10/19/2008 07:26:38 PM EST

Obama in a box.

posted by KenTX

Here’s the bottom line folks. The federal budget deficit is so large that Obama will not be able to raise spending. The economy is so weak that it is impossible to raise taxes.

Obama has made so many promises, that it would be political suicide to raise taxes.

We’ve got him in a box. With a Democrat-controlled Congress he can break his promises, but he will be destroyed in 2010 and 2012.

Remember the promise that George HW Bush made at the 1988 GOP Convention?

Here’s how Bill Clinton punished him for using those words.

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Barack Obama says he wants to “spread the wealth around”.

Obama guarantees he will not raise your taxes if you earn “less than $250,000”.

But he says he needs to “capture some revenue” if you earn between $100,000 - $250,000, in order to save social security.

Obama calls is neighborliness, but most people call it socialism.

Obama is digging himself a big hole on the subject of taxes.
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Obama in a box. | 41 comments (41 topical, 0 hidden)
Let's prove Ken wrong (none / 0)
about how popular his posts are and not bother commenting ;)  Sorry Ken, but McCain says negative attacks WORK!

by desertpear on 10/19/2008 07:59:08 PM EST

I love when cons post (none / 0)
Taxes, Taxes, Taxes that's the mantra.

If you believed the Republican talking points you would believe that Democrats always raise taxes while Republicans always, always, always cut them.

Ken sort of slipped up on this one, reminding us that not all Republicans are so stupid as to believe all problems are solved by cutting taxes.

Yes boys and girls there are actually real Republicans who aren't completely brain dead when it comes to taxes, as Ken has so kindly reminded us.

Papa Bush (a real Bush, not a Shrub) realized that despite his best intentions when reality reared its ugly head he had to do what was correct, not popular.

Did Bill Clinton take advantage of his overly optimistic promises? Why yes! Yes he did!

Now I imagine many of you might be thinking "But Hubble, that was only one Republican who didn't increase taxes, RIGHT?"

Again if you only listen to the Right Wing Noise Machine, you would certainly believe that, but it's time to take a reality pop quiz for extra credit.

What President signed the largest tax increase in United States history?

Now the Arnold Horshac in the forum I'm sure are frantically raising their hands shouting Ooh-ooh-ooooh!Ooh-ooh-ooooh !Ooh-ooh-ooooh! Hubble! Hubble! Hubble! I know! I know!

And they would be speedy like a rabbit to tell you it was Bill Clinton.

Unfortunately they would be would be wrong and receive no bonus points. Clinton actually signed the 2nd largest tax increase in history.

The winner and still undisputed champion of tax increases was none other than the man who has been embraced as the Patron Saint of Conservatism, The Great Communicator, The Gipper himself, Ronald Reagan

The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 was the biggest increase." That was the tax increase signed by Ronald Reagan, rescinding some of the effects of his huge tax cut passed the year before.

The undisputed champion.

In fact Clinton's wasn't even close.

"That 1982 tax increase only slightly exceeded Clinton's in inflation-adjusted dollars ($37 billion a year vs.. $32 billion) but it was much bigger in relation to the size of the economy. The '82 increase amounted to 0.8% of GDP (average for the first two years) while Clinton's was 0.5%."

So contrary to popular belief, not all Republicans are as stupid as The Village Idiot from Crawford
Lemmings

and his minions of lemmings.

Class dismissed.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 10/19/2008 08:43:18 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Pear... (none / 0)
... I beg to differ. Ken's posts are popular in a Britney Spears train-wreck kind of way. We all like to come here and see what the latest unfortunate piece of misinformation he has been brainwashed with from Rush and Fox is.

I swear, seeing a Ken post titled "Obama in the Box" or whatever makes me say "don't do it Yasemin, you know its some sort of smear bull crap that makes no logical sense etc" so I ignore it for a while until I can't help myself and I'm super bored with what I should be doing and end up clicking on it.

Same for Britney Spears news... You see the link "Britney shaves her head" and you're like "dude, this is so stupid, what do I care? I'm not going to contribute to the popularity of this garbage" but when you're super bored... OK fine I'll just click on it to see what its about... Or the link to "which celeb got caught with jiggly thighs at the beach!"

So yeah, his posts are popular, but not all publicity is good publicity;)

Y

by chrisandyasemin on 10/19/2008 09:29:59 PM EST

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masochist!! ;) (none / 0)

by desertpear on 10/19/2008 09:45:25 PM EST

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haha! (none / 0)
when you put it like that, suddenly I feel dirty and soiled for reading Ken's posts...

I know, there is a part of me, as with celeb gossip, that feels like I've lost a a few good brain cells just for clicking on this stuff;)

Y

by chrisandyasemin on 10/19/2008 10:08:09 PM EST

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Dirty and soiled (none / 0)

That's how I feel reading about Britney -- but I do it anyway.  And I usually never visit one of KenTX's posts because psychopaths just don't interest me that much.  They're too predictable.

But here I am.  Maybe I should buy a TV after all.

Wow.  I can't decide which is worse: watching TV or reading KenTX's drivel.

Yeesh!


The world is a strange place, but that makes it really fun to watch. -- bfaul

by EveningStarNM on 10/20/2008 12:56:12 AM EST

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You're onto me. (none / 0)
"I swear, seeing a Ken post titled "Obama in the Box" or whatever..."
 
The title of the blog is important, because if I make it sound interesting, it's hard to resist.

Then I provide numerous links that are difficult to dispute, especially when Obama is speaking in his own words.

If you're unable to counter the assertions, then you've learned something new from a different perspective.

The best test of the effectiveness of one of my blogs is when it is loaded with posts contai ning personal insults. It means the liberals were stumped again.

by KenTX on 10/20/2008 12:47:37 AM EST

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most of the times (none / 0)
I just like to read through the piles of evidence that other present against you bc honestly most of the times I'm just too lazy, I figure if I wait another 5 minutes someone will come along and dis-lodge your argument. It gets sad after about 20 posts so I usually stop reading because it is so one sided. Its like watching Kimbo Slice get knocked out over and over and over again cause the ref fell asleep in the corner and forgot to stop the fight after the first knock out.

So yes, the titles are indeed attention getters but in terms of learning something new, I just end up learning how to counter the newest right-wing talking point. So for that, I thank you!

Y

by chrisandyasemin on 10/20/2008 01:12:10 AM EST

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Teaching liberals as if they were preschoolers (none / 0)
"I just like to read through the piles of evidence that other present against you bc honestly most of the times It gets sad after about 20 posts so I usually stop reading because it is so one sided."

Well, we're almost up to 20 posts in this thread. We've seen the typical piles of liberal bullshit, but where are the piles of "evidence"?

"So yes, the titles are indeed attention getters but in terms of learning something new, I just end up learning how to counter the newest right-wing talking point. So for that, I thank you!"

You're quite welcome! So let's recap what you learned.

1. Obama can't raise taxes because the economy is very weak, and tax increases would exacerbate and compound the problems.

2. Obama can't raise spending because the federal budget deficit is extremely large.

3. Obama is stuck in a box. He can't tax. He can't spend. He can't do the only things that Democrats know how to do.

by KenTX on 10/20/2008 01:32:32 AM EST

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some problems (none / 0)
1) He can raise taxes on those who aren't as affected by the poor economy (higher-income earners) and lower taxes on those who are.  That's his plan.  It's a mixture of Republican tax cuts and Democratic tax increases, designed to stimulate the economy from the ground up.  If lower- and middle-income earners have more money to spend, the economy will do better, but he still needs an additional stream of revenue to counterbalance that cut.  A tax cut is the same as a spending increase on the government's balance sheet.


2) I agree with you here, it is a very difficult problem.  It's a catch-22.  I think America needs to take progressive measures to help stimulate the economy ultimately so the government can bring in more money, but at the same time we have to take a look at our deficit and our 10-trillion dollar debt.  At least Obama is trying, though.  I trust him more than your guy McCain, who hasn't offered any brilliant ideas aside from flat tax cuts, which only exacerbate the deficit and partially help people who might not be feeling the effects of the poor economy.  Oh, and his patented earmark veto pen, which would remove maybe 2% of the deficit, maybe 5%, but hardly enough to make a difference.

3) As a side-note, I think you're profoundly un-American.  You seem to be reveling in the crisis this country is facing, saying "Obama's in a box" when really America is in that box.  We can't raise revenue, we can't reduce our debt.  It is a serious problem.  And you're laughing and making fun of Obama for trying to solve the problem with innovative, progressive solutions while McCain offers nothing but tired old Republican proposals of "cut taxes," smears on Obama, voter suppression and voting machine fraud, and an profoundly, dangerously ignorant VP.  As a patriot and proud American, your mirth at the difficult situation facing our nation makes me sick.

by marlonm on 10/20/2008 02:03:37 AM EST

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thats the way the right wing (none / 0)
noise machine works...

Recap or repeat?

If you repeat it enough times maybe it will become true Ken...

I do admire your persistence though, in a Bart-Simpson-gets-electrocu ted-a-million-times-for-Lis a's-science-project-and-sti ll-doesn't-learn-his-lesson -cause-he-keeps-trying-to-g et-the-cupcake-kind-of-way.

I think even rodents pass that test.

Y

by chrisandyasemin on 10/20/2008 02:38:57 PM EST

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Don't flatter yourself, Ken (none / 0)
Your links are always easy to dispute.  Usually, you haven't even read them yourself, and when you have, you've failed to understand what you read.  Since you always base your arguments (if you can call them that) on what you think is behind those links, it's easy to make you bite yourself in the ass.

In fact, it's too easy.  You appear to have no understanding of logic or respect for truth.   It makes you a very weak opponent.  That's why I don't talk issues with you anymore, Ken.  You just aren't interesting.  But liars and frauds never really are.


The world is a strange place, but that makes it really fun to watch. -- bfaul

by EveningStarNM on 10/20/2008 01:16:35 AM EST

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The Audacity of Dopes (none / 0)

"Freedom is important to Republicans as long as someone else pays for it on the battlefield and on April 15th."

by MRFred on 10/19/2008 08:21:19 PM EST

Ha. (none / 0)

Pretty much.

I haven't seen one area where Obama said he'd increase spending.

But many, many instances where he'll be DIVERTING spending from one place to another.

Ken, you're loony.

-Jason B. (CaptainDingo)

by Jason Brown on 10/19/2008 08:22:40 PM EST

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Fred!!! Thats My Picture!!! (none / 0)
I feel so used....

How many others have you used my picture on???

:)

by bobo1 on 10/19/2008 08:34:15 PM EST

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That's your picture bobo? (none / 0)
Is that your best side?

by bfaul on 10/20/2008 12:32:12 AM EST

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which one is you? (none / 0)

by desertpear on 10/20/2008 12:36:17 AM EST

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Oh my god. (none / 0)
Did you really say that, bobo1?


The world is a strange place, but that makes it really fun to watch. -- bfaul

by EveningStarNM on 10/20/2008 01:19:44 AM EST

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Forgive me (none / 0)

I feel so ashamed...Im sure ther are hundreds of other ass shots that apply to KuKluxKen.

Let me know when the flowers get there.

"Freedom is important to Republicans as long as someone else pays for it on the battlefield and on April 15th."

by MRFred on 10/20/2008 08:52:56 AM EST

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lol (none / 0)
flowers are a nice touch..

Republicans portray the government as the enemy. Then when they take over, they prove it.

by Chinese Democracy on 10/20/2008 05:48:26 PM EST

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your post overlooks many things (none / 0)
Digging himself a deep hole?

DIGGING HIMSELF A DEEP HOLE??

How the hell can you reference an economic disaster caused by Republican monetary policy (can you say trickle-down? can you say huge corporate tax breaks? can you say out of control military spending? can you say misguided money pit in Iraq? can you say supported by John McCain?) and then turn around and say Obama's plan would be worse than McCain's?  Where's the government revenue under McCain's plan?  How does he propose getting us out of the red and into the black?  His taxing and spending policies are just like Bush's, and guess who got us into this mess?

I know you don't explicitly state that Obama's plan would be worse, you're just focusing on the politics of it.  Nobody wants their taxes raised, and because Obama's trying to be responsible by saying we need to DO something about the federal deficit like *gasp* raising taxes for people in higher tax brackets in addition to putting progressive measures in place to protect the people who'd be most hurt, people like you fan the flames of "he's gonna raise taxes!  SOCIALISM!"

Face it, okay.  Bush and the Republicans in charge screwed us over big time.  They're the ones who dug this hole.   They're the ones who covered us in shit.  We're already IN IT.  Either McCain or Obama's going to have to dig us out, and this election is about who can do so the most effectively.

You can go with McCain and four more years of 500 billion dollar deficits (minus maybe ten billion in earmark spending that he vows to cut, and I don't hear any other brilliant ideas from him), or you can go with Obama who has tax plans to create more revenue and job plans to increase productivity and bring in even more revenue for the U.S. government.  To pay off our debts and restore global confidence in our economy, which helps us get even more money in the long term which can go toward helping increase the American standard of living.

God!  I am so sick of short-term stupid-minded hacks expressing political opinions as if they're worth a damn!  It's you people who rail against tax increases as "socialism" no matter what the broader picture is that sway the minds of ignorant voters and cause America to spiral downward into mediocrity.

I know you're going to respond to my anger with some cool, witty reply, and good for you.  I probably won't even read your response, I've got better things to do like work my ass off for a barely living wage that's several dollars higher than minimum wage (which is supposed to be a living wage, would be in the economy that my parents grew up in), just making it by writing on the side, thanks to this shit economy that you Republicans gave me, a 22-year-old just entering the workforce.  But try to take my points into consideration, and try not to be too much of an ass.

Thanks,

Marlon

by marlonm on 10/20/2008 01:29:17 AM EST

oh no I dont think so marlonm (none / 0)
That troll is fresh out of witty replies.. in fact he is posting the same old crap.

Hes pretty ignorant but he has figured out baiting people and getting them to respond gets more posts  and his self worth is commensurate with the number of replies he gets.

Its an old story

Republicans portray the government as the enemy. Then when they take over, they prove it.

by Chinese Democracy on 10/20/2008 02:09:56 AM EST

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hm (none / 0)
I guess so.  But I'm still pissed off.  Maybe that means his baiting worked.  Whatever, if he feels good about it that's fine.  Maybe he's got rich parents.

by marlonm on 10/20/2008 02:17:48 AM EST

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You'll get to know Ken. He'll force you to. (none / 0)
Ken is a psychopath. He doesn't give a damn about you. All he cares about is diddling himself, and if it's at your expense, so what? Whether you're pissed or bored or happy or sad... it just doesn't matter to Ken. Ken doesn't have feelings like normal people. Ken simply likes knowing that he can manipulate you for his own amusement.  Ken is amused when people are upset, but the fact that they are upset doesn't register with him the same way it does with you and me.  You are an insect, and not worthy of consideration.  Some psychopaths even kill for stimulation.  Just be grateful that Ken is only a web site troll...

...as far as we know.


The world is a strange place, but that makes it really fun to watch. -- bfaul

by EveningStarNM on 10/20/2008 02:33:08 AM EST

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careful EveningStarNM (none / 0)
KKKenTX will  1/1 people to explain what a nice person he is .. and that it would be in their best interest if they did what he wanted and ignored you till you leave.

As you can see.. that ploy worked marvelously on me

Republicans portray the government as the enemy. Then when they take over, they prove it.

by Chinese Democracy on 10/20/2008 02:50:15 AM EST

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Ken (none / 0)

Ken is pretty much on a big argument loop.

Everything he says just comes back in a few months no matter how bad you beat the shit out of him.

We just have a lot of new folks who haven't seen this stupid crap yet.

Enjoy the pinata boys and girls.

by ProfRich on 10/20/2008 09:37:16 AM EST

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I simply serve up the facts, (none / 0)
then I sit back and enjoy as liberals try to counter with weak arguments. Take this thread for example. Its loaded with the typical personal attacks, but where is the convincing argument that Obama will be able to significantly increase taxing and spending. What good is a Democrat who can't tax and spend?

by KenTX on 10/20/2008 04:30:11 PM EST

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KKKenTX (none / 0)
Spending? Lets see.. The cost of doing police work in Iraq  3 Billion dollars a week

Taxes? Nope not here.. my taxes will go down. You can calcuate your tax savings HERE

McCain wants to shift the burden from employers to workers. He will make health care premiums part of taxable income.

Is that to personal? I just wanted to post a couple facts .. you can sit back and think about how I directly answered your post and proved that it was just another lie  .. Why is it you conservatives lie so much? Is reality something you cant deal with?

Republicans portray the government as the enemy. Then when they take over, they prove it.

by Chinese Democracy on 10/20/2008 06:04:46 PM EST

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re: argument (none / 0)
If my argument is so weak, why don't you respond to it?

Obama's plan doesn't just call for "tax and spend," it calls for tax cuts for lower/middle income earners.  Those are the people most affected by the weak economy, who would be hurt by tax increases.  He is, however, increasing taxes on the upper income earners , those who aren't as affected by the weak economy.  He's also removing big corporate subsidies that often go straight into the pockets of the ultra-wealthy few.  Will they be affected by a tax increase?  Of course.  But will they get through it?  Of course.

So he's still taxing and spending, by the way, in order to solve the economic crisis.  He's just doing so in an intelligent way that keeps the most financially vulnerable people safe.

Using the additional revenue from that upper-income tax increase, plus removal of certain big business subsidies (big oil, insurance, etc.), he's calling for spending proposals geared toward strengthening the economy.  The lower/middle income tax cut is one such spending proposal (remember, tax cuts and increased spending are the same thing to a government's fiscal balance sheet), as are numerous job creation and small business tax credit proposals.

by marlonm on 10/20/2008 07:11:16 PM EST

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Marlon versus Obama (none / 0)
“If my argument is so weak, why don't you respond to it?”
Barack Obama himself will respond to your weak argument.

Obama admits that he can’t raise taxes when the economy is weak.

Any tax increase, or expiration of Bush tax cuts, when the economy is already weakened, will send the country into a tailspin.

At the same time, Obama has promised a “Net Spending Decrease”.

So he can’t raise taxes with the current economic conditions. And he can’t increase spending with such a massive budget deficit.

by KenTX on 10/20/2008 10:19:47 PM EST

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Surprise, surprise. Ken lies again. (none / 0)

Lesson 1: If you're going to engage a discussion with Ken, always follow his links.  He rarely does, and when he does, he never understands what he's seen.  Either that, or he lies about what's there.  Regardless, you probably don't need to do any further research than what he's provided.  You can usually turn Ken's links against him, as is easy to do in this case since they completely contradict what he's trying to prove.  Obama never says what Ken (or the titles under the links) say that Obama is saying.

But the best policy is just to avoid discussions with Ken.  He's not really interested in the topic anyway.  He just wants to manipulate you, and to agitate you.  That's how he gets his kicks.  He is, after all, a psychopath, and he can never change that.  Apparently, the only stimulation that he can find is when he proves to himself by some strange criteria that he's powerful.  Usually, that involves making someone else miserable, although he can't relate at all to such feelings since he can't experience them.

It's very sad for Ken, really.  He just doesn't know it.


The world is a strange place, but that makes it really fun to watch. -- bfaul

by EveningStarNM on 10/20/2008 11:42:59 PM EST

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Follow the Yellow Brick Links! (none / 0)
"If you're going to engage a discussion with Ken, always follow his links."

Follow the links indeed. You might have noticed that I've started using YouTube links rather than text links. This is because a video link prevents you liberals from parsing words and torturing sentences like a team of Democrat lawyers in Bush v. Gore.

Now when one of you numbskulls offers another lame assertion, I simply find a link from the original source to make you look ridiculous. I enjoy repeatedly serving you guys with a Marshal McLuhan Moment.

by KenTX on 10/21/2008 01:51:54 AM EST

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Thank you, Ken. (none / 0)

What I don't understand is why you want to keep proving my points for me.  You either lied or didn't understand what you saw -- perhaps you were hallucinating and saw something that isn't there?  It doesn't matter, I guess. Just the fact that you didn't "get it" is, after all, part of your very predictable pattern.


The world is a strange place, but that makes it really fun to watch. -- bfaul

by EveningStarNM on 10/21/2008 02:03:30 AM EST

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go easy on ken (none / 0)
Be honest, we don't want him to go away after Jan 2009, he brings a smile to our faces so don't beat up on him too much.

Try reading between the lines too, this is all about Obama dealing with the economy, it says even the Kens of the world are  done with McCain/Palin.

See? Now you're smiling :-)

by Maverick on 10/20/2008 09:48:31 AM EST

boiling down the jibberish (none / 0)
What Ken's twisted logic and Hubble's endless rhetorical style miss is real point.  Obama is going to have a hard time in 2012, if he is even elected this year.  After the four disasterous years he will have climbing a mountain of nearly insurmountable problems piled there by this administration the public will be tired and the right wing will have plenty of ammo and new enthusiasm.  Consider that before the economic meltdown a few weeks ago, McCain was WINNING.  He was ahead by a few points.  Consider that for a minute.  After this disasterous administration, with the Bush and McCain's negatives, with the Palin pick, and this vastly unpopular war, and Obama outspending McCain by multiples of campaign dollars, and record new voter registration tilted 6/1 Obama, etc, etc, etc - still McCain was winning.  It has taken the perfect storm of situations <financial meltdown> at the perfect time <IE right before the election> for Obama to even gain the lead, and now even that is slipping.  Democrats had better get something through their thick skulls - like it or not, negative campaigning works.  This campaign is proof of that more than any campaign in history.  I hear pundits saying that the American voter has finally rejected negative campaigning and it makes me shake my head.  If Obama wins and that's the lesson that Democrats take away from this, then they are walking into an asskicking in 2012.  All that the McCain campaign has been running on is fear and mystery.  That's it.   That the race is this close now even as hardcore Republicans are walking away from McCain should send a chill down a Dem's spine.  And if Dem's dont take this as a wakeup call as to how to approach a campaign, they dont have a prayer in 2012.  Dem's right now are shooting arrows and sitting on a box full of grenades.  Reverend Muthee, McCain's medical coverup, American Independence Party, Troopergate, and on and on and on.  These arent the same illegitimate issues and the BS the Republicans are slinging.  These are facts that the Dem's dont have the stomach to hold the Repubs accountable for.  Obama may win.  I hope to God he does.  But if he does it is not because the American voter rejected negative campaigning.  It will be in spite of the fact that he didnt use it.

by Vmerc on 10/20/2008 05:21:14 PM EST

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Vmerc and his endless paragraph (none / 0)
I'll take my endless rhetorical style over an endless paragraph any day. Other may disagree.

What Vmerc has failed to grasp is Obama has not rejected negative campaigning at all. His ads are full of negatives.

The difference is that while McPalan has gone with the character assassination blue print of negative campainging Obama has gone with attack the policies and praise the person, and yes Americans have actually responded to it.

The reality is Obama has embraced and almost perfected the Ronald Reagan playbook of "There you go again".

McPalan throws out an accusation Obama counters with "There they go again, they want to talk about this because they don't want to talk about.....(fill in the talking point here).

I'm surprised no one has actually talked about what a Reagan-esque campaign he is running.

As to failing to realize the problems that Obama faces, I don't see how anyone could extrapolate my opinion in that matter from a simple post about how Republicans always scream about taxes, when history proves that they are guilty of the largest tax increase in history.

As to missing the point I wasn't aware that this thread was about the hurdles the next President will face, so perhaps you are right.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 10/20/2008 05:59:10 PM EST

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negative campaigning (none / 0)
The Obama campaign has used some negative attacks, yes.  But they do not do it effectively.  They avoid many highly effective topics that would directly trump McCain attacks, IE Muthee <Wright is a Marine, how about this foreigner?>, AIP <why is Palin antiamerican?>, Troopergate <who is Sara Palin?>.  They seem to stand up and go toe to toe with McCain and this is read as weakness.  All the doubts that dont show up in polls have been planted by Republicans.  If you want further proof that I am right...wait until the final onslaught of viscious Republican ads that will come in the final week of the campaign.  They always come.  They always work.  Democrats are always taken by surprise.

by Vmerc on 10/20/2008 07:01:03 PM EST

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Vmerc (none / 0)
You sound paranoid like the typical conservative

McCain never held a lead for very long.. I think he got a bump after the rethug convention.

Palin is dragging him down like a dead moose around his sallow neck.

Hubble had some salient points. You chose not to acknowledge them.

Who the hell cares about 2012 right now?  Im focused on the next 2 weeks like a laser beam.

Republicans portray the government as the enemy. Then when they take over, they prove it.

by Chinese Democracy on 10/21/2008 12:55:39 AM EST

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Ok Maverick (none / 0)
Ill be honest.

I want that troll to be gone yesterday. He is nauseating.

Hey did you know that the word Maverick in Italian means dog off the leash?  

Republicans portray the government as the enemy. Then when they take over, they prove it.

by Chinese Democracy on 10/20/2008 06:06:59 PM EST

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you guys fed him again! (none / 0)

by desertpear on 10/20/2008 06:38:33 PM EST

this says it all (none / 0)

I'm liking those "tax and spend" democrat's affect on the economy:

 

http://www.cedarcomm.com/~s tevelm1/usdebt.htm

 

by theloaf on 10/20/2008 07:15:39 PM EST

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