We are starting to get the message out - Enough!

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On Sunday, July 8th nearly 40 people came to the corner of Wilshire and Veteran in Los Angeles to join Wes Clark Jr. and Cenk in a symbolic statement of "Enough!" (and for those wearing t-shirts and carrying signs, not just a symbolic statement).   We have received confirmed reports of other "Enough" demonstrations in Atlanta, where Mike Malloy participated, and San Diego. Also in Ann Arbor, Lynn stood in a single woman appearance.  One Young Turks fan has set up this webpage where you can find a list of gathering locations in major cities.

Meanwhile, we'll try to create an effective on-line gathering place here at TheYoungTurks.com.  If there are any web designers out there who would like to volunteer some ideas and programming, please write to me at producer@theyoungturks.com.  And I'll post some photos from Los Angeles here soon. If you would like to submit photos from other gatherings across the US, please email those to me also.

Below I've pasted Cenk's orginial message announcing the "Enough!" concept.  People will be back next Sunday at noon local time.  Please check here for updates.

On Sunday, Wes Clark, Jr. and I will be going to the Federal Building in LA to start a simple protest. We just want to say "Enough!" (A TYT listener is selling "Enough" t-shirts  at no profit.)

It's a simple message. Wes explains it in more detail on his Daily Kos diary here. It's nothing fancy, we just want to go out there and let people know that we have had enough of this runaway, lawless administration.

We're supposed to live in a democracy, unfortunately a lot of times the party you voted for won't represent your interests anyway. But we can't forget that people can make a difference. As Jesse Jackson said in a recent speech, "There is value in standing up."

So, we hope you stand up with us on Sunday between 12Noon and 1PM on the corner of Veteran and Wilshire (11000 Wilshire Blvd.).

More importantly, if you don't live in LA, please try to get a similar movement started in your local area. It just takes a couple of people to get together before things build. You can use this site and the forums here to organize on the local level. You can also use Daily Kos where people are already talking about how to get together in the comments section under Wes' diary.

If you do get together, take a picture and send it in to us and we'll feature it on the site. We want to do this every Sunday until we build momentum and perhaps a community. What's the worst that could happen, you meet a couple of people who are like-minded and share an hour on a lovely Sunday afternoon. Remember democracy? Remember what it felt like? Let's give it a try.

Do you believe?

Hope to see you there, either in person or through your pictures.

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We are starting to get the message out - Enough! | 10 comments (10 topical, 0 hidden)
My Experiences at the Enough Protest (none / 0)
First of all, I loved meeting everyone there. That was worth the price of admission, which in this case happened to be nothing (a win-win).

I think we had good turnout and I love seeing Young Turks listeners. It's important that these are fun and not just something you HAVE to do. And I think the first one was definitely fun.

I met a woman there who is a former Republican and she said she drew the line when they took habeas corpus away. It reminded her of what happened in Germany and how rights got eroded slowly (I know you're not supposed to make such analogies) and she was appaled even though she agreed with Republicans on other issues (or she used to until they sold those out, too).

Another two women said they didn't like other anti-war or anti-administration protests because they were run by people trying to sign you up to the Communist party. I loved that. That's exactly how we want this to be different, just regular people who have had enough.

The idea of wearing "Enough" t-shirts on Sunday is also really growing on me. I think we might try to make more affordable ones here for everyone as opposed to the Cafe Press ones that cost a pretty penny.

by Cenk on 07/09/2007 02:47:02 AM EST

unbelievable (none / 0)
"I met a woman there who is a former Republican and she said she drew the line when they took habeas corpus away."

I wish you could post a photo of this nitwit. I wonder if she was equally appalled when we refused habeas corpus for Japanese POWs, German POWs, North Korean POWs, North Vietnamese POWs.

This must be one stupid woman.

by KenTX on 07/09/2007 06:15:33 AM EST

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She's not stupid anymore (none / 0)
99% of all humans are flipfloppers.

by OneHitKill on 07/09/2007 11:10:01 AM EST

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Habeas Corpus isn't being "refused"... (none / 0)

it no longer exists - it's been wiped from the books. Maybe that's what this "stupid woman" was referring to.

Why this and other trolls are allowed to post inflammatory nonsense like this here is why I don't participate more.

by mrscience on 07/10/2007 01:39:46 AM EST

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I'm only sharing the love. (none / 0)
"Why this and other trolls are allowed to post inflammatory nonsense like this here is why I don't participate more."


Perhaps not participating is your best move, because you seem incapable of competition with respect to political debate. Let's take a look at your point:

"Habeas Corpus isn't being "refused", it no longer exists, it's been wiped from the books.

This statement is grossly mistaken. Everyone posting on this board has habeas corpus access to the courts, because we're all U.S. citizens.

By contrast, non-citizen enemy combatant POWs who have never stepped foot on U.S. soil are not afforded protection by U.S. Constitution guaranteed rights of habeas corpus. This is not simply my opinion, this law has been (1) Voted on by Congress. (2) Signed into law by the President. (3) Upheld by recent Court decisions.

Would you like to see some proof?

On 13 Dec 2006, Salim Ahmed Hamdan tried to challenge the Military Commission Act declination of habeas corpus to "alien unlawful enemy combatants" in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. Judge James Robertson, who ruled in favor of Hamdan in the Hamdan v. Rumsfeld case, refused to rule in favor of Hamdan in this case regarding habeas corpus, writing:

"The Constitution does not provide alien enemy combatants detained at Guantanamo Bay with the constitutional right to file a petition for habeas corpus in our civilian courts, and thus Congress may regulate those combatants' access to the courts".

Likewise, the following groups were "refused" access to U.S. courts through habeas corpus.

German POWs
Japanese POWs
North Korean POWs
Vietnamese POWs
al Qaeda POWs

Do you see a pattern developing here? After all, you are a man of science.

by KenTX on 07/10/2007 02:11:08 AM EST

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MCA (none / 0)

Legal analysts (though I suppose you would call them "stupid nitwits") have commented that the Military Commisions Act could be interpreted as such...

(from your Wikipedia link, emphasis mine)

According to Bill Goodman, Legal Director of the Center for Constitutional Rights, and Joanne Mariner, from FindLaw, this bill redefines unlawful enemy combatant in such a broad way that it refers to any person who is, "engaged in hostilities or who has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States." This makes it possible for US citizens to be designated unlawful enemy combatant because, "it could be read to include anyone who has donated money to a charity for orphans in Afghanistan that turns out to have some connection to the Taliban or a person organizing an anti-war protest in Washington, D.C." 

There is no precedent for this. In the past, habeus corpus rights had been suspended in (arguably, though I'm no lawyer) Constitutionally permissible ways, with no need for the MCA. These cases would be the ones you point out. But you're probably aware of this distinction.

I realize you just like a good spirited debate, but your constant insulting and patronizing tone is what I find distasteful. Go ahead now, write a novel now and bury me with a ton of information spun to make yourself look like the only smart one here. I've got to get on to other things.

by mrscience on 07/10/2007 12:47:39 PM EST

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Time for KenTX to start watching Sesame Street (none / 0)

One of these things is not like the other:
German POWs
Japanese POWs
North Korean POWs
Vietnamese POWs
al Qaeda POWs

Can you guess which one, Ken?

If BushCo would treat the detainees like POWs, with all their Geneva Convention protections, then they wouldn't need a right to habeas corpus.

And don't be so fast to assume you keep your right to habeas corpus as a US citizen.  After all, how does we know that you are a citizen?  Just because you say so?  Hah.  That's what they all say.

If you can be locked up indefinitely without trial or even access to a judge and no representation by a lawyer, how exactly do you prove you're a citizen?  In what venue?  And to whom?

You could just diappear and that would be that... which might not be such a bad thing in your case.

by hf jai on 07/11/2007 02:12:45 PM EST

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Can we get a street location for the list? (none / 0)
"in Ann Arbor, Lynn stood in a single woman appearance"

by awcd on 07/10/2007 11:00:18 AM EST

Print-It-Yourself free graphics (none / 0)

Short on time & money before the next Sunday?  Here are some graphics to download and print:

For bumper stickers, try here or here and here.

For signs, click here and here.

If you're really ambitious, click here for a t-shirt transfer.

And if you don't mind paying the big $ to CafePress.com while waiting for the more affordable shirt to become available from TYT, check out my PlanetXena shop. (I've even got shirts for your dog!)

GBGF ("God Bless, Go Forward, as Cenk would say...) 

by lizaronni1 on 07/11/2007 12:10:52 PM EST

ore options for self made ENOUGH items (none / 0)
Re-positionable/removable for all surfaces - but specifically for inkjet printers homemade window cling stickers.

NOTE: - PRINT words backwards to be readable for use inside your car window. (Use the "flip" option from the drawing toolbar in your wordprocessing program that you use to open the bumper stickers and signs linked in the post above.

http://www.paper-paper.com/ cling.html

This material is probably available from hp and other major paper suppliers - check local office/teacher supply stores.

by sbandb on 07/11/2007 01:17:59 PM EST

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