10/02/2008 06:37:50 PM EST

Twba, you had a question?

posted by MedfordTim

"I'm still not bothering to read false rumors about rape kits"

Gotta love a guy who still believes in clapping to keep Tinkerbell alive! Twba, since you are waiting for "proof" that the stories aren't rumors, let's check with the Mat-Su Valley Fronteirsman, which covers the metropolis of Wasilla.

A May 23, 2000 Frontiersman story says the city, until Knowles signed legislation banning the practice, charged victims for rape kits even though the Alaska State Troopers and some other municipal police departments did not.

Charlie Fannon was Wasilla's police chief at the time and expressed disappointment with the new law, saying it would cost the Wasilla Police Department $5,000 to $14,000 a year.

"In the past we've charged the cost of exams to the victims' insurance company when possible," Fannon says in the 2000 article. "I just don't want to see any more burden put on the taxpayer."

Fannon's comments, and his monetary figure, appear to indicate Wasilla did, in fact, charge victims for the the forensic kits before the 2000 law. How many times this may have happened is unclear.

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Twba, you had a question? | 52 comments (52 topical, 0 hidden)
Hey! Waitadarnminit! (none / 0)
Wha'd'ya mean "...still believes in clapping to keep Tinkerbell alive..."?  Boy, if anything happens to Tink because of you...!

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See City of Wasilla, Document Central, City Documents,  Recently Requested, Former Mayor Palin

Note especially "Billing of sexual assault victims for forensic exams".  This is a PDF file reporting that there were no charges for rape kit exams in 2000-2002.  The state passed a law in 2000 prohibiting such charges.  This report by Wasilla Mayor Dianne Keller is intended to mislead.

But in the article on HuffPost:

http://www.huffingtonpost.c om/jacob-alperinsheriff/sar ah-palin-instituted-ra_b_12 5833.html

Jacob Alperin-Sheriff shows that "Sarah Palin directly shifted the cost of the rape kits from the police department to the victims in her budget for fiscal year 2000".  The City of Wasilla's 1992-2000 budget documents are at

http://www.cityofwasilla.co m/index.aspx?page=136

Given that witnesses say she reviewed the city's budget line-by-line, she new what she was doing.

by EveningStarNM on 10/03/2008 01:49:15 AM EST

I like there alternative explanation (none / 0)

She signed off on it but just paid no attention to what she was doing.

She's not evil, she just doesn't bother to do her job!

Well, in that case, elect away!

by ProfRich on 10/03/2008 11:35:28 AM EST

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its to bad Twba didnt bother to (none / 0)
find out if it was more than a rumor before he typed the post.


by Chinese Democracy on 10/03/2008 02:09:24 AM EST

He and Ken have left us (none / 0)
now that their candidate is crashing and burning.

It's adorable, isn't it?

by jarett on 10/03/2008 04:00:26 AM EST

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Well... (none / 0)
Either they both left and we got a brand new troll (robokop), or one of them has a second identity...

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/03/2008 07:19:08 AM EST

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Oh, c'mon! (none / 0)

The K in robokop?  Of course, its Ken.

He is just too chickenshit to stand up to all the shit he's talked all election season so he has to hide behind a new name.

Or at least that is what EveningStar told me about Ken.

by ProfRich on 10/03/2008 11:50:07 AM EST

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This is not the confident Ken I remember (none / 0)
You, sir, are getting, dare I say it, bitter.

by jarett on 10/03/2008 04:43:07 PM EST

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The GOP will tear him to shreds? (none / 0)
With what resources?

Have you looked at Electoral-Vote.com lately?  Your party is failing.  Your ideology has failed.  McCain is running out of money -- otherwise he wouldn't have pulled out of MI.

I will be surprised if the GOP as we know it isn't just DONE for 16 years or more.

by jarett on 10/03/2008 05:11:10 PM EST

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I remember 1994 (none / 0)

I remember the "Republican Revolution" and the4 "Contract with America."  You Rethuglicans really managed to get the upper hand there, yessir.

But, Ken...  that was 14 years ago.  You keep talking about "history" repeating itself, but you only focus on ONE event which, coincidentally, happens to favor the Pubs.  Sure thing buddy.  You know soooo much more than all of us because the Rethuglicans got lucky 14 years ago...  The Rethuglicans have pissed away any sort of honor or principle or good will they created back then.  The government shutdown?  The partisan persecution of President Clinton?  The policies of George W?  The Iraqi War and the ensuing aftermath?  The economic crises (yes, that's plural as in more than one)?

Keep beating the 1994 drum, Kenny boy.  Keep dreaming that Newt or Ronald or Sarah will ride up on a white horse and save you from the evil black man that may become president.   It's not going to happen.  Bookmark this post.  Tool.

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/03/2008 06:50:33 PM EST

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Here are my predictions. (none / 0)
Thanks to Obama-Biden:

We will have universal healthcare, and everyone except the richest 2% or so of Americans will love it.

We will have some increased regulation on Wall St. for a while, and then some deregulation again to let the tiger roar again after the credit market contracts.

We will have a sensible foreign policy.  Iran will be solidly under control.  Iraq will be testing its wings as we withdraw troops.

We will experience an economic boom as consumer confidence skyrockets when Obama's tax cuts pass.

Sound okay to you?

by jarett on 10/03/2008 07:10:17 PM EST

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You don't remember 1932 (none / 0)
Cause you don't know shit about history.

by ProfRich on 10/03/2008 10:05:56 PM EST

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More FAUX News facts? (none / 0)
Seriously?  You think Palin won?  Did the FAUX News broadcast have a filter on it?  Did Biden's responses come out sounding like Klingon?  Was Biden's face superimposed with an image of Satan?

Not fucking up royally does not equal a win.  Looking at the post-debate polls, Biden won the debate by a healthy margin.  Palin managed to improve her rating from "total incompetant fucktard" to "OK, I'd let her water my plants."  She still isn't POTUS material.

On that note, I'd like to welcome you back, Ken.  I haven't been listening to Rush in the afternoon thanks to a busier than normal work schedule, so I'm glad you're here to fill in the days that I've missed.  Tell me again, how is the economy doing?  Is it fundamentally strong?  Is it trancendentally weak?  Feel free to make bold predicitons like: If the economy goes into the toilet due to horrible mismanagement of regulations by the Republican Party, then the Democrats will win.  You know, go out on a limb, like the good old days.

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/03/2008 04:50:45 PM EST

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One of my favorite posts (none / 0)
I showed my wife and she put it on her parenting board.

by ProfRich on 10/04/2008 08:41:04 AM EST

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Oh, you're back (none / 0)
How was the political orientation re-assignment surgery?  Are you operational yet?

by OneHitKill on 10/03/2008 07:48:28 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Roboken (none / 0)
Dead or alive, he's going to hell.

by OneHitKill on 10/04/2008 06:09:43 AM EST

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IOW (none / 0)
In other words, you have no proof that any rape victim in Wasilla was billed for forensic tests while Sarah Palin was mayor.

by Twba on 10/03/2008 09:34:54 AM EST

So In YOUR Mind (none / 0)
It's OK to draw as many inferences as possible about Barack Obama.  You know, stuff like him being the most liberal Senator in Washington (in a Senate that included Ted Kennedy and Bernie "I'm a SOCAILIST" Sanders).  Stuff about him hating America because he sat in a pew and listened to Revrend Wright or because he sat in a meeting with Bill Ayers.  Stuff like him hating the country because he doesn't wear a flag pin.  Stuff like Obama maybe-possibly-you-don't-kn ow-for-sure-but-you'll-say- it-anyway being a secret Muslim because he fist bumped his wife.  Sorry, "terrorist fist jabbed" his wife.  That's ALL OK, because it COULD be true.  That's fine.  You might as well have said, "pssst, don't tell anyone, but the guy is BLACK."

But to draw an inference about Palin is bad.  It's not proof.  What would you have us do, knock on the doors of all the victims of rape in the time she was mayor and remind them of that aweful moment in their lives by having them produce decade old receipts where they were forced to pay for rape kits?  Yes, that's the kind of compassionate conservatism you would want us to engage in, isn't it?

You're a tool.  And not even a good one, at that.

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/03/2008 11:51:14 AM EST

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Rape is very often not reported (none / 0)
So we would have to knock on the doors of ALL the women in Wasilia and bring some counselors along because women will rarely admit it to strangers.

by ProfRich on 10/03/2008 12:09:57 PM EST

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In your mind (none / 0)
Do you ever have an original thought?

by Twba on 10/03/2008 12:43:52 PM EST

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Do you ever have an honest answer? (none / 0)
Or do you need to listen to AM conservative talk radio before you can get back to me?

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/03/2008 12:51:21 PM EST

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I forgot he does this (none / 0)

TWBA is an off and on poster so I had totally forgot he melts down like this from time to time.

You grab the beers and I'll get the popcorn.  It should be awesome!

by ProfRich on 10/03/2008 01:18:04 PM EST

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Recap (none / 0)
There are only so many threads about "OMG! It's not Sarah Palin's child" before I just decide to piss on it.

Twba: So, was a rape victim ever billed for forensics testing while Palin was mayor?

Prick McPrickface: OMG, you evil bastard. You support a pro-rape nutjob.

Twba: You're a dishonest piece of shit.

Prick McPrickface: You win!

Twba: Fuck you.

by Twba on 10/03/2008 01:41:14 PM EST

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What ever happened to good manners? (none / 0)
That's PROFESSOR McPrickface to you, buddy.  Don't you forget it!

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/03/2008 02:09:19 PM EST

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OK (none / 0)
I'll give you an honest answer when you finally get around to asking an honest question.

by Twba on 10/03/2008 01:48:05 PM EST

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OK, here goes: (none / 0)
Governor Sarah Palin: would you do her, and if so, excluding missionary, what position would you use?*

*It's an honest question, isn't it?

Would you like me to be a little more serious?  The how about you grow a pair and accept the fact that Palin was in power when victims of rape were charged for rape kits.  I'm sure there are hundreds of mayors around the US that are in charge of cities doing things that are maybe less than reputable/honest/ethical.

Sometimes you have to do things you don't like, make the hard decisions you normally wouldn't make, wh en you take the job.  But this isn't Sarah Palin, mayor.  It's Sarah Palin, veep candidate.  And according to her in the debate last night, she has NO achilles heel and she NEVER made a decision she regretted.  So either she knowingly charged for rape kits and thinks that's OK, or she lied.  Either way, great job on your part blindly backing the crooked candidate.

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/03/2008 02:18:48 PM EST

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ridiculous answer (none / 0)

So you are saying that its fine to support charging rape kits to the victim, since in reality it didn't happen? pfft. Fact remains that it was still the official procedure in rape cases.

In essence there's only  2 ways you can look problem.

1) Either it was part of Palin's budget revisions - meaning she knew about it and supported it - which makes Palin look exceedingly unscrupulous and immoral.

2) she had no idea, and it was the City Manager (or whomever) who enacted it, which  makes her look inept.

 

by whoosh on 10/03/2008 11:57:15 AM EST

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So? (none / 0)

You are now arguing that the policy is not in and of itself evil?

Can you prove that no raped girl in Alaska could not get her rape investigated because they couldn't afford it?

Or that any raped girl did not report a rape to a city government that clearly favored rapists?

Good luck with that second one.

by ProfRich on 10/03/2008 12:03:57 PM EST

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Hey, It doesn't smell right to Twba (none / 0)

and that's good enough for

...Twba.

by richardshort2001 on 10/03/2008 12:09:01 PM EST

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and probably robokop (none / 0)

by richardshort2001 on 10/03/2008 12:09:32 PM EST

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So (none / 0)
You are now arguing that you are a dishonest piece of shit?

by Twba on 10/03/2008 12:36:08 PM EST

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Good one (none / 0)

Yeah, that is what I am arguing.

You win.

by ProfRich on 10/03/2008 12:43:45 PM EST

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Gadzooks! (none / 0)
Foiled by Twba and his impeccable logic!

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/03/2008 12:50:12 PM EST

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How to speak Twba (none / 0)
"impeccable" = lacking pecs

by OneHitKill on 10/04/2008 06:08:36 AM EST

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That's a felony pun, OneHitKill (none / 0)

And if you do it again, I'm turning you in.

by EveningStarNM on 10/04/2008 06:13:43 PM EST

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Oh, I get it! (none / 0)

If someone's insurance is billed, THEY didn't actually get charged. Is that how you're trying to spin this?

Are you Bush in disguise?

by MedfordTim on 10/03/2008 01:37:03 PM EST

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This view is understandable (none / 0)

"I'm still not bothering to read false rumors about rape kits"

Of course not.  If you show skepticism about "rumors" such as this you may be able to avoid those uncomfortable discussions about her demonstrated lack of comprehension in world and economic affairs.

by bfaul on 10/03/2008 01:46:58 PM EST

be fowl (none / 0)
None of the candidates understands economics. None.

The first part of the McCain vs. Obama bout was excruciating to watch. Neither man has any business discussing economics. Palin is no less qualified than those idiots.

by Twba on 10/03/2008 01:51:42 PM EST

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pointless (none / 0)

Another "none of them is qualified" rant. If you're waiting around for the perfect candidate they're going to have to dust the cobwebs off of your skeleton before they peel it away from your keyboard.  If you don't make a choice how can you be relevant?


by bfaul on 10/03/2008 03:59:25 PM EST

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Rushing yardage (none / 0)
If you don't make a choice how can you be relevant?

You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose free will

by Twba on 10/04/2008 01:42:37 AM EST

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I have evidence to the contrary. (none / 0)
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2 008/08/24/magazine/24Obaman omics-t.xml

Apparently he comes from a very pragmatic school of economics.

Just because you show a shadow of heterodoxy doesn't mean "you have no business discussing economics."

by jarett on 10/03/2008 04:48:53 PM EST

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Yeah (none / 0)
I watched the debate, Jarett. Obama has no business discussing economics. He is clueless, as is McCain.

by Twba on 10/04/2008 01:22:31 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Justify this ridiculous statement. (none / 0)
Oh, wait.  You can't.

by jarett on 10/05/2008 03:32:33 AM EST

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Unfortunately (none / 0)
Obama and McCain just don't know economics. As president, either man will have economic advisers. What matters is the advice the president gets. Let's hope that our next president gets good advice, because they don't know the difference between good and bad advice.

by Twba on 10/05/2008 12:58:36 PM EST

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Twba proved what an ignorant (none / 0)
dufus he is by defending Palin.

Boop! Game over

go back to your porn


by Chinese Democracy on 10/03/2008 05:57:59 PM EST

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Eyebrows way, way up (none / 0)
This schoolboy crush of yours grows tiresome, Twba.  How exactly is "well she's an idiot too, so let's vote for her ticket" constructive?  Or even logical?  You've been hanging around Bobo too long.

by OneHitKill on 10/03/2008 07:53:02 PM EST

[ Parent ]
OHK (none / 0)
Just rate my comment '1' and move along. You have nothing to add to the conversation. Go back to your video game.

by Twba on 10/04/2008 01:33:53 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Schoolboy, I said (none / 0)

Nerve located!

Are your ears getting hot?

by OneHitKill on 10/04/2008 06:07:09 AM EST

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Video game, I said (none / 0)
Move along now.

by Twba on 10/04/2008 12:03:36 PM EST

[ Parent ]
What I liked about Postal2... (none / 0)

...is that, other than the Arab terrorists, most of the bad guys are total right-wing hicks and idiots.  It's the only video game (other than Spider Solitaire) that I've played in decades, and I enjoyed it.  The last time I played it, I did it without killing anyone -- I made friends with a bunch of dogs and they killed my enemies.  It was especially fun watching them devour the rednecks and book burners.


by EveningStarNM on 10/04/2008 06:22:23 PM EST

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Cat silencer (none / 0)

I didn't like Postal 2.  Too mean-spirited.  I want Twba to make me a game recommendation.  Since he's so adamant that I go play something, it'd be nice to know exactly what he has in mind.

His opinion matters to me a lot.

by OneHitKill on 10/04/2008 08:52:50 PM EST

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Stalinist Army (none / 0)
You don't have to worry about that army of Stalinists.  Sarah Palin is keeping an eye on them from her home in Alaska.  After all, she's the only governor in America determined to keep us safe from the Commie threat.  I think John McCain will join her on patrol once he gets back from his fact-finding trip to the Iraq-Pakistan border.

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/04/2008 09:16:14 AM EST

[ Parent ]
AKIP and their extremist network (none / 0)
http://www.secessionist.us/

by sfinneganus on 10/05/2008 01:15:36 PM EST

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