 billion dollars annually to eradicate world hunger and poverty.  However, our government has already spent more than $450 billion dollars over this fruitless war in Iraq.  It is time for the Bush Administration to take a real interest in the lives of the American people as well as people who are in desperate needs around the world.  Stop the lies and stop poverty now.  Put away the arrogance and put the needs of the people before political gains.

by Mstessyrue on 07/30/2007 06:59:50 PM EST

The only way it will change Bush out (none / 0)
Bush has always been about ideology first. Everything else second.

by Mr Pibb on 07/30/2007 11:13:39 PM EST

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