The Redneck Vote

Post by Grey Fedora, author at the Progressive Movement: http://progressives.blogspo t.com

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I've been meaning to post ever since redwing's story last month of his misadventures in rural America. The last straw was seeing Sarah Palin’s patronizing performance at the debate a few weeks ago.

The past few weeks, I have been writing the great treatise on Redneck America, and how to win them over to the progressive side; establishing my redneck roots (farmers on my mother’s side, my dad’s family were railroad men, my generation was the first to attend college), explaining the role of religion, etc. I just deleted the entire manuscript. While it wasn’t a Damascus Road experience, I came to the conclusion what I was writing was bullshit. Maybe

There is a predominant theme in redneck culture, that is of the average guy who outsmarts the educated egghead; from the Simpleton who gets the princess in fairy tales, to the inmate at the mental asylum who suggests letting the air out of the truck’s tires so it fits under the bridge, we delight in the belief that we know more than the “elites” who run the world. The guy on the assembly line knows more than the manager, the grunts on the front line are better strategists than the generals, the lieutenant is a complete idiot, and those city folks in suits and ties know nothing. And we love to see them get their comeuppance. This also has its roots in Scripture: The Apostle Paul wrote:

For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;

First Corinthians 1:26-27)

This often manifests itself as a fierce pride in anti-intellectualism, and any pastime, habit, or taste that smacks of the upper crust. Real men don’t eat quiche.

Jeff Foxworthy describes redneck as “a glorious lack of sophistication.” Playing to the rubes is a time honored tradition in American politics, at least since Andrew Jackson, continued through the “log cabin and hard cider” campaign of Benjamin Harrison, perfected in Ronald Reagan, reaching its apex with George Bush, the scion of a wealthy New England family who could play the part of a plain-speaking country bumpkin. I’m hoping this has run its course in Sarah Palin. As in most endeavors, a woman has to be twice as good as a man to be accepted as qualified, and her “doggone it’s” and “you betchas” sound phony and ham handed.

This ruse also has the added benefit of causing your opponents to underestimate your candidate. I’m never sure how much of George Bush’s bumbling, ineptitude is phony, or is he really that dumb? All this leaves liberals scratching their heads, wondering how can these people be so stupid. The right has learned to mask their contempt for the redneck, and how to manipulate him. To paraphrase Mad Eye Mooney's advice to Harry Potter in The Goblet of Fire: Just because George Bush’s head may be filled with sawdust; Dick Cheney’s and Karl Rove’s are not.

The good news for liberals is this can not be sustained over the long run. As the economic and social policies of the radical right are enacted, it is the little people who suffer. There will always be some who don’t get it, and vote their xenophobia, but already the tide is turning away from the conservative agenda. Former reliably “red” states are now in play, the Democrats have made inroads into rural America, the small business community, and dare I say it…. the church.

The dirty secret is most people support the progressive agenda. Rednecks are starting to realize they have been played for chumps by the Republicans. We can win them back, if we don’t talk down to them. Perhaps we could start by channeling Will Rogers?
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Will Redneck's make the difference this election?
Yeeeeehaw!! 0%
Squeal Like a Pig, Sarah! 33%
I reckon... 22%
Yeeup 0%
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Take a cue from the author of your article and start by not talking down to rednecks. I enjoyed and agreed with the article right up until the point where I reached your poll question - it amazes me how condescending and rude the typical Liberal is, and it further amazes me when they cannot understand why rednecks absolutely hate them... I might vote against my economic interests and the Republicans have been ass ramming me for years, but I'll be God Damned if I allow a bunch of girly man egghead academics who couldn't find the trigger of a gun let alone be able to shoot it to take mine away from me - Liberals need to learn how to relate to "real" Americans - the problem is, Liberals still haven't figured out (or accepted) who those people REALLY are... :)

by bobo1 on 10/26/2008 07:34:55 PM EST


Who are the "real" Americans?

And who are the "fake" Americans?

by evaangellus on 10/26/2008 07:41:36 PM EST

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but the two are related.

by evaangellus on 10/26/2008 07:42:35 PM EST

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I guess my feeble attempt at humor disheartened you.  Considering you idiotic reaction to my wife and I's horrific experience with "rednecks" in Tennessee...I would think your humor ran a bit farther than apparently it does.

I believe the cliche', "You can dish it out, but can't take it" comes to mind.

Have fun continuing your hate filled thoughts in the fantasy McCain land you live in...meanwhile, back on Earth, I will just sit and smile quietly to myself.

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by redwingsm on 10/26/2008 08:47:37 PM EST

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that it wasnt funny - I was just pointing out your condescending view of people who you obviously find beneath your status...

There is a divide in this country, and the election of Obama is just going to make it wider, and we as a nation are not going to unite until both sides realize their faults and deal with them, not just the "rednecks".

As for my response to your last thread, I was simply offering some advice - if you dont put yourself into a bad situation on purpose, you usually wont get bad results - it doesnt take a whole lot of brain cells to figure that out...

Well, maybe for some...

:)

by bobo1 on 10/26/2008 08:53:19 PM EST

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So now you've put thoughts into my head proclaiming redneck's are people I "obviously find beneath your status."  


While I've read many of your comments ad nausium, I think you should take the sly tactic of putting words in other people's mouths out of the playbook. 


You see...because I'm a progressive liberal, I am tolerant of others, believe in equal rights and feel that nobody on the planet has a status that is above or "beneath" me.


Last I checked, many people enjoy considering themselves rednecks.  Considering I used to be one (long hair/mullet, cowboy boots, country accent and all), live in King,NC (1/2 rednecks - 1/2 yuppies) and have quite a few friends who still proclaim their redneck heritage proudly (some through cars on blocks, some through accent, some through trailor parks) I don't think you should see fit to think you know my thought process. 

And lumping all liberals into a group does yourself no better than what you say I'm doing.  Keep thy tongue inside thy mouth, lest the republican demons scorn thee forever.

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by redwingsm on 10/26/2008 09:04:27 PM EST

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You see...because I'm a progressive liberal, I am tolerant of others, believe in equal rights and feel that nobody on the planet has a status that is above or "beneath" me.

Except for people who vote republican, right? except for those rednecks in eastern tennessee who "assaulted" you and your pregnant wife, right? Yeah, you sounded real tolerant of them in your previous post...

Dont give me your holier than thou "I have Redneck friends" schtick, either. Its very transparent and not very convincing.

Its fine that you're a Liberal - God Bless America that we can be what we want where we want - but dont pull this "because Im a Liberal Im tolerant" Bullshit - Liberals are just as mean spirited and intolerant as many Conservatives - both think way too highly of themselves and their leanings. Just peruse this blog and others for evidence of that...

And remember, stay out of eastern Tennessee - they dont like Liberals there, in case you didnt learn the first time...

:)

by bobo1 on 10/26/2008 09:11:49 PM EST

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just when did I give an example of your "Everyone but republicans, right?" scenario? 

Once again using your same old playbook.  No matter how much you try, you can't put words or thoughts into my mouth.  And the old "if I say it enough, it becomes true" theory isn't gonna work either.

Consider yourself beat.  That same story I posted powerline and it was DELETED.  I have yet to censor any comment from any person on my blog (http://progressives.blogspo t.com).  And I have yet to see any comment here censored either.

You can fish for higher ground all you want bobo... but we are all on the same level.  Equal and disagreeing.  It's nothing more than that.  If you think that I am somehow going to be "tolerant" of those rednecks that verbally assaulted my pregnant wife and I, you are sadly mistaken.   However, that has nothing to do with being tolerant of someone on a blog or a person under NORMAL circumstances.

You, as all conservatives this time around, are fighting a losing battle.  I know it upsets you that America is finally waking up to progressive politics...but keep your chin up...Obama will have you convinced by year 3.

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by redwingsm on 10/26/2008 09:53:26 PM EST

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that was you...for some reason, right wingers call us hippies, but when we come out and make fun of people you're like,"what happened to your hippie loving liberal shit"?  I hate hippies bobo...

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 10/26/2008 09:56:32 PM EST

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i hate GRANOLA hippies...i just can't stand real hippies, i don't actually hate them because they actually stand for what they believe in, and i can't hate them for that...just like i don't hate republicans for being republican...i actually respect republicans who can stand by their ideals, but that's pretty hard to do these days...thus it's hard to find a respectable republican

chris

by chrisandyasemin on 10/26/2008 09:59:07 PM EST

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Hippies and Liberals were mutually exclusive - One in the same, really... :)

by bobo1 on 10/26/2008 10:09:32 PM EST

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Unlike you, I have a job that I must prepare for - teaching the good schoolchildren of Arizona how to be good little rednecks and illegals so I can't respond in what you consider a timely manner... As to your point, well, you really didn't have one worth repeating, so I'll go and get my lessons ready... Have a nice evening... Try not to wander into the "redneck" part of your town, lest you actually encounter "real" people! :)

by bobo1 on 10/26/2008 10:32:49 PM EST

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Two years ago, a list of the nation's brainiest cities was put together from Census Bureau reports -- that is, cities with the highest percentage of college graduates, which is not the same as smart, of course.

...It would be easy to say these places are not the real America, in the peculiar us-and-them parlance of Sarah Palin. It's easy to say because Republicans have been insinuating for years now that some of the brightest, most productive communities in the United States are fake American -- a tactic that dates to Newt Gingrich's reign in the capitol.

Brainy cities have low divorce rates, low crime, high job creation, ethnic diversity and creative capitalism. They're places like Pittsburgh, with its top-notch universities; Albuquerque, with its surging Latino middle class; and Denver, with its outdoor-loving young people. They grow good people in the smart cities.

But in the politically suicidal greenhouse that Republicans have constructed for themselves, these cities are not welcome. They are disparaged as nests of latte-sipping weenies, alt-lifestyle types and "other" Americans, somehow inauthentic.

If that's what Republicans want, they are doomed to be the party of yesterday.

Not only are we becoming more urban as a nation, but we're headed for an ethnic muddle that could further shrink the party of small-mindedness. By 2023, more than half of all American children will be minority, the Census Bureau projects.

by desertpear on 10/26/2008 08:15:26 PM EST


This is a really good post.  I enjoyed it.  As an east-coast elitist snob, I'd like to add my thoughts.

That's how I grew up - on the east coast, in a yuppie town near Boston, going to one of the best public school systems around.  I went to a hippie private college in Colorado (Naropa University in Boulder, CO) and got an English degree, so I'm pretty much steeped in arugula, yoga, and lattes.  It's terrible, I know.  By Sarah Palin's standards, I'm no real American.  I don't drink, I don't know how to shoot a gun, nor am I that interested in learning how.  I could care less about sports, and as a man I find most macho displays of masculinity childish and idiotic.  In general: there are always exceptions.  I like wearing nice clothes when I'm not in paint-stained jeans and a t-shirt, and I like talking about ideas rationally.  So I'm sophisticated, right?  Sensitive to ugliness.  I like a sense of civilization and good taste.

I have a job at a paint store here in Boulder, staffed by redneck-esque people from closer to Denver or Longmont or even Colorado Springs, and it's been interesting, to say the least.  A bit of culture shock.  They think I'm a pussy cause I don't want to go with them to the strip club and think I'm weird for not caring that the Broncos beat the Pats or whatever.  I couldn't help myself once and said "that's gross" when one of my co-workers drooled/spat into the trash can like a cow, and didn't hear the end of it for weeks.

"did you hear him?  'oooh that's grooooss' like a little bitch."

What's my point?  I think of myself as a generally respectful person.  I treat my co-workers like human beings and take my perception of their feelings into account.  I don't actively try to put them down.  If I feel like shit or I'm tired or whatever, than I guess I'm a bit of a dick, but that's normal.  I don't apologize for myself unless I've really offended someone, and rednecks generally aren't offended easily.  Or if they are, they forget it and move on.  I kind of admire that about my co-workers - I can stew for weeks and I think it's unhealthy.  I'm myself around them - I won't back down on how I naturally react, even if I get harassed for it.  It's who I am, at least on the surface.  I take my job seriously, and don't act as though mixing and delivering paint is beneath me, even though it is a blue-collar job and I do have a genteel persona.  I work hard - harder than anyone else, really.  I sweat.  I make conversation even when I'm not that interested, and definitely when I'm a little interested.  I try not to act like I'm above talking and joking around, because ultimately, as a human being, I'm not.

Fundamentally, I enjoy the company of other human beings more than I enjoy feeling superior to them.  Even if I think the other human beings are dumb, rednecks, racists (cause they are, listen to what they say about "rag-heads"), or otherwise not like me.  Loneliness and isolation suck.  Joking around, even on a superficial level, if that's the only connection possible, feels much better.  And in the end, that's how most people form deeper connections - we joke around and spend enough time around each other that it feels natural.  I don't care about changing my co-workers' minds, but I feel that if I admire and learn certain things from them, maybe there'll be a reciprocal relationship and they'll take things from me.  Like not exuding gobs of saliva and mucus at random intervals during the day.  Heh, sorry if I offend anyone who spits.  It's just a thing I have.

I believe that unconsciously-held stereotypes held by some cultural groups about other cultural groups prevents a lot of real communication.  Most people have a lot of pride in their sense of who they are.  It's like bobo1 said, he'd rather get fucked in the ass by Republican economic policy than be told he can't own a gun by a lily-fingered pussy-man from NYC who couldn't even clean a gun, let alone use it, who thinks he's a neanderthal.  I think it's terrible when children kill each other with their parents' guns, and I think it's a little weird when people have military arsenals in their farmhouses or sheds, but I also believe in the Constitutional right to bear arms.  However, I don't have the requisite legal or practical knowledge to hold a position on gun ownership and would readily acknowledge that if pressed.

Likewise, if an Evangelical Ch ristian told me that I was going to Hell because Jesus wasn't my personal lord and savior, I'd be tempted to tell him to go fuck himself and wipe up with Luke.  There's a certain amount of pride when someone implies that who you are is inferior.

But at the same time, the liberal PC mentality is a joke - it prescribes an insincere approach to dealing with people who aren't like oneself, effectively saying, "the culture I come from doesn't matter, the culture you come from doesn't matter, let's just talk about the things that won't offend either of us."  I think a simple mentality of respect, and being comfortable enough with who I am, is all I need to be able to communicate with people who don't share my values.  I'm not afraid of being mocked for who I am.  It sucks to be laughed at, of course, but pretending you're someone you're not, through a PC mentality or whatever, sucks even more.  If no one respects you, it's like you don't exist in the world.  One thing I've learned: ultimately people respect you more if you can deal with them giving you shit for who you are without backing down.  If people respect you, they're more willing to listen to what you have to say.

That's the ultimate meaning of "We can win them back, if we don't talk down to them."  If you're trying to be someone you aren't, through being blatantly superior and a dick, through affected PC nonsense, or even by putting on a false, affected "redneck" lingo, you're talking down to others.  I think Sarah Palin is and George W. Bush was guilty of this last one, and I hope the rednecks of America come to realize they've been talked down to and insulted in the worst possible way - by people presuming to be "one of them."  Though, to be fair, I think Sarah Palin really is the sort of redneck "real American" she says she is, in part.  She's played it up more than is natural, and that's offensive, but it's not so bad with her.  Dubya though, he's all lie.

As far as spreading my politics goes, it's not an easy road, I'll give you that.  I can't just go into work and blather on about how Obama's policies are so great and McCain's campaign strategies have been terrible and yadda yadda.  It's like going up to a random man in China and speaking English in his face.  Doesn't work, is disrespectful.  The fact of the matter is, I wouldn't be spending time with these people if I weren't getting paid to do so, and I'm not getting paid to talk politics.  But if the topic somehow comes up, you can bet I'll express my view. 

However, for paid (or volunteering) members of a political team, I think the sense of being comfortable in your own skin is the most valuable gift you can bring to your attempts to change minds.  It won't work for everyone, you've got to understand, but at least the redneck you failed to convince will watch you leave thinking, "at least that one was honest."

by marlonm on 10/26/2008 11:47:45 PM EST


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