POLL: Does anyone in America doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator?

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The Greatest President Ever!Recently one of our august conservative Republican TYT contributors asked the burning question:

 

Can you find anyone in America who doubts that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator with a wagonload of "issues"?

 

 

 

 

Theres only one way to find out

Ok America lets Vote!

If you doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator with a wagonload of "issues" respond to this post with

Why yes, Ken I doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator with a wagonload of "issues".

 

For you Floridians out there this is the only place you vote will really count for something. Thank you for your support!


[editor's note, by MRFred] I for one will ignore any further attempt to somehow link Hillary Clinton with Bills misdeeds. I also will ignore any attempts to perpetuate the right wing hopes that those who are concerned about McCains Health can be painted as Un-American and unpatriotic. Regarless of the eventual winner, this election is far too important to allow such idiocy become any thing but backgound noise. MRFred

 

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POLL: Does anyone in America doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator? | 53 comments (53 topical, 0 hidden)
Why yes, Ken (none / 0)

 I doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator with a wagonload of "issues".

by MRFred on 01/30/2008 10:00:02 PM EST

Right here (none / 0)

Why yes, Ken I doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator with a wagonload of "issues".

by z1p101 on 01/30/2008 10:01:39 PM EST

I voted. I made freedom count. (none / 0)
Why yes, Ken I doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator with a wagonload of "issues".

He is pretty much a stereotypical male.

by jazzchic on 01/30/2008 10:08:03 PM EST

Lets Vote! (none / 0)
Why yes, Ken I doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator with a wagonload of "issues".

by 10sejed on 01/30/2008 10:27:25 PM EST

voting (none / 0)

Why yes, Ken I doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator with a wagonload of "issues".

He's just another guy who took advantage of a willing female devotee.  BFD.  I'd give him a blow job too.  Any women accusing him are not taking responsibility for their own actions.  Weak grandstanding bitches.  

by desertpear on 01/30/2008 10:32:46 PM EST

I dont (none / 0)
Why yes, Ken I doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator with a wagonload of "issues".

That conservative troll has so many issues he should have 12 step program named after him.

by Chinese Democracy on 01/30/2008 10:37:07 PM EST

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Indeed (none / 0)

Why yes, Ken I doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator with a wagonload of "issues".

by Spencer on 01/30/2008 10:48:32 PM EST

But (none / 0)
He's not a predator, just a suave mother fucker (possibly literally).  And who doesn't have "issues" in some way?

by Spencer on 01/30/2008 10:50:23 PM EST

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Ken, Ken, Ken... (none / 0)

Why yes, Ken I doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator with a wagonload of "issues".

I'm thinking that if our current President had gotten some blowjobs in the Oval Office then we wouldn't be in the mess we're in right now.

by Juarez Traveller on 01/31/2008 12:16:34 AM EST

meeting halfway (none / 0)


Why yes, Ken I doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator.

...as far as issues...Are we talkin'

radioflyer
--------- station wagon


Or

hay wagon












I need to know parameters.

by MedfordTim on 01/31/2008 01:05:21 AM EST

Now I'm starting to get envious. (none / 0)

by Juarez Traveller on 01/31/2008 02:38:25 AM EST

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Mission Accomplished! (none / 0)
Thank you for playing.

This is how we will frame the debate in 2008.

Was Bill Clinton a serial sexual predator, and was Hillary Clinton his Enabler-In-Chief?
I did not have sex! 
juanita
paula
paula

willey
phony
Was John McCain so physically damaged after five and a half years of torture at the hands of communist interrogators, that he will have trouble surviving two terms as president?
young mccain 
torture
hero

by KenTX on 01/31/2008 03:13:00 AM EST

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That (none / 0)

is the way Limbaugh fans will see it. However, no one else is listening.

Sorry Ken, that is just the way it is. Pay attention to what is happening out side the neo con world. 

by z1p101 on 01/31/2008 03:19:40 AM EST

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Oh yea (none / 0)
thanks for playing.

by z1p101 on 01/31/2008 03:34:24 AM EST

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No and Yes, in that order. (none / 0)

by Juarez Traveller on 01/31/2008 03:28:25 AM EST

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Can't we do this for every issue (none / 0)

Can't we find random pictures of women crying and relate them to any issue?  It hardly counts as an argument.

 

Also, when you just flat out admit how you're going to spin things dishonestly, you know you look like you're just reveling in being a lying mother fucker right?  All it's missing is the "Mua ha ha ha".

 

Please just sit this one out like Rush wants you to. 

by Spencer on 01/31/2008 03:49:16 AM EST

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That's debate? (none / 0)
Ken, Ken, Ken...
You still, even after the last decade and a half of unethical Republican behavior and outright corruption, still don't get it that what you're proposing isn't debate at all.  When you use fallacious ad hominem attacks against your opponent, it becomes a war for the soul of the country.  We view it as a fundamental issue of morality, with you demonstrating your own inherent immorality.

Your methods cause the discussion to swing from one that is simply about, for instance, whether tax cuts for the rich or investment in our workforce is better, to a more personal one about whether imprisonment or psychiatric treatment is required, for it is clear that the damage done to our country by dangerous idiots like you will outlast your useless and wasted life.

by Juarez Traveller on 01/31/2008 09:18:35 AM EST

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Hilarious (none / 0)

by Spencer on 01/31/2008 03:43:43 AM EST

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Yes, Texas, (none / 0)
Why yes, Ken I doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator with a wagonload of "issues".

SAM: What's new, Normie?
NORM: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach and they're demanding beer.

by Spinny on 01/31/2008 07:32:13 AM EST

Debate Framing (none / 0)
Frame is the appropriate word.

This is how we frame the debate in 2008.

No that is how you framed the debate. Of course serious debate isn't your goal. Serious people won't have it.

Right wing hacks will...so now the question is which one are you? Serious citizen ( lovable curmudgeon that you are) expressing his views and debating the issues that will impact our Republic OR desperate right wing hack, using disinformation and distortions to elect a Republican president in a vain hope to get a few more tax cuts and favors?

Sen McCains health is an issue though not political one. Of course you desperately want to distort that that into some sort of " you hate Ameriaca" diatribe for those who ask the question.

Shame on you.

by MRFred on 01/31/2008 07:35:17 AM EST

Why yes, Ken I doubt that Bill Clinton is a ... (none / 0)
Why yes, Ken I doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator with a wagonload of "issues".

by heavydavyd on 01/31/2008 07:37:04 AM EST

Why yes, (none / 0)
Why yes, Ken I doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator with a wagonload of "issues"

I don't doubt that anyone who is as obsessed with Bill Clinton's penis as much as SOME people are have a wagonload of "issues".

Of course I am not a trained professional so I would advise seeking the opinion of a qualified expert.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 01/31/2008 08:09:06 AM EST

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And by the way? (none / 0)
Who the hell gives a f*ck?  Very old news and Republicans SOOOOOO don't have a leg to stand on with this issue.  Won't help them.

Why yes, Ken I doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator with a wagonload of "issues".

by blueheartinaredstate on 01/31/2008 09:24:40 AM EST

The long arm of the law. (none / 0)

Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000 to drop the lawsuit.

Clinton admitted to lying under oath in January 2001.

"President Clinton, on last full day in office, agrees to settlement in which he will avoid possibility of indictment in exchange for admitting he gave false testimony under oath and agreeing to surrender his law license for five years."
 
In April 1999, about two months after being acquitted by the Senate, Clinton was cited by Federal District Judge Susan Webber Wright for civil contempt of court for his "willful failure" to obey her repeated orders to testify truthfully in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit. For this citation, Clinton was assessed a $90,000 fine, and the matter was referred to the Arkansas Supreme Court to see if disciplinary action would be appropriate.

by KenTX on 01/31/2008 04:45:07 PM EST

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You haven't answered an essential question: (none / 0)

SO WHAT?

Why should we care that some right-wing nutcases who have have robbed us of our constitutional rights and who have made this country the weakest it has been since the Great Depression might falsely attack someone who hasn't been in office for the 7-1/2 years that you and your ilk spent selling out our country?

Yeah.  You're a pillar of morality.

by Juarez Traveller on 01/31/2008 05:45:53 PM EST

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false attack? (none / 0)
All I was doing was enumerating the results of criminal indictments and civil actions against William Jefferson Clinton.

In case you haven't heard, he's in front of the camera 24/7, trying to take back control of the country.

These issues are highly relevant to the decision that the country is faced with.

You don't like the topic? That's tough shit! You're gonna be hearing about this all the way to Election Day.

by KenTX on 01/31/2008 05:57:58 PM EST

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Ha ha ha (none / 0)

It turns out Ken is loosing his mind. This is all old news dude and no one cares.

I mean no one. 

by z1p101 on 01/31/2008 06:04:57 PM EST

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Women who cry in pictures never lie (none / 0)
I'm sure Ken supports Susan Smith and believes she was innocent and misunderstood because look here she is crying about how someone stole her "babies"


Susan Smith

Poor Susan she is sooooo distraught thank God Ken always believes crying women are truthful.

Oh wait....OH MY GOD.....I'll bet Bill Clinton made her do it!!! THAT BASTARD!!!!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 01/31/2008 06:11:21 PM EST

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The Conservative WSJ (none / 0)

Broderick 

"This is a story that's been knocked down and discredited so many times, I was shocked to see it in the Journal today," says Jack Nelson, Washington bureau chief of the Los Angeles Times. "Well, not shocked, since it ran on the editorial page. Everyone's taken a slice of it, and after looking at it, everyone's knocked it down. The woman has changed her story about whether it happened. It just wasn't credible. I don't know if NBC will run it, but if they do, they'll do it knowing there are real problems with it."

Significantly, the Wall Street Journal's own news department has declined to run the Broaddrick story in its pages. When asked if Journal reporters had pursued it, the paper's Washington bureau chief, Alan Murray, replied, "I'm not going to comment on how we devote our resources. But you're right to observe this has not appeared in our news pages, except in brief references." The Journal was the first to report that House managers were showing Starr's sealed "Jane Doe" material, Murray says. Later, in its Washington Wire column, the paper revealed that House Judiciary Committee counsel David Schippers had decided not to include the Broaddrick materials in the impeachment trial, since she had given different versions of the story and there was no evidence of obstruction of justice by the Clinton administration in the changed tales.

by MRFred on 01/31/2008 06:28:20 PM EST

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The Repubs are just looking out for us (none / 0)
They're afraid we might feel bad because they have all the sexual miscapades locked up, so they try to manufacture a Dem one every now and then.  You know, to try to share the fun some.  They don't realize that outside their ranks the number of perverts and scumbags is pretty low.

SAM: What's new, Normie?
NORM: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach and they're demanding beer.

by Spinny on 01/31/2008 06:33:10 PM EST

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Ken Starr says Wiley Is a liar among others. (none / 0)

US Office of the Independent Counsel report noted that "Willey gave false information to the FBI about her sexual relationship with a former boyfriend, and acknowledged having lied about it when the agents confronted her with contradictory evidence.

Following Willey’s acknowledgment of the lie, the Independent Counsel agreed not to prosecute her for false statements in this regard."According to Independent Counsel Robert Ray’s report, "Willey’s [Paula] Jones deposition testimony differed from her grand jury testimony on material aspects of the alleged incident."

In a November 7 interview with Sean Hannity she contradicted information from her own book.Willey had alleged that, two days before her deposition in the Paula Jones sexual harassment case, Cody Shearer, the brother of a Clinton White House aide, had confronted her, hurt her cat, and threatened her children.

During The Sean Hannity Show Willey stated, "[the] FBI checked it out, and they found his excuse to be, for not being there, his alibi, was uncheckable, not so much ironclad as uncheckable." However, in her book she had written, "I was told that Shearer had an 'airtight' and 'ironclad' alibi, but another source told me that it was 'uncheckable.'"

Tripp also challenged Willey’s account of that Oval Office meeting. According to Tripp, Willey had arranged the meeting in part to see if her flirtation with Clinton might advance. After Clinton and Willey met privately, Willey rushed back to Tripp’s office to describe the meeting. According to Tripp, Willey “smiled from ear to ear the entire time” as she described the event. “She seemed almost shocked, but happy-shocked,” Tripp told the grand jury.Willey told Tripp that she and Clinton had "smooched," but made no mention of a sexual assault.

According to a book critical of Clinton by Candice E. Jackson, Linda Tripp told Larry King in February 1999 that Willey is "an honest person" who was "telling the truth" about her sexual assault at Bill Clinton's hands. However, Tripp's grand jury testimony differs from Willey's claims regarding Willey's of inappropriate sexual advances.

Willey has a history of controversial claims including telling the FBI she was pregnant and she had a miscarriage when she did not.

by MRFred on 01/31/2008 07:08:17 PM EST

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Paula Jones: Weapon of Mass Derision (none / 0)

 The court dismissed the lawsuit, before trial, on the grounds that Jones failed to demonstrate any damages.

Jones now claims she was victimized by both Clinton and his Republican opponents. Her legal fund did not cover the attorneys' fees, and Jones' personal life was disrupted during the controversy: she was divorced by her husband, purchased a house after the settlement, and incurred a large tax bill, then posed nude for Penthouse magazine, claiming that she would use the money to pay the tax and fund her two grade-school-aged children's college education.

This caused her to be publicly denounced as "trailer-park trash" by author Ann Coulter, who said, "I totally believed she was the good Christian girl who had suffered sexual harassment and eschewal, that is what she made herself out to be.... [N]ow it turns out she's a fraud...

Jones subsequently appeared in a boxing match against Tonya Harding in Fox TV's Celebrity Boxing in 2002 filling in for Amy Fisher, which she lost.

by MRFred on 01/31/2008 07:29:41 PM EST

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I can understand why. (none / 0)
"Jones subsequently appeared in a boxing match against Tonya Harding in Fox TV's Celebrity Boxing in 2002 filling in for Amy Fisher, which she lost." 

Paula didn't want to break her new nose. And nobody could beat Tonya Harding in a fist fight. Tonya is the undisputed Queen of the Trailer Park.

by KenTX on 01/31/2008 07:58:55 PM EST

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Dude, on that we totally agree. (none / 0)

SAM: What's new, Normie?
NORM: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach and they're demanding beer.

by Spinny on 01/31/2008 08:06:40 PM EST

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Yeah (none / 0)

She could crack walnuts with those thighs...yeeesh.

 

by MRFred on 01/31/2008 08:40:22 PM EST

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Actually, I'm starting to adore the topic... (none / 0)
...because it will be so easy to beat you up with it.

Sure, go ahead and keep spouting your twisted version of it.  But all we have to do is lay out for all to see the too simple case against your obviously false accusations (which MRFred did admirably well in this thread), and then keep on our message (which includes the total lack of integrity on your side, the devestation wrought on our economy by your stupid policies, and our tried and true plans to fix the problems that you created), and we could see the end of the Republican Party. 

It's like ol' Abe said (you remember, he used to be one of yours, although I seriously doubt he'd have anything to do with the the party today -- especially not with your traitor ous neocons):  "You can fool some of the people...", etc., etc., etc.

Shucks.  I may have to start cheering for Hillary so we could actually have that fight, because if my guy gets the nod then the whole subject is null and void.

Oh, well.  At least I know now that I'll be happy either way.

by Juarez Traveller on 01/31/2008 10:16:16 PM EST

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Actually, I'm starting to enjoy your participation (none / 0)
because you are so easy to defeat!

"At least I know now that I'll be happy either way."
Until Hillary loses to McCain, as you have predicted yourself.

"MRFred did admirably well in this thread."
Then you better let him do the talking, because you're a helpless lightweight.

by KenTX on 01/31/2008 11:15:18 PM EST

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Ken, Ken, Ken... (none / 0)

You keep trying, but you just can't get it right, can you?  Perhaps you need a new prescription for your glasses, because no one else in the world would consider what I said to be a prediction that Clinton would lose to McCain.

Tsk tsk tsk.

So sorry.  Well, keep trying.  Maybe one day you'll actually get something right!


by Juarez Traveller on 01/31/2008 11:40:25 PM EST

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Oh, and by the way... (none / 0)

It seems that we've met your challenge to find someone who believes that Bill Clinton is not a sexual predator with a wagonload of issues.

Thanks for the entertainment!  Got another challenge?  Or are you tired of losing.

by Juarez Traveller on 01/31/2008 11:49:53 PM EST

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If you are new (none / 0)

I'll tell you right now that Ken will run away.

He actually believes that drumming up some 10 year old story that everyone on the planet already knows will work (he is a funny guy, isn't he?).

Anyway, one of Ken's favorite man crushes, Karl Rove is not taking Hillary as lightly as he is.

"It is a small but telling story: she is tough, persistent and forgets nothing. Those are some of the reasons she is so formidable as a contender, and why Republicans who think she would be easy to beat are wrong."

I guess Karl just admitted defeat to Hillary in Ken's eyes? 

by z1p101 on 02/01/2008 12:35:39 AM EST

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Thanks, and I know. (none / 0)

I've been a member for about a week and bought my subscription yesterday.  I've tangled with Ken a few times before and I've seen him run everytime someone says something that flatly contradicts him and that he can't deny.

Actually, after I first encountered him, I started seeking him out for practice before I invade a couple of neocon blogs to see how many people of that ilk I can demoralize.  But Ken isn't a strong enough opponent for what I want to do -- he doesn't marshall his facts very well and picks topics that are too easy.  And then he runs away.

I like acroso, too.  I'd like to try a different, somewhat less hostile approach with him (although I might have blown that opportunity the first time we met in a thread), but I can never draw him into a conversation.

Anyway, this is sure fun, isn't it? :)

by Juarez Traveller on 02/01/2008 01:36:01 AM EST

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Las Cruces Boy (none / 0)
You're caught like a fly in a spider web. You just don't know it yet. Consider yourself my new project.

by KenTX on 02/01/2008 05:00:46 AM EST

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Wonderful! (none / 0)
Thank you!

by Juarez Traveller on 02/01/2008 11:51:04 AM EST

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It's perfect (none / 0)

"He doesn't marshall his facts very well and picks topics that are too easy.  And then he runs away."  That's exactly what you want for training if you're planning on taking on the right wing blogs.  That's all your going to find there too. 

by Spencer on 02/01/2008 05:23:15 AM EST

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Bill (none / 0)

Why yes, Ken I doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator with a wagonload of "issues".

Ken is just into Bill's Dick 

by lbarn on 01/31/2008 10:59:55 AM EST

Vote cast! (none / 0)
Why yes, Ken, I doubt that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator with a wagonload of "issues."

I'll fix your little red wagon!

by jarett on 01/31/2008 01:57:05 PM EST

Yes, "predator" is the wrong word. (none / 0)
He's sexual, he's a cad, but "sexual predator" he's not.

That term has specific criminal meanings that do not apply merely to people who have sexual relations with multiple consenting partners.

by Gregory Wonderwheel on 01/31/2008 02:54:01 PM EST

how to spin accusation (none / 0)
"That term has specific criminal meanings that do not apply merely to people who have sexual relations with multiple consenting partners."

The women crying in those photographs do not appear to be "consenting".

The serious nature of the charge is troubling, and it far outweighs any lack of evidence. (I stole this phrase from many Democrats who used it while making accusations against Republicans.)

by KenTX on 01/31/2008 04:23:37 PM EST

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How to spin photography. (none / 0)

 The women crying in those photographs do not appear to be "consenting".

How do you know what they are crying about? For all you know that could have really bad allergies ,just saw Bambi or just were shown a picture of Cheney naked.

by MRFred on 01/31/2008 05:14:37 PM EST

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How to spin photography. (none / 0)

 The women crying in those photographs do not appear to be "consenting".

How do you know what they are crying about? For all you know that could have really bad allergies ,just saw Bambi or just were shown a picture of Cheney naked.

by MRFred on 01/31/2008 05:15:05 PM EST

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Did Jesse give you that one? (none / 0)
That sounds very similar to a OneHitKill post.

by KenTX on 01/31/2008 05:37:36 PM EST

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Absolutly Not (none / 0)
But great minds do think alike. Maybe we are sock puppets!

by MRFred on 01/31/2008 05:39:57 PM EST

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Bump Bump Bump (none / 0)

by MRFred on 07/30/2008 06:10:23 PM EST

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