10/02/2008 06:37:50 PM EST

Twba, you had a question?

posted by MedfordTim

"I'm still not bothering to read false rumors about rape kits"

Gotta love a guy who still believes in clapping to keep Tinkerbell alive! Twba, since you are waiting for "proof" that the stories aren't rumors, let's check with the Mat-Su Valley Fronteirsman, which covers the metropolis of Wasilla.

A May 23, 2000 Frontiersman story says the city, until Knowles signed legislation banning the practice, charged victims for rape kits even though the Alaska State Troopers and some other municipal police departments did not.

Charlie Fannon was Wasilla's police chief at the time and expressed disappointment with the new law, saying it would cost the Wasilla Police Department $5,000 to $14,000 a year.

"In the past we've charged the cost of exams to the victims' insurance company when possible," Fannon says in the 2000 article. "I just don't want to see any more burden put on the taxpayer."

Fannon's comments, and his monetary figure, appear to indicate Wasilla did, in fact, charge victims for the the forensic kits before the 2000 law. How many times this may have happened is unclear.

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Hey! Waitadarnminit! (none / 0)
Wha'd'ya mean "...still believes in clapping to keep Tinkerbell alive..."?  Boy, if anything happens to Tink because of you...!

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See City of Wasilla, Document Central, City Documents,  Recently Requested, Former Mayor Palin

Note especially "Billing of sexual assault victims for forensic exams".  This is a PDF file reporting that there were no charges for rape kit exams in 2000-2002.  The state passed a law in 2000 prohibiting such charges.  This report by Wasilla Mayor Dianne Keller is intended to mislead.

But in the article on HuffPost:

http://www.huffingtonpost.c om/jacob-alperinsheriff/sar ah-palin-instituted-ra_b_12 5833.html

Jacob Alperin-Sheriff shows that "Sarah Palin directly shifted the cost of the rape kits from the police department to the victims in her budget for fiscal year 2000".  The City of Wasilla's 1992-2000 budget documents are at

http://www.cityofwasilla.co m/index.aspx?page=136

Given that witnesses say she reviewed the city's budget line-by-line, she new what she was doing.

The world is a strange place, but that makes it really fun to watch. -- bfaul

by EveningStarNM on 10/03/2008 01:49:15 AM EST

I like there alternative explanation (none / 0)

She signed off on it but just paid no attention to what she was doing.

She's not evil, she just doesn't bother to do her job!

Well, in that case, elect away!

by ProfRich on 10/03/2008 11:35:28 AM EST

[ Parent ]
its to bad Twba didnt bother to (none / 0)
find out if it was more than a rumor before he typed the post.

Terrorism is a tactic, not an enemy

by Chinese Democracy on 10/03/2008 02:09:24 AM EST

He and Ken have left us (none / 0)
now that their candidate is crashing and burning.

It's adorable, isn't it?

by jarett on 10/03/2008 04:00:26 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Well... (none / 0)
Either they both left and we got a brand new troll (robokop), or one of them has a second identity...

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/03/2008 07:19:08 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Oh, c'mon! (none / 0)

The K in robokop?  Of course, its Ken.

He is just too chickenshit to stand up to all the shit he's talked all election season so he has to hide behind a new name.

Or at least that is what EveningStar told me about Ken.

by ProfRich on 10/03/2008 11:50:07 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I take a couple of days off, (none / 0)
and the forum sinks to this level? Ganging up and picking on Twba.

"He is just too chickenshit to stand up to all the shit he's talked all election season so he has to hide behind a new name."

Let me remind you that my record on making predictions is "pretty darn good", as Sarah Palin would say.

Back in February, the economy was perceived as sound, and the quarterly GDP and unemployment figures looked good. I made the prediction that if the economy still looked good in November, McCain would win. In fact, I've been making this prediction for more than a year.

The Democrat Party is like the blind, retarded hog that finally lucked out and stumbled across a fucking acorn. You got very lucky, and you might even win an election. Big deal.

Joe Biden just got his ass kicked in a debate by the pregnant lady cop from the movie "Fargo". A leading Democrat, who has been in the Senate since Sarah Palin was in kindergarden, was defeated by the Mayor of Wasilla.  

The GOP will come back in 2010, "over the top" like Cenk is fond of saying. Barack Obama, who the country is loathe to embrace, even after Bush's approval ratings are in the 20s; the country has been in a trillion dollar war for seven years; the economy is sliding into chaos and depression; Barack Obama is road kill out of the starting blocks.

You guys are dreaming of a "Les Miserables Moment", where Americas Losers finally gain power and persecute and destroy Americas Winners. I invite you to do your damndest, and overplay your hand to the extreme. Let's show America and the world who you people really are. You're a bunch of weakling, unaccomplished cowards who hide among the masses waiting to receive the bounty of the labor and accomplishments of far more worthy men.

KenTX has given up and run away? I have not even begun to fight.

by KenTX on 10/03/2008 04:37:18 PM EST

[ Parent ]
This is not the confident Ken I remember (none / 0)
You, sir, are getting, dare I say it, bitter.

by jarett on 10/03/2008 04:43:07 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I'm still confident. (none / 0)
I'm still accurate. I'm still a realist. I'm still happy. I'm still a marathoner, not a sprinter.

Look at my predictions in this thread.

I told you which party would win in November, based on simple economic numbers.

I also told you McCain would select a lady from Alaska that nobody in the GOP had ever heard of.

So let me make these predictions. If Barack Obama is elected, the GOP will tear him to shreds, and he will be another One-Term-Democrat. The 2010 Election will look like the 1994 Election, on steroids. Bookmark this post.

by KenTX on 10/03/2008 04:52:08 PM EST

[ Parent ]
The GOP will tear him to shreds? (none / 0)
With what resources?

Have you looked at Electoral-Vote.com lately?  Your party is failing.  Your ideology has failed.  McCain is running out of money -- otherwise he wouldn't have pulled out of MI.

I will be surprised if the GOP as we know it isn't just DONE for 16 years or more.

by jarett on 10/03/2008 05:11:10 PM EST

[ Parent ]
You're too young to remember 1994. (none / 0)
The Democrat Party dominated the country. They had controlled Congress for 60 years. They had the White House. And then the GOP came roaring back. Past is prelude.

by KenTX on 10/03/2008 05:21:06 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I remember 1994 (none / 0)

I remember the "Republican Revolution" and the4 "Contract with America."  You Rethuglicans really managed to get the upper hand there, yessir.

But, Ken...  that was 14 years ago.  You keep talking about "history" repeating itself, but you only focus on ONE event which, coincidentally, happens to favor the Pubs.  Sure thing buddy.  You know soooo much more than all of us because the Rethuglicans got lucky 14 years ago...  The Rethuglicans have pissed away any sort of honor or principle or good will they created back then.  The government shutdown?  The partisan persecution of President Clinton?  The policies of George W?  The Iraqi War and the ensuing aftermath?  The economic crises (yes, that's plural as in more than one)?

Keep beating the 1994 drum, Kenny boy.  Keep dreaming that Newt or Ronald or Sarah will ride up on a white horse and save you from the evil black man that may become president.   It's not going to happen.  Bookmark this post.  Tool.

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/03/2008 06:50:33 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Here are my predictions. (none / 0)
Thanks to Obama-Biden:

We will have universal healthcare, and everyone except the richest 2% or so of Americans will love it.

We will have some increased regulation on Wall St. for a while, and then some deregulation again to let the tiger roar again after the credit market contracts.

We will have a sensible foreign policy.  Iran will be solidly under control.  Iraq will be testing its wings as we withdraw troops.

We will experience an economic boom as consumer confidence skyrockets when Obama's tax cuts pass.

Sound okay to you?

by jarett on 10/03/2008 07:10:17 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Here are my predictions. (none / 0)
Thanks to Obama-Biden:
 
We will have socialized medicine, and everyone will be forced to wait in line for rationed health care. When a middle-class, middle-aged, life-long taxpayer has a much harder time getting a kidney transplant than an 18 year old illegal alien, as a result of political correctness gone wild, the natives will not be happy.

We will have an all-out cover-up of the actions of Janet Reno, Barney Fagg, Chris Dodd and Frank Raines. On 31 Jan 1995, the U.S. government started forcing banks to loan money to people with poor credit under strongarm pressure from DOJ, threat of prosecution, and penalty of law. Foreign and domestic investors will never again purchase financial instruments that are pig-in-a-poke bundles of politically correct time bomb loans.

We will have an Obama Administration New Deal Social Initiative to funnel money to financially disadvantaged individuals. The goal will be to offset the 1996 Welfare Reform Act, and the disappearance of the 1995 Clinton Community Reinvestment Easy Loans For All Poor People Act.

We will have a toothless, isolationist foreign policy.  Anything involving Billions For Africa will be fast tracked.  Russia will run wild. Iran will become a nuclear superpower. American troops will be relaxing stateside.

We will have a retroactive tax increase in 2009. A lot of people earning less than $250,000 per year are going to be mighty surprised.

We will have a very happy subset of America, representing 12% of the population. There will be a proud and vociferous reaction, kind of like the aftermath of a Detroit Pistons Championship victory. The other 88% of Americans will be dismayed and troubled.

We will have a long overdue coalescence of the rich and powerful in response to overt attack from the Democrat Party.  

Sound okay to you?

by KenTX on 10/04/2008 01:14:56 AM EST

[ Parent ]
You don't remember 1932 (none / 0)
Cause you don't know shit about history.

by ProfRich on 10/03/2008 10:05:56 PM EST

[ Parent ]
More FAUX News facts? (none / 0)
Seriously?  You think Palin won?  Did the FAUX News broadcast have a filter on it?  Did Biden's responses come out sounding like Klingon?  Was Biden's face superimposed with an image of Satan?

Not fucking up royally does not equal a win.  Looking at the post-debate polls, Biden won the debate by a healthy margin.  Palin managed to improve her rating from "total incompetant fucktard" to "OK, I'd let her water my plants."  She still isn't POTUS material.

On that note, I'd like to welcome you back, Ken.  I haven't been listening to Rush in the afternoon thanks to a busier than normal work schedule, so I'm glad you're here to fill in the days that I've missed.  Tell me again, how is the economy doing?  Is it fundamentally strong?  Is it trancendentally weak?  Feel free to make bold predicitons like: If the economy goes into the toilet due to horrible mismanagement of regulations by the Republican Party, then the Democrats will win.  You know, go out on a limb, like the good old days.

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/03/2008 04:50:45 PM EST

[ Parent ]
One of my favorite posts (none / 0)
I showed my wife and she put it on her parenting board.

by ProfRich on 10/04/2008 08:41:04 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Oh, you're back (none / 0)
How was the political orientation re-assignment surgery?  Are you operational yet?

by OneHitKill on 10/03/2008 07:48:28 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Roboken (none / 0)
Dead or alive, he's going to hell.

by OneHitKill on 10/04/2008 06:09:43 AM EST

[ Parent ]
IOW (none / 0)
In other words, you have no proof that any rape victim in Wasilla was billed for forensic tests while Sarah Palin was mayor.

by Twba on 10/03/2008 09:34:54 AM EST

So In YOUR Mind (none / 0)
It's OK to draw as many inferences as possible about Barack Obama.  You know, stuff like him being the most liberal Senator in Washington (in a Senate that included Ted Kennedy and Bernie "I'm a SOCAILIST" Sanders).  Stuff about him hating America because he sat in a pew and listened to Revrend Wright or because he sat in a meeting with Bill Ayers.  Stuff like him hating the country because he doesn't wear a flag pin.  Stuff like Obama maybe-possibly-you-don't-kn ow-for-sure-but-you'll-say- it-anyway being a secret Muslim because he fist bumped his wife.  Sorry, "terrorist fist jabbed" his wife.  That's ALL OK, because it COULD be true.  That's fine.  You might as well have said, "pssst, don't tell anyone, but the guy is BLACK."

But to draw an inference about Palin is bad.  It's not proof.  What would you have us do, knock on the doors of all the victims of rape in the time she was mayor and remind them of that aweful moment in their lives by having them produce decade old receipts where they were forced to pay for rape kits?  Yes, that's the kind of compassionate conservatism you would want us to engage in, isn't it?

You're a tool.  And not even a good one, at that.

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/03/2008 11:51:14 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Rape is very often not reported (none / 0)
So we would have to knock on the doors of ALL the women in Wasilia and bring some counselors along because women will rarely admit it to strangers.

by ProfRich on 10/03/2008 12:09:57 PM EST

[ Parent ]
In your mind (none / 0)
Do you ever have an original thought?

by Twba on 10/03/2008 12:43:52 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Do you ever have an honest answer? (none / 0)
Or do you need to listen to AM conservative talk radio before you can get back to me?

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/03/2008 12:51:21 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I forgot he does this (none / 0)

TWBA is an off and on poster so I had totally forgot he melts down like this from time to time.

You grab the beers and I'll get the popcorn.  It should be awesome!

by ProfRich on 10/03/2008 01:18:04 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Recap (none / 0)
There are only so many threads about "OMG! It's not Sarah Palin's child" before I just decide to piss on it.

Twba: So, was a rape victim ever billed for forensics testing while Palin was mayor?

Prick McPrickface: OMG, you evil bastard. You support a pro-rape nutjob.

Twba: You're a dishonest piece of shit.

Prick McPrickface: You win!

Twba: Fuck you.

by Twba on 10/03/2008 01:41:14 PM EST

[ Parent ]
What ever happened to good manners? (none / 0)
That's PROFESSOR McPrickface to you, buddy.  Don't you forget it!

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/03/2008 02:09:19 PM EST

[ Parent ]
OK (none / 0)
I'll give you an honest answer when you finally get around to asking an honest question.

by Twba on 10/03/2008 01:48:05 PM EST

[ Parent ]
OK, here goes: (none / 0)
Governor Sarah Palin: would you do her, and if so, excluding missionary, what position would you use?*

*It's an honest question, isn't it?

Would you like me to be a little more serious?  The how about you grow a pair and accept the fact that Palin was in power when victims of rape were charged for rape kits.  I'm sure there are hundreds of mayors around the US that are in charge of cities doing things that are maybe less than reputable/honest/ethical.

Sometimes you have to do things you don't like, make the hard decisions you normally wouldn't make, wh en you take the job.  But this isn't Sarah Palin, mayor.  It's Sarah Palin, veep candidate.  And according to her in the debate last night, she has NO achilles heel and she NEVER made a decision she regretted.  So either she knowingly charged for rape kits and thinks that's OK, or she lied.  Either way, great job on your part blindly backing the crooked candidate.

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/03/2008 02:18:48 PM EST

[ Parent ]
ridiculous answer (none / 0)

So you are saying that its fine to support charging rape kits to the victim, since in reality it didn't happen? pfft. Fact remains that it was still the official procedure in rape cases.

In essence there's only  2 ways you can look problem.

1) Either it was part of Palin's budget revisions - meaning she knew about it and supported it - which makes Palin look exceedingly unscrupulous and immoral.

2) she had no idea, and it was the City Manager (or whomever) who enacted it, which  makes her look inept.

 

by whoosh on 10/03/2008 11:57:15 AM EST

[ Parent ]
So? (none / 0)

You are now arguing that the policy is not in and of itself evil?

Can you prove that no raped girl in Alaska could not get her rape investigated because they couldn't afford it?

Or that any raped girl did not report a rape to a city government that clearly favored rapists?

Good luck with that second one.

by ProfRich on 10/03/2008 12:03:57 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Hey, It doesn't smell right to Twba (none / 0)

and that's good enough for

...Twba.

by richardshort2001 on 10/03/2008 12:09:01 PM EST

[ Parent ]
and probably robokop (none / 0)

by richardshort2001 on 10/03/2008 12:09:32 PM EST

[ Parent ]
So (none / 0)
You are now arguing that you are a dishonest piece of shit?

by Twba on 10/03/2008 12:36:08 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Good one (none / 0)

Yeah, that is what I am arguing.

You win.

by ProfRich on 10/03/2008 12:43:45 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Gadzooks! (none / 0)
Foiled by Twba and his impeccable logic!

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/03/2008 12:50:12 PM EST

[ Parent ]
How to speak Twba (none / 0)
"impeccable" = lacking pecs

by OneHitKill on 10/04/2008 06:08:36 AM EST

[ Parent ]
That's a felony pun, OneHitKill (none / 0)

And if you do it again, I'm turning you in.

The world is a strange place, but that makes it really fun to watch. -- bfaul

by EveningStarNM on 10/04/2008 06:13:43 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Oh, I get it! (none / 0)

If someone's insurance is billed, THEY didn't actually get charged. Is that how you're trying to spin this?

Are you Bush in disguise?

by MedfordTim on 10/03/2008 01:37:03 PM EST

[ Parent ]
This view is understandable (none / 0)

"I'm still not bothering to read false rumors about rape kits"

Of course not.  If you show skepticism about "rumors" such as this you may be able to avoid those uncomfortable discussions about her demonstrated lack of comprehension in world and economic affairs.

by bfaul on 10/03/2008 01:46:58 PM EST

be fowl (none / 0)
None of the candidates understands economics. None.

The first part of the McCain vs. Obama bout was excruciating to watch. Neither man has any business discussing economics. Palin is no less qualified than those idiots.

by Twba on 10/03/2008 01:51:42 PM EST

[ Parent ]
pointless (none / 0)

Another "none of them is qualified" rant. If you're waiting around for the perfect candidate they're going to have to dust the cobwebs off of your skeleton before they peel it away from your keyboard.  If you don't make a choice how can you be relevant?


by bfaul on 10/03/2008 03:59:25 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Rushing yardage (none / 0)
If you don't make a choice how can you be relevant?

You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose free will

by Twba on 10/04/2008 01:42:37 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I have evidence to the contrary. (none / 0)
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2 008/08/24/magazine/24Obaman omics-t.xml

Apparently he comes from a very pragmatic school of economics.

Just because you show a shadow of heterodoxy doesn't mean "you have no business discussing economics."

by jarett on 10/03/2008 04:48:53 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Yeah (none / 0)
I watched the debate, Jarett. Obama has no business discussing economics. He is clueless, as is McCain.

by Twba on 10/04/2008 01:22:31 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Justify this ridiculous statement. (none / 0)
Oh, wait.  You can't.

by jarett on 10/05/2008 03:32:33 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Unfortunately (none / 0)
Obama and McCain just don't know economics. As president, either man will have economic advisers. What matters is the advice the president gets. Let's hope that our next president gets good advice, because they don't know the difference between good and bad advice.

by Twba on 10/05/2008 12:58:36 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Twba proved what an ignorant (none / 0)
dufus he is by defending Palin.

Boop! Game over

go back to your porn

Terrorism is a tactic, not an enemy

by Chinese Democracy on 10/03/2008 05:57:59 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Eyebrows way, way up (none / 0)
This schoolboy crush of yours grows tiresome, Twba.  How exactly is "well she's an idiot too, so let's vote for her ticket" constructive?  Or even logical?  You've been hanging around Bobo too long.

by OneHitKill on 10/03/2008 07:53:02 PM EST

[ Parent ]
OHK (none / 0)
Just rate my comment '1' and move along. You have nothing to add to the conversation. Go back to your video game.

by Twba on 10/04/2008 01:33:53 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I came back to help Twba. (none / 0)
I had hoped to be his stand in, as friends do in the Arizona Territory.

But Twba really doesn't need my help. He is quite capable of handling an army of Stalinists.

by KenTX on 10/04/2008 02:26:42 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Stalinist Army (none / 0)
You don't have to worry about that army of Stalinists.  Sarah Palin is keeping an eye on them from her home in Alaska.  After all, she's the only governor in America determined to keep us safe from the Commie threat.  I think John McCain will join her on patrol once he gets back from his fact-finding trip to the Iraq-Pakistan border.

by Kang the Conqueror on 10/04/2008 09:16:14 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Schoolboy, I said (none / 0)

Nerve located!

Are your ears getting hot?

by OneHitKill on 10/04/2008 06:07:09 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Video game, I said (none / 0)
Move along now.

by Twba on 10/04/2008 12:03:36 PM EST

[ Parent ]
What I liked about Postal2... (none / 0)

...is that, other than the Arab terrorists, most of the bad guys are total right-wing hicks and idiots.  It's the only video game (other than Spider Solitaire) that I've played in decades, and I enjoyed it.  The last time I played it, I did it without killing anyone -- I made friends with a bunch of dogs and they killed my enemies.  It was especially fun watching them devour the rednecks and book burners.


The world is a strange place, but that makes it really fun to watch. -- bfaul

by EveningStarNM on 10/04/2008 06:22:23 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Cat silencer (none / 0)

I didn't like Postal 2.  Too mean-spirited.  I want Twba to make me a game recommendation.  Since he's so adamant that I go play something, it'd be nice to know exactly what he has in mind.

His opinion matters to me a lot.

by OneHitKill on 10/04/2008 08:52:50 PM EST

[ Parent ]
AKIP and their extremist network (none / 0)
http://www.secessionist.us/

by sfinneganus on 10/05/2008 01:15:36 PM EST

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