My wife and I receive racist attacks because of Obama '08 sticker

I thought I would share with all of you the horrific racist experience my wife Aleena (who is pregnant) and I had in Tennessee last month.  It has changed our lives forever.  The original post is on my blog at http://progressives.blogspo t.com

WARNING: This blog entry is graphic in nature; please read with caution!!!

Sevierville anyone?

Finally, I've made it back to the mainland of North Carolina and away from the hickville they call Pigeon Forge & Sevierville (Gatlinburg was great!), Tennessee. Our largest mistake for our vacation was that we went on Muscle Car week. I'm not sure if that was the official title of the week long redneckapalooza but it sure made for some exciting moments.

Dr. Jekyll, so nice, so sweet...

My wife and I had a great time during the day, visiting museums, shopping for baby stuff, visiting an awesome aquarium and even going through a mirror maze that we solved entirely too quickly. What a blast! The people were nice, the weather was perfect and everything was going our way! That is until day turned to night and we were stuck on a 3 mile stretch of road between Gatlinburg and Sevierville with bumper to bumper traffic filled with muscle cars, drinking WHILE driving and confederate flags as big as the trucks carrying them. A redneck's dream! An Obama supporter's nightmare.

Mr. Hyde, so rude, so scary, so ignorant...

My wife and I had gone to a nice Murder Mystery dinner show that had it's moments, but was overall a letdown when compared to The Egg & I restaurant show in Las Vegas. We had taken a shortcut there that bypassed all the traffic lights but decided to take the long way so we could see all the activity going on in Pigeon Forge on a Saturday night. That would soon turn into the mistake of the evening and could have been much worse had my wife not been driving.

The Right Lane:

As we were putting along at a nice 0.5mph pace a small truck with the exhaust pipes moved from the rear to inside the bed (to run diesel and resemble an 18 wheeler) flew past us and all of a sudden what looked like a Bojangles 32oz tea smashed against our window scaring the crap out of us. They were moving fast but we both swore it looked like a mullet-ridden man was leaning out the window and giving us the finger. We both chalked it up to the drinking WHILE driving that I mentioned earlier and kept putting along listening to music and talking about the less than stellar performance from the Murder Mystery dinner cast earlier. It was no less than five minutes later that we heard muffled yelling outside the driver's side window. We both turned and saw a couple of men yelling at us from their truck. My wife rolled down the window and believe me, we both regretted it immediately. "F*ck Obama! F*ck Obama! F*ck that Muslim n*gger!" I'm not sure if that's the exact context but it's the same words and darn close. We were both in shock and and didn't know what to say. Thankfully, the traffic moved on and so did the truck. Stunned, we just sat there for a few seconds and finally moved on, in silence. It was then that it came to me. I realized that we had become targets because I have an Obama '08 sticker on my car. Surely that wasn't it, was it? Maybe they were yelling at the people next to us? Maybe this was a one time thing coming from young punk kids who had not yet learned how to consume alcohol in appropriate quantities? I sure hoped so.

My wife and I sat in silence for the next few minutes while we went through light after light of traffic. She was scared to get in the left lane (which was obviously moving faster) because she didn't want to catch up to the hate filled confederate kids. To be honest, I didn't want her to either. I prayed that the same person would stay behind us for the entire trip home and hoped we would not be bothered again. Sadly, the worst was yet to come.

The Middle Lane, The WRONG Lane:

With my wife and I both nervous and scared we hesitated to get into the middle lane to the left of us, but could no longer see the vehicles that had been a burden to us. She moved to the middle looking in all mirrors and very clearly scared. I, myself, had become VERY aware of my surroundings and had begun to notice every single police car I could find. Unfortunately, they were far and few between. The middle lane, while moving at a steadier pace, was still slow and agonizing as our terrible experience made every second seem like an eternity. I'm positive we were both praying to ourselves and our unborn child who has still yet to learn what a nasty world we live in. Then it happened...

It happened so fast all we could do was stare in shock and fear. A truck whose entire back window had been covered with a confederate flag and proudly displaying it's 2 bumper stickers, "Sportsmen for Dole" and "Sportsmen for McCain" screeched its tires, whipped out from behind us and then back in front of us and then slammed on the brakes. A middle aged man wearing flannel and jeans jumped out of the car and ran towards us. He then stopped, grabbed his crotch and yelled at what I considered the top of his lungs, "F*CK OBAMA! F*CK OBAMA!" He went from his crotch to giving us the finger and back to his crotch again. "F*CK OBAMA! F*CK OBAMA!" Then something strange happened as we looked around for a friendly face or a police officer. Other people were rolling down their windows around us...but not to tell the obvious drunk to get back in his car. No...they were...surely not... they were cheering? CHEERING? Some of them in this brief 45 seconds actually chimed in on his chant, "F*CK OBAMA! F*CK OBAMA!" After what had to be the longest 45 seconds to a minute of our life, the man ran back to his car, got in, and sped off.

I was looking all around us now, ready to fight if I had to. Looking in all directions to make sure nobody was coming at us from another angle or from another car. I saw windows rolling back up with frightening grins and happy smiles. I even saw an old couple, who seemed as scared as we were shrug their shoulders and drive on. What were we supposed to do? Getting out of there was the best plan we could come up with. We forced our way back to the right and got off on a side street and fumbled our way back to home base, confused, hurt, scared and reeling from the worst thing that's ever happened in our lifetime.

I went to the front desk of our vacation resort after insisting to my scared wife that she would be okay in the room by herself. I asked if there was something I could do. I was told to "take the Obama sticker off my car." I asked if the police could do something. She asked if we remembered the license plate numbers. I didn't. Stupid. Very stupid of me. I wasn't even thinking about that and didn't even glance at the license plate. She said again, "If I were you I would take that Obama sticker off. People don't like him much around here." "REALLY!?!" "Ya think?" I could have smacked her right then, but knew it would make me no better than the ignorant rednecks I had already dealt with. I walked out angry, confused and feeling like I there was nothing I can do.

A Sad Conclusion:

I can never pretend to know what African Americans have gone through in the many years of rednecks like "Bojangles Billy Bob" or the "Sportsmen for McCain & Dole" tormenting their spirit, their drive and their willingness to ever trust again. I don't pretend to know what it was like. But I know something similar. I certainly got a dose of the worst medicine in my life. I will never forget this. My wife will never forget this. If I can help it, everyone I know and love will NEVER FORGET THIS.

I am still displaying my "Obama '08" bumper sticker, proudly. It is likely I will never take it off even if the "Sportsmen" get their way in November. My life has changed. My wife's life has changed. Our unborn child's life has changed. It's not good and it will never be the same again.

No matter who wins...this ignorance MUST STOP. This hatred MUST STOP. This racism and sexism MUST STOP NOW.

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And I mean "wow". 

I don't know what else to say.

by TJD on 10/24/2008 02:04:47 PM EST

for your recent misadventures - I have a few recommendations -

1. Dont go on vacation to the area of the country where they filmed "Deliverance" if you are an Obama supporter. There are plenty of nice "Liberal" places of the country to go to - I hear the Adirondacks are nice this time of year...

2. If the nice lady tells you to take the sticker off your car, DO IT!!! You can always buy another one in whatever Liberal enclave you live in (Detroit?)

3. Don't expect racism and sexism and hate to go away, especially in Eastern Tennessee - it aint gonna happen, no matter how much we want it to...

4.  Please expect more of this behavior after Obama is elected - I dont think people realize how angry his election is going to make alot of Americans. You havent seen anything, yet...

I'm sorry your vacation was ruined. I hope your next one is better!

:)

by bobo1 on 10/24/2008 02:19:51 PM EST

"4.  Please expect more of this behavior after Obama is elected - I dont think people realize how angry his election is going to make alot of Americans. You havent seen anything, yet..."

 

Is that a threat???

by DocZee on 10/24/2008 05:11:29 PM EST

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He was probably freaked out about Y2K too. 

by desertpear on 10/24/2008 05:18:53 PM EST

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Yeah, and he still believes that a cell phone can interfere with someone's pacemaker, and that a 2-liter bottle of water placed on his doorstep will magically keep stray cats away.

by OneHitKill on 10/25/2008 05:30:48 AM EST

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but he's currently making a ring of salt around his house to ward of black magic (or, to be more PC, Africanized magic).

by Spencer on 10/25/2008 05:38:48 AM EST

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Just an observation...

:)

by bobo1 on 10/24/2008 05:29:26 PM EST

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and then Palin "somehow" manages to become president. Her base is these brownshirt, knuckle-dragging, white-trash, fools that she would sure as shit place in positions of power. It would be hello facist America. Read the book called "The Handmaiden's Tale" to get a picture of America of the not too distant future under McCain/Palin.

Anyway, I am sorry for your experience. As an Afro-Am whose family comes from the south, it is programmed into our genes that you need to sometimes keep a low-profile. A lot of Caucasian folks have never experienced racism on our level and are not equipped to deal with it. As much as I hate to say it, bobo is correct, an Obama victory will bring out the crazies, that is why I fear for his safety. The thing that will put an end to this once and for all is for the good Caucasian people like yourself to stand up and say ENOUGH! We Afro-Am are already doing all that we can. Let's not let it take something hapenning to Obama for you guys to stand up and expose racial prejudice for the poison that it is. We need to have ZERO tolerance for racism of ANY kind.

by mijoh on 10/26/2008 02:20:28 PM EST

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You'd have seen that I'm from North Carolina, not Michigan.  I have never had to deal with that type of foul behavior in NC.  I even live in the redneck town of King which is north of Winston-Salem.

My poor wife still has nightmares about this incident so don't take it lightly.

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by redwingsm on 10/24/2008 02:43:45 PM EST

Everyone on this board always tells me racism is only in the South.

Weird.

by ProfRich on 10/24/2008 03:26:27 PM EST

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Then you arent in Redneck North Carolina...

I used to live outside of Gastonia - definitely not Redneck North Carolina...

I'm sorry you had a bad experience - being from North Carolina, you should have known better than to go to Eastern Tennessee on vacation, especially if you are a Obama sticker toting Liberal...
 
I would have excused it if you were from up north and didnt know any better, but being from North Carolina, you should have known better!!!

Please use a little more sense next time...

I hope you, your wife and child are well...

:)

by bobo1 on 10/24/2008 03:42:02 PM EST

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Pretty low class, bobo.

by TJD on 10/24/2008 03:44:32 PM EST

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But I am in redneck hell in King, NC.  We have many lawns with confederate flags, 3 churches proudly displaying McCain '08 on their billboards facing the road.  The Black friends I have in Winston often say things like "We can't go visit King at night, it's not safe."   While I've never personally seen an act of racism in King that would even come close to what happened to me in Tennessee, I think it's moronic to say I should have "known better than to go to Eastern Tennessee" on vacation. 

Last time I checked, this is America.  Last time I checked, I should be able to go wherever the hell I want to go without fear of being verbally attacked in moblike fashion.  Last time I checked, I shouldn't have to accept only "liberal" locations to vacation.

Before offering any more idiotic statements like that you should try considering a visit to New York or Boston.  Maybe you will get mugged and end up with a "B" on your face.   Or maybe you will just be like all the others...hiding behind your computer screen making judgements on others' behavior even while you know it's wrong.

I didn't post this to be told to "Vacation somewhere else."  I posted this to show that racism is still alive and ticking in America...even in a vacation resort town like Pigeon Forge, TN.

I didn't see a sign that said "No Liberals allowed" when I entered the town...

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by redwingsm on 10/24/2008 03:53:09 PM EST

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And welcome to Rebel Headquarters by the way.

by Spencer on 10/24/2008 03:58:05 PM EST

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I think it's moronic to say I should have "known better than to go to Eastern Tennessee" on vacation. 

redwingsm, meet bobo.  This won't be the last moronic thing you see him post here, I assure you.

by bfaul on 10/24/2008 05:09:00 PM EST

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I didn't say you weren't allowed - I said it didn't make a lot of sense for a bumper sticker toting Liberal to be flaunting it in redneck Eastern Tennessee - There is a big difference... And you are right - if I went to New York or LA with a McCain Palin bumper sticker I would fully expect to be harrassed and possibly beaten if I got out of my car - doesn't mean I'm not allowed there, it means that I have more sense to know not to expose myself to that in the first place!!! Free country or not, you should have used some common sense when picking travel destinations - Liberals going to Tennessee and openly flaunting/displaying a noticable Obama 08 sticker is like going to Tijuana with a stack of hundred dollar bills taped to your body - somebody is gonna beat your ass down or worse because you a poor choice of destination! Again, I honestly hope that your wife and child are OK, and that maybe you have learned something! :)

by bobo1 on 10/24/2008 07:10:42 PM EST

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Would indicate that  majority of Americans are voting for Obama no matter what state you go to BoboTX.

Obama is in the lead in 99 percent of the battle ground states. The last time I checked they where outside NY and LA ..

Liberal land is much bigger than you want to believe.


by Chinese Democracy on 10/24/2008 11:18:22 PM EST

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The fancy confines of the bay area, you tell me how big "Liberal" land really is - Tell it to the guy who wrote this thread - Come on over to my neighborhood... It would be more accurate to say that our country is turning into "we're tired of Bush, McCain is a creep so Obama is our only other choice" - America is not becoming more Liberal (except for the Federal Budget) - its just tired of Bush - this situation will correct itself as it has always done in the past... :)

by bobo1 on 10/25/2008 12:18:56 AM EST

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I can read poll numbers..


by Chinese Democracy on 10/25/2008 12:23:11 AM EST

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People are tired of Bush. That doesn't mean they have all gone Barney Frank on us... Now when the poll asks "Would you like your personal and business taxes to go up and for government to give lots of money and programs to people who don't produce in soceity?" You'll see how Liberal America has really become... Let me know what you find out... :)

by bobo1 on 10/25/2008 12:36:41 AM EST

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Just like bobo was right about the coming race war brought on by the McCain lady being marked with a B*.  Oh, wait...

But you know, there's always that guy in the room who wants to subtly (and not so subtly) let everyone know how tough he is by telling his fight stories and whatnot, but everyone around him knows that secretly he's a scared little boy inside, and probably the person most likely to wet themselves during an actual fight.  Yeah, Ken is that guy.

 

*- And, obviously, put it in the oven for baby and me.

by Spencer on 10/25/2008 05:06:10 AM EST

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I thought I smelled ammonia.

by OneHitKill on 10/25/2008 05:32:38 AM EST

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Mary the elephant was killed by hanging there.  This account of her death includes the following side note:

There is a final irony clinging to the story of Murderous Mary, one that firmly places Mary's murder in a time and place. In an article published in the March 1971 issue of the Tennessee Folklore Society Bulletin, author Thomas Burton reports that some local residents recall "two Negro keepers" being hung alongside Mary, and that others remember Mary's corpse being burned on a pile of crossties. "This belief," Burton writes, "may stem from a fusion of the hanging with another incident that occurred in Erwin, the burning on a pile of crossties of a Negro who allegedly abducted a white girl."

The murder of an elephant: a spectacle. The murder of "a Negro": another spectacle.

It was 1916.

by desertpear on 10/25/2008 12:59:45 PM EST

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Sounds like they might have done that if they saw you carrying a dictionary too, you elitist!

by desertpear on 10/26/2008 04:08:04 AM EST

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That's it bobo.  He should just know that he can't go to certain parts of the country, because Republicans refuse to get along with people that disagree with them.  How retarded is that position?  Answer: very mostestly retarded.

by Spencer on 10/24/2008 03:56:36 PM EST

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bobo, my point was to drive up there and notice yourself NOT getting harrassed.  I don't even get harrassed in my redneck area of the woods.

I'd happily invite you in for a beer, despite your McCain/Palin sticker.

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by redwingsm on 10/26/2008 05:22:27 PM EST

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into your face?

http://blogs.usatoday.com/o ndeadline/2008/10/reports-m ccain.html

by NikoliV on 10/24/2008 03:01:46 PM EST

do us all a favor and pretend like they did, then go call Drudge.

by Spencer on 10/24/2008 03:05:32 PM EST

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I really feel for you and your family. That seems horrifying, but I'm glad you guys weren't hurt worse. I've received enough dirty looks here in liberal Oregon (though I am in the southern part of the state)and have had plenty of people yelling Obama's a Muslim and fuck that N*gger. It's crazy how e-mail lies have convinced rural voters Obama is a Muslim and connected to terrorists. I'm actually writing a paper on it right now. Best luck to you and your family, and good for you for not taking your sticker off!

by diglass on 10/24/2008 04:17:03 PM EST

all the support everyone.  I can't wait to show this to my wife.  She will be happy i'm getting the word out to stop the madness of polarization.

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by redwingsm on 10/24/2008 05:17:27 PM EST

I truly believe that once Obama is elected (jinx!), there will be some healing of racial differences in this country, if only because life will go on and Obama will not immediately change the country to a Muslim Socialist Theocracy. 

If you want to hear about morons....I had two guys with a military sticker pass me (I have Obama stickers) and yell "BUSH '08!" at me.  This was early in the election season, so I guess they forgot that McCain was their candidate.  lol.

Several years ago I had a bumpersticker that said in bold letters "BUSH IS A LIAR,"  but I took it off after a particularly nasty bunch of boys harassed me on the road.  I didn't want to provoke that type of anger since I am usually driving alone and sometimes in some very conservative areas.

by desertpear on 10/24/2008 05:25:57 PM EST

never have taken that off your car.  Giving up your freedom is not very American.   :)

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by redwingsm on 10/28/2008 02:38:10 PM EST

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I first want to say that I hope you and your wife will get over this and that your wife will stop having nightmares over it. Next, Bobo is an ass. For you to blame the victim of such hatred that has obviously been fostered by McCain and Palin at every turn is disgusting and sick. For the poster that mentioned that sick woman who made up a story that she was attacked by a black man who carved a backwards B into her face, you are also a bit touched in the mental arena.

What this incident proves is that no matter how much we would like to think that racisim and prejudice is no longer a major factor in our nation, it is just not the case. Instead of white only water fountains and lunch counters, we have white only areas of the country? We now have to cherry pick the places we go on vacation so as not to rile the ignorant and uneducated is beyond sad and into the realm of embarassing. How is it that the richest and supposedly largest melting pot of the world is nothing like what we want to project to the world? All during this presidential campaign, the republican party has done it;s best to stoke the fires of race division and hate that we now have crap like this incident and the mentally ill woman who claims a hate induced attack on her just because of her McCain bumper sticker. These same people who will find that the republican party will leave them financially worse off then ever before, yet vote against their own interest because they are motivated by fear and hate preached by McCain & Palin. When will the common man learn that they can not vote according to their bible and expect things to get better? Wedge issues like Abortion, Gay Marriage and other religious based factors are not how we should be choosing a leader of this country. Not when we face the greates challanges in history. Not when the country is on the edge of falling apart and heading to a new revolution. All during this stack market crash and economic free fall, the locals in my rural part of GA have been stocking up on rifles and ammo. It is getting hard to find shells for the most common of shotguns and rifles. This is an indicator of things to come. We need to get off this track and find a way to rebuild this nation once again before it is too late.

by Mystic24 on 10/24/2008 05:31:09 PM EST

I really hope that people don't hear of the hoax story of the woman with a mccain sticker getting assaulted and decide to seek revenge.

I hope that assaults on people with obama stickers based on that false story doesn't occur.

And I reaaallly hope that people aren't carved up with M's either for supporting Obama in some kind of insane retaliation.

Oh my god that would be sick.

by DocZee on 10/24/2008 06:00:00 PM EST

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All these fools jackin' his swagger.

But seriously, for Halloween, I'm going to put a backwards B in my face and some black eye makeup.  I encourage you all to join me.

by Spencer on 10/25/2008 12:06:51 AM EST

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Of course I mean Solidarity, New Hampshire.

by Spencer on 10/25/2008 03:58:30 AM EST

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Mystic, that is truly disheartening.   I am an extreme anti-war personality and do not like hearing that the first thing people do when they get scared is go buy guns and ammo. 

I assume these are the people that when Obama said, rightfully so, "they cling to their guns and religion."  I believe he made a very valid point that just happened to be made in too "matter of fact" fashion.

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by redwingsm on 10/26/2008 05:47:29 PM EST

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Seriously. I'd write to Dolly Parton right away and let her know what happened to you in her home community and that you and your pregnant wife are thinking about talking with reporters at the local and national level about being terrorized near Pigeon Forge. I'd bet she's be outraged enough to raise some hell about it.

She holds a lot of weight in that part of the world and I think she'd speak out publicly against such behavior, first of all because like all of us who live in southern Appalachia, she knows that the crazies out there don't represent the majority of folks in eastern TN who are not the dangerous violent rednecks that others around the nation might assume us to be. And secondly, she might do it to avoid the bad publicity that could damage her theme park.

by Verified1 on 10/25/2008 11:52:35 AM EST

I would but my wife has insisted I drop the whole thing.  She doesn't want to think about it anymore.  I think she's finally back to normal emotionally and I want to keep her that way.

At least until after the baby is born (March 21st is due date!).

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by redwingsm on 10/26/2008 05:41:37 PM EST

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RedWing, I know this will not be much solace for you but I am going to do it anyway. I live in East Tennessee about 2 hours from where these freaks accosted you.  I am a white man and have an Obama sticker on one of my vehicles.  It is on my pickup. I placed it on that vehicle just for the reason you so vividly expressed above. I have had the finger numerous times since Obama won the primaries. 

Please allow me to apologize as an East Tennesseean for the actions of the mindless, bigoted, cocksuckers that did this to you.  East TN is one of the most deep rooted re  THUG lican areas in the entire country.  The re thugs here were bigots before the rethuglican party became the bastion for bigots and haters in this country in the mid 60's when LBJ signed the civil rights bills into law.  At that time the south was mostly "dixiecrats".&nbs p; That is, they were rethuglicans in democrat clothing.  Even LBJ stated he thought he had just turned the south over to the re thug lican party and he was right.  Now the south is mostly rep thug lican.

Green county TN is close to where you were and is a hard core re thug lican bigot stronghold.  The family tree's for the most part up there go straight up. I say this only partially in jest.  I have lived here for my entire life and know of families where 1st cousins married 1st cousins, or impregnated them. 

The really hard core rednecks around here don't take the time to vote.  They are too busy in the taverns, fighting with each other or cooking crank to vote.  I get some satisfaction out of this too.  The rednecks like the ones you encountered probably won't vote.  You see, at the poles we don't have voting machines that show the photo of each candidate on the ballot and most of these low life ingornant fools read at the ....... well if they can read... at the K thru 1st grade level. 

I have lived amoung these people so I know how they are.  Don't get me wrong, there are good people here to. Some of which are true republican's vs re thug licans and will not stoop the the neadrathal level of people you were confronted by. I was jumped many times by these haters back when I had my hair shoulder length and wore an ear ring.  I was a "goddamn hippie".  At least thats what most of them would yell when they jumped me. Maybe you will get some satisfaction out of this.  On one of those occasions this redneck jumped me in a bathroom at the "Inner-circle Lounge".  We use to call it the "circle jerk lounge." Long story short, I managed to place the MOFO's head in one of the comodes during the comotion until his brother came up from behind and tried to pull me off of him. I have a bald spot on the back of my head to this day where he pulled my hair so hard that scalp and all came out.  This was 33 yrs ago.  The owner came in about that time and thru them out.

I have another story to tell about an experience in "those parts" that will have to wait. Maybe I will do it on my blog. 

Anyway, my TURK brother, I am glad you and your wife made it thru without being physically harmed.   

PEACE OUT

Psyche 

by psyche2 on 10/26/2008 12:32:07 PM EST

I am very upset about what those folks endured near Sevierville as well. I have to say, though, I totally loved your bathroom story, psyche. Still laughing. Why do people live in other parts of the country when there is so much fun to be had around here? I know I wouldn't have considered it fun to be threatened especially during pregnancy, don't get me wrong. But the vision of you in the bathroom with that guy is hilarious. Sounds like a scene from "Roadhouse."

by Verified1 on 10/26/2008 04:19:08 PM EST

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There is no need to apologize for that part of the country.   I have no idea how far people come to that week-long muscle car event.   These people could have been from many different areas of the country. 

I sure hope what you say is correct, though.  Let's hope these types stay home instead of voting.

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by redwingsm on 10/26/2008 05:55:59 PM EST

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