01/15/2008 05:15:48 PM EST

Loop & Membership

posted by elingfam

All these people bitching about the lack of looping webcast............. what's up with that?

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How many webshows give the entire content as a continuous loop anyway?  This reminds me of my feeling of the younger generation that thinks that they are ENTITLED to everything all the time for FREE. 

Bandwidth cost money.  Food and shelter for the hosts and production crew costs money.  Contrary to what most people think, money does NOT grow on trees. 


My family is not rich.  $120 for the year was something of a bitch to come up with AT ONE TIME but I saw it as an investment that was good for my mind.  $10 a month ain't that much of a thing.


Perhaps the TYT could come up with something less than a full year membership.  A monthly membership?  A quarterly membership?  Something where people don't have to cough up so much at once.  $10 is a movie and I could easily come up with that every month for my education/entertainment.&nb sp; $120 makes me think that now is not the time.


Anyway, I'm happy that I could become a member.  I wish I could afford to be a producer or maybe even contribute at "host" level.  (Yeah, if I found $10,000 could I host the show for a day?)  :D


I'm telling you.  This show rocks.  I'm easily more liberal than Cenk but I like hearing more conservative viewpoints.



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Loop & Membership | 51 comments (51 topical, 0 hidden)
Woot (none / 0)
I agree.
I don't have cable, so I spend the money that would have went to that on a fast internet connection and a TYT membership.  Totally worth it.
Though I do understand that people will miss the loop.  I used to use it before I had a membership (and after that it just became a hindrance to the page loading).  But it's crunch time now.  If you have the money then pay up.  If you don't, then podcast the first hour and watch the clips that they're going to post.  Get viewership up and the loop can come back.
But mostly just pay up.

Also, Cenk needs to quit gambling away our membership fees.  Kidding (sort of).

by Spencer on 01/15/2008 07:36:18 PM EST

loop (none / 0)
when I became a member the loop just held me up from getting to the post game or another show .so if you like tyt's than just join and you to can have some comfort here at tyt's.but 120.00 at one time took a little doing for me,but came up with it.just stayed home more.so I say let em pay for now and loop it later when the $ is there. TUNA!

by tuna on 01/15/2008 07:55:18 PM EST

You don't have to pay $120 all at once. (none / 0)
They deduct $10 from my PayPal account each month for my membership.  It couldn't be easier.  I believe you have the option of $120/yr, one-time payment or $10 monthly.

by bluefella on 01/15/2008 08:50:47 PM EST

I'll be a member (none / 0)
    Soon - just a couple more months of digging myself out of debt and I'll be able to afford it and an mp3 player to listen to it on at the gym.

by Randomambusher on 01/15/2008 08:59:19 PM EST

I guess I was the one "bitching"... (none / 0)
hey, I am just pissed because I dont get to listen to my favorite upsstart web based radio/web program anymore without forking over cash over and above every other damn thing I have to pay for. Like I said in a previous post, good luck to the show and the crew on their new venture, but I think its pretty damned ballsy to beg people for money when most of your audience are people who have no money (ie Liberals).

The damned web is supposed to be free, but its people like you who say "oh just give em the money" that promotes this corporatist system we have drowned ourselves in. I think its pretty ballsy and hypocritical to promote liberal and progressive ideals outside of the "Mainstream (LameStream) Media" and then charge most people to hear it. Those that can listen from 3-5 pm Eastern obviously dont have a damn job anyway!

Its not entitlement, its another example of the BS thats wrecking this country!

by bobo1 on 01/15/2008 09:47:36 PM EST

Wait a minute (none / 1)
You've got it backwards.  Cenk and crew are not wealthy so they can't just do the show out of the kindness of their hearts. 

That means they either have to depend on what is likely to be corporate sponsors (commercial time on air and or ads on the website) which *might* influence content (and we're supporting corporations we may well disagree with on a fundamental level) OR they depend on people like us who believe in corporate free programming!

Besides, it's not as if you have to be a member to watch the show from 3-9pmEST.

PS---I RESENT the idea that this is "another example of the BS that's wrecking this country"! 

by Tom Hanc on 01/15/2008 10:10:01 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Okay (none / 0)
Thank you for your comments. Let me just say whats really bothering me straight out.

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR A DAMN RADIO SHOW. OUR PARENTS DIDNT PAY FOR RADIO, THEIR PARENTS DIDNT PAY, WHY THE HELL SHOULD WE HAVE TO???!!


What have we come to when we have to pay for basic broadcast/bandwidth access? What does it say about our soceity when a show that is good that is inspiring and motivational and fun has to slink into the realm of HBO and internet "pay per view"

I believe they dont want it like this. I believe that they want to expand and grow and get to more people and I truly hope they do. How much does this stupid "looping" thing actually cost on this bandwidth anyway? You cannot honestly tell me that it is so much that a partner like Brave New Films or other such associated entity could not chip in for something as simple as a repating 8 track on some low power video player! They dont have the looping because somebody wants to get us to join and send them money. Its the money, Lebowski!!! This is why I say that this is BS and why its wrecking the country. Anybody who studies remedial world history knows that the pursuit of profit has brought most civilizations to ruin.

I know you guys know this. And like I said before, its cool if thats what they want... but do not kid yourselves about the reasons. Its dishonest and goes against "progressive" thinking. And dont be surprised when people no longer access the program because of it. Thats all I am saying.

And by the way, people who can listen on the West Coast anyway from 12-5 or 6 live are either college students or bums. Real people work during the day, thats why the loop was so great!!!

Thanks again for your comments!

by bobo1 on 01/15/2008 10:32:34 PM EST

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loop (none / 0)
I am neither a college student nor a bum.  I am a stay-at-home mom of four who enjoyed the looping so I could catch TYT other than live because the live broadcast did not always fit in with my schedule and that of my kids.  I am not thrilled re the loop, but I will adjust to the new format because the show is topical, intelligent, effing hilarious, and definitely worth my time and money.   

by 1xx3xy on 01/15/2008 11:15:24 PM EST

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My apologies (none / 0)
College students, bums or housewives. My Bad!

by bobo1 on 01/15/2008 11:25:44 PM EST

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I work (none / 0)

I work AND I listen.  How did I do this?  I have a shitty deskjob with a computer that's how.  So that part was a little offensive.

ihavenobias is 100% right.

Cenk tried to tell his landlord about how progressive he was, but that corporatist fascist wanted actual money.  How dare he.

Bottomline is the show COSTS MONEY TO MAKE.  On principal you shouldn't have to pay for radio I guess (?) but somebody has to.  Advertisers do, and you pay them.  Aren't we just cutting out the middle man.  I won't even go into the fact that it isn't even a radio show anymore.  You'd be paying for a trailblazing internet show.

Wait on second thought, all the things I like should be free and how dare you "progressives" ever ask me to pay for things that I like. Wah!

If you're not going to listen anymore, than don't.  But don't tell me how people seeking money is ruining America.  That's the only way that shit gets done.

Now that that's over with... woot.

by Spencer on 01/15/2008 11:16:55 PM EST

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This is perfect (none / 0)
This is the exact fight we should be having about public financing of campaigns.

by Spencer on 01/15/2008 11:28:11 PM EST

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trailblazing??!!! (none / 0)
Wasn't this show web only or sattelite only before Air America picked it up. How the Hell are they trailblazing when they are going backwards in terms of numbers and exposure? They are going back to where they started. hardly trailblazing...


And come on - we both live in the real world even if we disagree on things - the reason they are no longer on Air America is because they weren't bringing home the bacon. Cenk can spin and salvage it all he wants God love him, but it is so obvious that he is somewhat hurt by the way things turned out with Air America, and no amount of positive spin can hide that???!!

I feel for the show. these guys put a lot of effort, time and energy into its production and I recognize that. Butif they want to expand, picking pennies from listeners just makes them look desperate. They need to find them a Soros type figure (or Huffington, Move on etc) to back them. All these other damn sites and groups do, and they dont have to troll around picking up loose change. (To the biologist guy down below this post the moneyless-jobless liberal was a joke, moron!)

And anyway, my only beef with this new venture (which i still am cheering for i hope they are truly successful) is the damn looping thing. Don't sit their and f*&^ing lie about the real reason the looping is gone. i would much rather Cenk come out and say "Hey, we want you to join and pay up, so all you freeloaders get the Hell off" Thats what i love about the show!!! Its honest viewpoints, its directness and comfort with the listeners. don't pull this "oh we just can't" BS.
 
I guess we can still join in freely on the blog lines, unless the powers that be on the internet start to charge for that too!

Good luck to the show and its continued success. i really mean that!

by bobo1 on 01/15/2008 11:49:07 PM EST

[ Parent ]
so... (none / 0)

Someone should pay for it.  It just shouldn't be you.

You want a rich "Soros type" to pay for it, but isn't that the kind of thing that you said was the problem.  They would be influenced by whoever funded them.  Which is why the people (us) should fund them.  You don't have to.  The rest of us will.

And maybe they are off Air America because they couldn't bring home the bacon.  So what?  Shouldn't you have more of a problem with Air America for chasing profits rather than the little ol' Turks?  Or is that okay because the product is still "free"?

You don't want to pay...  DON'T.  Isn't that about the long and short of it?  Why is it still a point of discussion?

And the "trailblazing" thing was sort of a joke (because Cenk says that kind of stuff about it all the time).  That's all.

by Spencer on 01/16/2008 12:44:22 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Agreed (none / 0)
Thank you for the lively discussion. Good luck to you and the show!

by bobo1 on 01/16/2008 12:47:28 AM EST

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not just a radio show (none / 0)
It's the first internet TV show!  It's news to me that liberals have no money.  I work as a biologist for a successful private company full of progressive liberals.  I don't watch live because I do work during the day, but I became a member so I could watch any time I want, which is in the evenings.  This is a new thing and we should support it if we can.  If you can't afford it, you still get the clips. How can you say that Cenk is part of something wrecking the country??  That is crazy talk.

by desertpear on 01/15/2008 11:18:19 PM EST

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Wha? (none / 0)
As you can see most of the liberals on this site don't believe that.  I'm happy to pay too.  And I'm BROKE!

by Spencer on 01/15/2008 11:34:30 PM EST

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Dude... (none / 0)
My thought on your comment - One can only be squeezed so much before no more blood will spill.

How can we put out any more money for anything when right wingers like you in the business world are squeezing the hell out of everyone?

It has to stop.

Enough!!

whatever happened to that ...

by bobo1 on 01/16/2008 12:05:05 AM EST

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You're Right!!! (none / 0)
1. I want stuff, but I dont want to be raped and overcharged by business and their interests that only seek to attain wealth and power. i want the basic needs for my family (food, shelter heat etc) without having to bow down to the almighty oil companies, who make billions of dollars quarterly while people starve to death elsewhere.

2. I want my needs provided for, and I pay an exorbidant amount of taxes in order to receive those basic services. I do not mind paying for necessity, or even for want, but I do not choose for my money to go to Senator Ted Stevens "Bridge to Nowhere' or to Iraqi people who don't give a flying fuck about our welfare, who would just as soon kill us then to help us out when we have a disaster (ie Katrina).

3.  When I vote, I realize that the candidates available to us in this election are nothing more than the pawns of corporate interests and big business, and that we have forgotten what WE THE PEOPLE is all about. good thing I teach History. maybe I can help just in my small little way to re-educate the youth of this country what this great country was supposed to be about in the first place, and take it back from greed, deception and death that the corporate structure and BOTH parties have brought upon us. 

You're right, I have a different viewpoint. When the proverbial shit hits the fan, which side are you going to be on?

by bobo1 on 01/16/2008 12:28:26 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Please (none / 0)

Please stop.... I'm almost agreeing with Ken and this CAN NOT be.

Actually, fuck it, I am agreeing with Ken.  You do just want free stuff.

And I can't even imagine what you wanted the Iraqis to do about Katrina by the way.

Shit has already hit the fan.  I responded by investing my money in a show that provides me with information to help fix the mess.  You complained.

by Spencer on 01/16/2008 12:52:56 AM EST

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To Quote Al Pacino.... (none / 0)
"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!!"

OK. I am going to say it one more time. I just want the loop. y'all can keep the membership, post game and all of the other fun. What is wrong for wanting something that has been free (for the last year or so since I've been listening anyway). It is my First Amendment right to bitch about whatever I want. I choose to bitch about this stupid loop thing.

The Iraqi/Katrina comment obviously overshot your level. Check it out=


When was the last time another country sent aid to us in any disaster we have had over the past say 100 years?

THINK=

Now how much fucking money did we send to the damn Tsunami victims in thailand and Indonesia (2005)? Billions

How much aid do we send to iraq? Uncounted Billions monthly.

How much aid do we send to east Asia (Taiwan, Japan and Korea) - Billions yearly.

How much aid do we send to Israel Monthly - Dont even get me fucking started!

NOW LOOK -

How much aid did we get for September 11th from any other country? Not a fucking dime. Sure, we got their sympathy, but that really helped!

How much aid did we receive when Katrina, or Rita, or Andrew, or Hugo, or any other Hurricane hit (from anybody?) Not a fucking dime.

How much aid did we get when Pearl Harbor was bombed 66 years ago? Not a fucking dime.

My point is the taxpayers of this country give out more money to make everyone else feel better, and we cannot even spend enough to take care of our own. Hell, even France takes care of their citizens health care, and their a bunch of pussies who cant defend themselves for anything?

I can bitch about what I want. Great, you paid your membership. Wonderful. I hope it works out for you. I just want the damn loop back and not have smoke blown up my ass.

Thank You and good night

by bobo1 on 01/16/2008 01:15:55 AM EST

[ Parent ]
thats it? (none / 0)
Thats your reply? No wonder you're a damn conservative! I hope you don't actually work with the public!

Have a good night!

by bobo1 on 01/16/2008 01:30:01 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Wha? (none / 1)

1: Iraq has such a vast amount of resources that they should be expected to help us out?  Okay?  I don't think so, but you're entitled to it.

2: Do we have to get paid back for helping people?  How progressive can you be with a "you scratch my back I'll scratch yours" attitude like that?

3: Overshot my level?  Uh huh.  I must be one level below condescending bitch.  I don't agree with your point, so that makes me less intelligent than you.

4: Nobody here was unaware that you wanted the loop back.  Everybody else seems to know that bandwidth costs money, and that was really the arguement.  When they aren't being paid by Air America anymore they have to cut back on things.  The loop is one of those things.  Simple as that. 

by Spencer on 01/16/2008 01:49:18 AM EST

[ Parent ]
It's very sad. (none / 0)
Real American liberals realize that capitalism and a certain amount of socialism can coexist happily and even synergistically.

Sadly, bobo never learned about the positive benefits of capitalism.

by jarett on 01/16/2008 01:49:41 AM EST

[ Parent ]
You got that right (none / 0)
although since the 80's, the amount of socialism in the  equation has shrunk significantly leading to largely unrestrained capitalism.

But yes, 90%+ socialism or capitalism (or for that matter, pure any "ism") is doomed to fail over time.  And no, I don't know what exact percentage would be "best". I'm sure that's uh, relatively relative but still, you get my point.

by Tom Hanc on 01/16/2008 10:32:09 AM EST

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Drunk on whine (none / 0)

Ken is right (not about liberals being freeloaders, that's fucked as usual).  Of course the Turks would provide a loop if it were financially feasible.  They want their message out, don't they?  What better way to do that than by looping the show 24/7?

by OneHitKill on 01/16/2008 07:47:12 AM EST

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you're clearly against progressive thinking (none / 0)

Are you serious?  So the only people who can listen/watch live are the ones who don't have jobs, and thus the only ones who can't afford $10/month?

Man, I can't tell if you're supposed to be a troll or what, but you claim to want progressive programming and then you're not willing to put your money where your mouth is because you aren't getting convenience for free?  If that's "progressive" thinking, call me a regressive conservative asshole because I want no part of being a whining bitch.

by ynp7 on 01/16/2008 12:33:39 AM EST

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100% wrong on health care (none / 0)

Universal, single-payer health care paid for via taxes is NOT free health care.  It's buying something in the most efficient, cost-effective way: cutting out the profit motive where there is no advantage to be gained from it.

Not only is it mean-spirited and insane to continue with a profit-driven health care system, but it's economically stupid.  We pay more than anyone else in the world for these services and receive inferior results.  Bad for business, bad for the people.

But don't ever call it "free", it's not.  We would be paying for it.  And so what if people with more money pay more into the system?  They'd CLEARLY be deriving more benefit since those who enable their lifestyle would be healthier and more productive, thus better enabling the lifestyle of those wealthier tax payers.

The only point of for-profit insurance is to steal money from us, the people.  Put a couple of thoughts behind it. 

by ynp7 on 01/16/2008 02:34:30 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Gotta ask:: (none / 0)
Have you seen Sicko? SEE the actual waiting areas in Canada. SEE the radio-dispatched physician in France. (your convenient and readily accessible plan provide that?) SEE the Americans who think they have coverage end up with the short end of the stick. What's your deductible, Ken? SEE the Canadian who doesn't even know what a deductible is and SEE the cashier's window in England where THEY pay YOU.

OK, skip the trip to Cuba if you want, that's pretty over the top, but it's toward the end.

by MayorHardin on 01/16/2008 09:42:13 AM EST

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And by the way, on a personal note (none / 0)
Unfortunately there's no way to SEE the vacation I didn't get to take or the membership I can't afford for the Young Turks because the "slight adjustment" to our insurance last year left me with a $2,250 bill when our daughter needed the appendecomy.

by MayorHardin on 01/16/2008 09:52:25 AM EST

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you don't know what you want (none / 0)

That's the problem, you have NO IDEA what you want.  A single-payer system would give you EXACTLY what you have now, but it'd cost a whole lot less.

In fact, it'd probably be better because you wouldn't have the awesome surprise of having some seriously expensive procedure denied payment coming your way in the future as you do with your current insurance.

Privatized health insurance looks like 30% of your money getting washed down the shitter, because that's how much they spend DENYING coverage to people.  Look into it. 

by ynp7 on 01/16/2008 11:03:02 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Don't worry (none / 0)
He's been vaccinated against facts.  He obtained a mail order kit from www.rushlimbaugh.com and never looked back.

by Tom Hanc on 01/16/2008 12:31:55 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Beg to differ... (none / 0)
I am a government employed forester and I TOO have seen the difference between 'private' forest management (ie clearcut, high-grade and leave nothing behind for the next generation but junk!) and state managed forest lands (environmentally sound, publically watchdogged, sensible, sustainable management that plans for the long term).  While I will agree there are SOME things that work better if privatized, there are LOTS of things that a government of the people, by the people and for the people can do WAY better than the private sector can.

Elasg

by elasg on 01/16/2008 11:11:52 AM EST

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Hear Hear (none / 0)
Christ on a bike.

Hear hear!  I've seen the clearcuts that look like bombs went off and can tell you they were ALL on private land.  I WROTE the plans for government harvest and I can tell you that a lot of thought went into every action.  People get pissed because stuff is so slow with the government but it's because they care enough to figure out how to do it RIGHT (or close as they are allowed to do).

by elingfam on 01/16/2008 12:50:51 PM EST

[ Parent ]
And Ken .... (none / 0)

gets all his healthcare provided for by his company unlike the 45 million Americans going without.

He'll claims he earns it.

I think he should go to his his boss and say Hey...I dont want your helathcare insurance, give me the money instead and, when he gets less than 1/2 of what his comapny claims they pay try to buy some on the open market.

Ken also says he doesnt want a damn thing that is provided by the government ...even though you pay taxes... therefore you shound't either.

The school he pictures cost $6900 a year for tuition...that excludes books and activity fees , transportation (and the de rigure white parents?).Interesting choice of photos however...

Even with his so called vouchers he loves so much most middle and lower class Americans would have a hard time paying 10K total a year for a private education.

He also ovelooks that Public education isnt free...you pay taxes to support it and it provides access to the public. Thats the problem for Ken...the public part . If it wasnt for that pesky public he could avoid paying taxes all together...and driving on paved roads puting out fires all that damn "public stuff" But hey , anything for a tax cut right Ken?

So when Ken praises the " Home of the Free" he means free ride...for the rich...they will buy their own...everybody else is on their own. 



by MRFred on 01/16/2008 01:53:11 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Open Wide..... (none / 0)

I beat you like a pinata ever time.

 Your really should try reading your refereces for a change:

"nearly half of funding for public schools is provided through local taxes in our country, and this means that large differences in funding have long persisted between wealthy and impoverished American communities."

So thats why your picture of the private school is lily white while the evil public school is " of color " By the way your "facts" link for the DOE is the Wiki article. Circular logic!  Not to worry I'll help you out!

You claim the nation wide expenditure per capita was 11000 in 2005 according to your FRENCH friends at the OCD...oops OECD Organisation de Coopération et de Développement Économiques; OCDE

But the good ol The U.S. Census Bureau's Public Education Finances: 2005 says it was $8,701 per capita in 2005 ( last year for data)

# 50 on the list was Red State Utah at $5,257( explains the voting pattern I suppose)...big difference between that and the "$11,000" you claim. In fact the bottom 10 states are all "Red" states...hummmm. Interesting.

So the government could give every underprivileged student $11,000 in vouchers for private school, and give every family of average income a tax deduction for $11,000 per student for private school, and still come out ahead!

So Ken , your proposing some conservative wealth redistribution I see. Good for you. Equaulity in all things! Power to the people!

Lets see how those top teir states react when they are told to fork over the bucks for Utah. 

by MRFred on 01/17/2008 05:09:15 AM EST

[ Parent ]
261 words.... (none / 0)

by MRFred on 01/17/2008 08:50:56 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Gee... (none / 0)
I just cant seem to see a reply anywhere. Imagine that.

by MRFred on 01/18/2008 08:42:10 AM EST

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Teachers!..Ken wants to cut your pay for his tax (none / 0)

cut!

 "public school teachers are paid about 50% more than private school teachers."

Good luck with that. 

by MRFred on 01/17/2008 01:09:13 PM EST

[ Parent ]
BACK TO THE LOOP (none / 0)

I can listen to terrestrial radio or Internet radio whever I want - as long as it's during broadcast time. Otherwise I miss the show. I used to use a timer and a tape deck that records both sides in both bays to tape shows for time shifting. My husband even went as far as attaching a VCR to the receiver to record an overnight music program, then transfer to cassettes to listen in the car. YOU COULD DO THIS TOO!! WOOHOO!!

TYT used to be on RadioPower.org where many of the shows were repeated. RadioPower's talk shows are gone--not enough money to pay for bandwidth. Production and bandwidth are expensive for TYT too.

You can listen to The Young Turks during the live show, or take your choice:

Time-shift on your own, capturing the video from the feed--you'll have to read the source code to find the link:

  • connect your computer to a DVD recorder to capture audio and video. Reliable DVD recorder or DVHD will cost you at least $100+; DVD-RW disks are minimum $1, but usually closer to $2.50 each. AND you have to RTFM to set it up AND you have to get your computer to coordinate this when you're not home.
  • Buy a software video recorder, record the show. Use conversion software to compress it so you can watch it on your iPod.

Let The Young Turks time shift for you automatically for only $10 a month. [Monthly memberships might be nice, but less dependable for TYT budget.]

  • Become a member!!

They're not charging for you to watch the show. It's free, live, on the Internet[s]. They're charging for you to watch the extras and get the podcasts. Plenty of other shows do the same--free show, paid podcast. Either you go through the hassle of capturing and converting the video yourself, or PAY for TYT to do it for you.

No problem.

Sounds like a good deal to me.  Progressive capitalism! What's the complaint?

 
 

by zenie on 01/16/2008 10:03:42 AM EST

Video podcast? (none / 0)
I've always gotten the broadcast on podcast from AAR, so I haven't relied on the looping video, but now that I've joined TYT, and since this is a video based show, I am wondering if you offer a video podcast to your members?  If not, could you?  I admit, I have no idea what this would entail in the way of bandwidth and storage capacity, but if the capability is there, I'd sure like to have it.

Thanks,

by elasg on 01/16/2008 10:52:49 AM EST

Membership Fees (none / 0)
$10/month~$.35/day~$.50/sho w

You could probably find this sort of scratch on a daily walk.  Or you could go pick up cans, recycle them, and do something positive for the environment while paying for your membership. 

Perhaps they can even set up an "Adopt-a-Turk" program for those of us who are considering an upgrade to a producer level mebership.

by skuzzbukit on 01/16/2008 11:04:50 AM EST

aluminum cans (none / 0)

by zenie on 01/17/2008 08:47:28 AM EST

[ Parent ]
aluminum cans - $.60/pound (none / 0)
Recycle cans and you can make enough for membership and "Adopt-a-Turk".

by zenie on 01/17/2008 08:54:38 AM EST

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In response (none / 0)
Jimminy Crickets!

What a brouhaha!  I would like to say I'm surprised by the number of people who think they should get something for nothing but I'm not.

I used to host a Pearl Jam website where we would put up legal downloads of shows.  I KNOW how much bandwidth costs (because we once "misunderestimated the number of hits we would get).  Anyone who thinks it's cheap I can only say: host yer own site with streaming contest and THEN talk to me.

And you wouldn't BELIEVE the number of people who felt ENTITLED to mp3s of the albums or other stuff you would ordinarily have to pay for just because there were sites where you could download it illegally.  They would bitch us out for NOT posting copyrighted material that they could get for free.  The idea of PAYING for art or content was anathema to them.

Has anyone heard of Public Broadcasting?  I.E. those shows that say "brought to you by blah blah blah, and VIEWERS LIKE YOU?  Get a clue.  Stuff costs.  I would rather pay Cenk et al to get honest content that is NOT beholden to corporate interests.  If I want free commentary I can listen to MSM and experience the feeling of my brain dying.

Maybe I'm just an old f*ck but I think there are too many whiny babies on the net that are used to having mommy wipe their butts and spoon feed them in their high chair.  Taking responsibility (ie putting yer money where yer mouth is) is a foreign concept.

Grow up.  Get real.  Cough it up.  Listen and Learn.  :)

by elingfam on 01/16/2008 11:18:16 AM EST

With you most of the way. (none / 0)
Except what about the advertisers, in relation to the loop? Would bandwidth really be more expensive than the additional exposures each ad would get through looping the 2-hour main show? Really, I have no idea of the answer to this one.

Anyway, let's be there as much as we can to help TYT place the ads and get a good rate card.

by MayorHardin on 01/16/2008 11:58:23 AM EST

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Reply (none / 0)
Find out for yourself how much it would cost and (in general) how much net advertisers pay.

When you have the answers come back and say that perhaps TYT is charging too much.

This is the problem.  No one bothers to find out.  "That's too much like work duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude"

by elingfam on 01/16/2008 12:54:31 PM EST

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Bandwidth cost money. (none / 0)
and you pay for it regardless if you use it or not.

by MRFred on 01/16/2008 01:19:12 PM EST

Explain please (none / 0)
Explain please.

You mean like we all pay for public broadcasting whether we watch it or not?

by elingfam on 01/16/2008 01:47:07 PM EST

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Old calculation of podcasting cost (none / 0)
Just a random post of an old calculation:
link


How much does it cost a podcaster or anyone else to deliver a one-hour program to a single listener? I'd never bothered to do the math, but it came up in a telephone discussion I had earlier today. You can't go by "unlimited" hosting plans because they're not really unlimited. They're throttled by the capacity of the box and the link to the `Net. So I picked a discounted high-volume dedicated-server hosting account: 1,000GB for $100/month. (A 1.3 GHz Celeron Linux server with 512MB RAM and 60GB drive from EV1Servers.)

That's $0.10 per gigabyte, or about $0.003 for a 30MB file, roughly one hour of 64kbps MP3 audio. Add in some cost of system administration (but not production), and you're looking at between $0.005 and $0.01 to deliver a one-hour file to each listener. 10,000 listeners? $50-$100.

I assume prices have changed, but you are paying for a package no matter how much you use.

by jazzchic on 01/16/2008 02:37:40 PM EST

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loop and where ever you guys went (none / 0)
I am sure once they get things going you will then get your free stuff,untill then relax its ok not to join. I joined a while ago 1/2 year or so,  and it's just the only way I can fit it in by bits, and I can't do with out it.   SO RELAX IT WILL COME !! the $ just do with out one pizza a month see ya

by tuna on 01/16/2008 08:49:29 PM EST

Monthly fees for internet programming (none / 0)
Does bandwidth cost money?  Of Coooooooooooooooooourse! It costs my family of three over $100 a month [cable monopoly w/inet.  Basic w/inet isn't much less].  Dial up is worthless for streaming.  And we use cell phones and do w/out the land line.  BTW, the cell phones are a "need" not a "want" as we're both self employed. Look, I understand that the folks doing the show are not millionaires.  But I'm not willing/able to give every web show I listen to or watch a surcharge *on top of* my cable & inet bill.  If/when all of these sites start asking for or demanding same then it's back to FM/AM radio & whatever lucky breaks I catch on cable TV.  Personally, I lived w/out cable TV -- when living on my own -- since 1990 but the wife/daughter won't live without it so here we are.

Anyway, I understand that all of these sites can certainly use the monthly income.  But I can't justify the additional [monthly] $$$ alongside the stack of bills already demanding payment.  I'll grab the clips as I can and be happy with that.  *And* I'll leave Adblock 'off' for this and many other sites as I don't want to deny them at least that bit of revenue.  I'm just a little bummed that I can't have the YT's on in the background while working.  Constantly flipping back to the browser window to click the next clip every three to five minutes is just one of those little time thieves that add up throughout my day.  Best to Cenk and all the cast and crew.  I'd love to be able to contribute more but "I ain't got it like that."

All that said, I admire your work.  Best,  -- H.

by HaywoodGiablomi on 01/17/2008 12:23:44 PM EST

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