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Brokered Republican Convention?

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Where the hell has Rick Santorum been before this?

Apparently Rick Santorum is pushing for a brokered convention because he can't stand McCain (surprise).  In case you forgot, Santorum used to be the golden boy of the conservative movement, so if he's pushing for this you can bet there's a bigger movement afoot.  So I guess the question is, who would the republican establishment rather see as the nominee?  I would have said Rudy had he not fallen on his ass as of late.  And I would say Romney now, but he doesn't poll very well nationally.  What do you guys think?  Maybe Santorum thinks they'll draft him, or maybe Newt can come and stomp these "pygmies". 

 

Either way I'm fascinated.  Their nomination process is like watching Survivor or something because I know no matter who wins they have no chance of a national victory (being that they've pushed all the single issue voters they created towards candidates that are diametrically opposed).  It's just pure entertainment, while our Democratic fight is a little more dire.

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McVain (none / 0)
No one can stand McVain...

by acroso on 01/26/2008 02:02:50 AM EST

"What do you guys think?" (none / 0)
"no matter who wins they have no chance of a national victory"

The GOP will nominate either McCain or Romney. If they nominate McCain, he will probably select a moderate VP running mate like Colin Powell or Joe Lieberman.

So the GOP will be offering a moderate ticket with low negatives. They will take the high ground and occupy the center. They will appeal to moderates.

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton will be marginalized as a far left kook liberal. She has extremely high negatives, even among the Democrat faithful. The other 65% of the electorate think even less of Hillary.

This election is coming down to the economy. If the economy is poor in November, Democrats will win. If the economy is OK in November, Republicans will win.

by KenTX on 01/26/2008 02:34:32 AM EST

Interesting (none / 0)

Colin Powell, that would be interesting.

What do you think of McCain though?  Knowing that you like Rush I can probably guess, but I haven't really heard you say it.

 

I have to point out though, that Hillary's negatives aren't about her being a "far left kook liberal".  They're about her being too moderate (as you know).  So why would she be marginalized that way?  The media sure doesn't portray her as a "far left kook" anymore.  They usually just go with the standard "she's a bitch" line that they've held for years.

 Also, I'M a far left kook liberal and I sure as hell wouldn't be going with McCain, Hillary or no Hillary.

And as far as the economy being the top issue, McCain has said before that he doesn't know anything about it which sure would make the debates interesting.

I stand firm on them having no chance. 

by Spencer on 01/26/2008 02:58:06 AM EST

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Get this (none / 0)

Ken's big plan is that all the far left kooks will vote for an independent running like Ron Paul. Of course there will be no Republicans voting for a person like Paul. Someone who is pro small government and all. At least that is what Rush tells him anyway.

Meanwhile, McCain will be able to select Lieberman (a Jew acceped by a party who will not even vote for a Mormon) as a running mate and take the middle of the road swing voters. 

Ken has lost grip with reality. 

by z1p101 on 01/26/2008 03:10:22 AM EST

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Paul (none / 0)

I don't think very many liberals are supporting Paul's presidential bid.

 

Do you think Liberals donated 20 million dollar q4 to someone like Paul..

 

..seriously doubt it. 

by acroso on 01/26/2008 05:47:32 AM EST

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I know it (none / 0)

and you know it but someone needs to explain it to Ken.

Ken thinks that anyone who does not tow the neo con line 100% is a left wing moonbat.

by z1p101 on 01/26/2008 07:42:49 AM EST

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Paul (none / 0)

Paul is going to win Alaska and get some other delegates. The GOP convention is going to be really amusing if a large contingent of them make it.

 Will they be able to get the blimp back up for the convention...assuming Paul does not win.

by acroso on 01/26/2008 09:20:16 AM EST

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memo to knucklehead (none / 0)
A large percentage of Ron Paul adherents are "9/11 Truthers". These people believe that George Bush knew about 9/11 in advance, and that he was complicit in the event.

Most of the rest of the Paulites voted for John Kerry in 2004.

So his following is made up of Democrat nuts, and just plain nuts.

by KenTX on 01/27/2008 01:03:06 AM EST

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Got sources? (none / 0)
A large percentage of Ron Paul adherents are "9/11 Truthers."

I know the ranks of the "freedom movement" include many fringe nuts and militia types, and they tend to gravitate towards platforms like Paul's, but I'm not sure I'd characterize their numbers as "A large percentage."  I know a crapload of Paul supporters, and none of them fall into the fringe kook category, nor have any patience for the ones who do.

"If you're not pumped up, then get the hell out, 'cause you don't belong here." -- Cenk Uygur

by Spinny on 01/27/2008 10:20:30 AM EST

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Paul is being taken down by the Party Hack (none / 0)

Here's its anatomy:

 

 

First - We need to understand that Party Professionals (hacks) do this as their day jobs. They might have been passionate about certain issues when they first started their careers, but after a few years it is just a job.

Second - It is difficult for those of us on the outside to imagine, but the number of political patronage jobs which exist at every level of the government is simply staggering. The Party Hacks want to get promoted into better jobs - just like anyone else does. A party hack who is head of the Wayne County Water Board wants to get appointed to the Northern District Water Board. A Party Hack who is a local manager at Homeland Security wants to become regional manager…..and so on.

Third - Like any job or organization, the Republican Party will resist change. The leadership of the Party after all was successfully promoted under the existing system. Therefore, they naturally tend to support the existing system.

Fourth - Even the dimmest Party Hack can understand that the Party Leadership is uncomfortable with Ron Paul. They don’t need to be told this explicitly, but they realize that Dr. Paul doesn’t play by the party rules. (ie he isn’t going hand out patronage jibs by the fistfull if he wins)

 

by acroso on 01/27/2008 11:57:18 AM EST

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conduct your own poll (none / 0)
"I know a crapload of Paul supporters."

Ask these Paul supporters if they voted for John Kerry or George Bush in 2004. This will give you an idea of which side will lose votes.

"I'm not sure I'd characterize their numbers as "A large percentage."

Ron Paul has been asked why he has so many kooks supporting his campaign.

by KenTX on 01/27/2008 12:42:35 PM EST

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Not to the point (none / 0)
I'm not interested in which side they used to swing for, that wasn't anywhere in my post.  You made a quantitative claim and I'm interested in what numerical percentage you consider "large," and how you came to that particular figure.  If, on the other hand, you meant to say his supporters include, say, "a lot of kooks and 9/11 truthers (redundant, I know)," then I can see eye-to-eye with that.

I personally consider a "large percentage" to include at least a majority, and an anecdotal "poll" of the hundreds of Paul supporters I've seen the writings of or corresponded with personally includes exactly three such kooks.  None of that three is someone I'd have a beer with. :-/

"If you're not pumped up, then get the hell out, 'cause you don't belong here." -- Cenk Uygur

by Spinny on 01/27/2008 12:50:55 PM EST

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Memo to dido head (none / 0)

Interesting.

"So his following is made up of Democrat nuts, and just plain nuts."

But you also said.

"You don't need to tell me what is going on with the Ron Paul campaign. My son is working for Ron Paul in Tennessee and my wife is working for the campaign in Austin. I already get frequent updates."

Classy Ken.

Anyhoo, if this were to happen.

"Ron Paul will run as a third party Libertarian. The only remaining question is whether he will take more Republicans or more Democrats.

If Hillary is the nominee, I think he will take more Democrats."

Would you really want all those wing nuts (so you say) who would not have voted if Paul was not running also voting for congressman? I mean the tin foil hat bunch does not vote for Republicans. Leaving McCain or Romney under the guidance of a Senate and House with a real Democrat majority.

It's 4th and 40 with 45 seconds left. Time to go back to the playbook. 

 

 

by z1p101 on 01/28/2008 10:39:46 PM EST

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nuts (none / 0)
My son voted for Kerry in 2004.

My wife is wavering back to the GOP after meeting some of the 9/11 Truthers.

"Leaving McCain or Romney under the guidance of a Senate and House with a real Democrat majority."

I love the current Democrat Congress with a GOP White House. Nothing gets done.

I hope we keep this set up forever.

by KenTX on 01/28/2008 10:48:49 PM EST

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C'mon (none / 0)

Very small Democrat margin. You open up a bunch of seats for more Dem's in congress with a RINO in the White House.

Well, you know what happens next.

BTW, How many Republicans are retiring this year leaving their seats very vulnerable?

by z1p101 on 01/28/2008 11:06:46 PM EST

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you're not a very good oddsmaker (none / 0)
Your record is not good when it comes to making predictions regarding political outcomes.

When Republicans and Democrats square up on the line of scrimmage in 2008, they both start with a 50% chance of winning.

Republican's 7-3 record gives the GOP a measurable advantage in 2008. It means Democrats are not good at winning elections.

On the other hand, the natural tendency for voters to want change with every election gives the Democrats a measurable advantage in 2008.

A strong economy favors the incumbent party. A weak economy favors the out-party. Ri ght now, the economy is at a point of inflection. If you had a crystal ball that could predict the outcome, you would be light years ahead of everyone on Wall Street. You don't know anymore than I do, which means you don't know how the economy will look in November.

Many voters dislike Hillary.

A McCain-Hillary election looks like a toss-up in some polls, and it looks very close in other polls.

So it all comes down to the economy.

Good economy: Dems lose.

Bad economy: Dems win.

It's as simple as that.

Oh yeah, one more thing. If Democrats lose in 2008, you will lose what's left of your freakin' mind. That's funny. 

by KenTX on 01/29/2008 12:30:17 AM EST

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See that (none / 0)

You can have an intelligent conversation when you want. However, my political predictions still stand firm. Republicans are the ones shooting themselves in the foot every time they choose to support that clown in the White House. Where have I been wrong? Also, the economy only works against Republicans.

Anyway, let's look at the match ups. 

Hillary vs. McCain.

Your best bet for status quo. Neither are popular with the party faithful creating a split.

Hillary vs. McCain + Paul.

Paul will take a percentage of  the Libertarian vote and the "moonbats" will all be pulling the lever for Democrat congressman. You understand what happens then even if McCain pulls it off.

Hillary .vs Romney.

Doesn't matter, the evangelicals who the Republicans depend on will stay home. Bad news there for Republicans even if he wins.

Obama gets in. Regardless if Paul is there or not and if he wins or not there will be a lot of unlikely voters out pulling the Democrat lever for congress.

Looks like most of the best case scenario's  for Republicans involve a House and Senate with a large Democrat majority and a RINO in the White House. Where did I miss?

by z1p101 on 01/29/2008 12:59:51 AM EST

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How I see it. (none / 0)
"Looks like most of the best case scenario's  for Republicans involve a House and Senate with a large Democrat majority and a RINO in the White House. Where did I miss?"

You're forgetting the coattails effect. If Hillary is the nominee, she could drag down House and Senate Democrat candidates.

For the GOP, everything is hinging upon nomination of a candidate who is more likeable than Hillary, and a good economy in November.

Otherwise, we are looking at another 1992, with Democrat control of all three houses: White House, Senate, House of Representatives.

I would be delighted with divided government in 2008, but I think it's an all or nothing proposition.

It all goes back to the economy.

by KenTX on 01/29/2008 01:42:22 AM EST

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Heh (none / 0)

What do you think I am talking about?

"You're forgetting the coattails effect. If Hillary is the nominee, she could drag down House and Senate Democrat candidates."

That is what I am talking about. A normal election year that would make sense but 5 Republican Senators (6 when Stevens is indited) and 21 Congressman are retiring in 2008 in disgrace or to keep from being embarrassed. Plus there are a bunch of Northern Republican Senators who are in real trouble. All the Republicans have is LA. Plus, last time I looked the GOP is broke and have to limit their focus on where they think they can win.

Many voters dislike Hillary.

Now I could go over to some conservative blogs and find what they think about McCain but I don't think that's necessary so let's cut out the usual KenTX BS.

Point is nobody likes either candidate but they cut the right deal with the proper king makers and we are stuck with them unless something major happens. (McCain learned that lesson from Bush in 2000)

Best chance for status quo is have as few people show up at the polls as possible. If Obama and/or Paul are put into the mix then there will be a large amount of extra voters throwing the Democrat congessional levers in the voting booths who will sit this one out otherwise. Paul also takes some Republican votes. Takes evangelicals from Romney and the libertarians and Minute man bunch from McCain.

Bad outlook eh? Now if the economy flops, Iraq re enters the news cycles, another men's room incident happens, Cheney  bombs Iran, anything at all then the Republican party is toast.

You know I am right.

P.S. I am rooting for McCain to get the nod. I think Limbaugh having to talk up McCain after years of bashing him will make for some great radio. 

by z1p101 on 01/29/2008 01:22:19 PM EST

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Oh yea (none / 0)

I forgot.

"Republican's 7-3 record gives the GOP a measurable advantage in 2008."

That's the old Republican party that no longer exists. Did you ever notice how many people who post here claim that they used to vote for Republicans until Bush happened? 

by z1p101 on 01/29/2008 01:07:20 AM EST

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Since (none / 0)

I am on a roll tonight.

"Your record is not good when it comes to making predictions regarding political outcomes."

Shall I make a quick run down memory lane and pluck out all your political predictions?

 

by z1p101 on 01/29/2008 01:25:50 AM EST

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Your back! (none / 0)
How did rehab go?

by MRFred on 01/27/2008 06:03:12 PM EST

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"Interesting" is my middle name. (none / 0)
“I'M a far left kook liberal and I sure as hell wouldn't be going with McCain.”
It’s not about you, because you’re part of the 35% of voters who will pull the (D) lever, no matter what.
It’s about moderate independents, who are another 30% of the electorate. Will they vote Hillary or McCain?

“What do you think of McCain though?” 
If he is running against Hillary Clinton, it doesn’t matter what I think about him. Hillary must be stopped at all cost.

“So why would she be marginalized that way?” 
Hillary has advocated National Socialized Medicine, drivers licenses for illegal aliens and surrender to al Qaeda. That’s enough for us to work with. Remember, the only thing we had on John Kerry was a few Swift Boat guys.

“Colin Powell, that would be interesting.”
How many black people would vote for Vice President Colin Powell after Bill and Hillary lynched and crucified Obama?

“I stand firm on them having no chance.”
If the economy is good (and I’m not making any guarantees) then Hillary is Dead Woman Walking. If the economy is bad, she will win.

End of story.

by KenTX on 01/26/2008 03:16:02 AM EST

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Agreed (none / 0)
What conservatives call far left kook liberals are actually the center. So called moderates wont vote for an R no matter what. There is not going to be a Republican president. Bush made sure of that.

by Chinese Democracy on 01/26/2008 07:34:53 AM EST

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McCain (none / 0)

McCain is being funded by George Soros.

 

He's the most unacceptable politician I've ever seen in my lifetime. I would rther vote for Hillary than that guy. 

by acroso on 01/26/2008 06:45:22 AM EST

So what (none / 0)
I like George Soros, after all he funds Media Matters    .

by Chinese Democracy on 01/26/2008 12:32:12 PM EST

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There is no proof of that. (none / 0)

just indirect links via donations from groups who get donations from other groups and so on...

If that is "proof" then your support of Tancredo who has links to white supremacist organzations, through donations made to his campaign by racist groups should be more than enough to show the forum readers who they are dealing with.

He is after all your favoraite politician. 

 

 

So heres how it works in the right wing world . Acroso supports Tancredo, Tancredo gets money from racist groups therefor acroso is a racist.  Excerpt from another blog will prove that: 

Tancredo is pitctured   with one Barbra Coe .  "Coes organization, California Coalition for ImmigrationReform presented Tancredo with an award for his immigration related work. She also sells "Tancredo for President" stickers. CCIR, which is classified as a hate group, co-hosted a fundraiser for Rep. Tancredo with another hate group, Save our State (SOS) and Glenn Spencer, the founder of Voices of Citizens Together and the American Border Patrol, also considered hate groups.Ms. Coe often refers to Mexican's as "savages" and has also referred to them as "illegal-alien barbarians." Recently, Ms. Coe said, "We are suffering robbery, rape and murder of law-abiding citizens at the hands of illegal barbarians... who are cutting off heads and appendages of blind, white, disabled gringos."(link)

Ties to Council OF Conservative Citizens CCC) "The Council of Conservative Citizens was formed as an outgrowth of the Citizens Council of America. The Citizens Council of America was created after the landmark Supreme Court case Brown v. Board of Education in opposition to the decision to desegregate schools. Like Citizens Council of America, CCC has taken continual ideological stances against non-whites and Jews. The CCC publishes a newsletter, The Citizen's Informer, which serves as a mouthpiece for racist propaganda."(link), rightweb.irc-online.org "Former Citizen's Informer writer., Martin H. Millard, wrote in the Citizen's Informer that non-white immigration was turning America into, "a slimy brown mass of glop." (link)
www.splcenter.org, www.adl.org The CCC has also referred to African-Americans as, "a retrograde species of humanity." mediamatters.org. The Fall 1994 issue of the Citizen's Informer included an article that stated, "Western civilization with all its might and glory would never have achieved its greatness without the directing hand of God and the creative genius of the white race. Any effort to destroy the race by a mixture of black blood is an effort to destroy Western civilization itself."

"Tom Tancredo has connections to several prominent members of the Council of Conservative Citizens. Barbara Coe, the Founder of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform is a self-professed member of the CCC. Virginia Abernathy, a Vanderbilt professor, has served on the Citizen's Informer editorial board. Tancredo has cited both in his speeches" (link)

Other related blogs: 

 

 

by MRFred on 01/27/2008 06:27:14 PM EST

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GOP (none / 0)

GOP is boxed in

box 

by acroso on 01/26/2008 10:27:50 PM EST

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