Gay Marriage: The Debate We Should Not Have

The universal civil unions approach is a better and faster path to equality that advocating for gay marriage.

There is a narrative embraced by all my ‘progressive’ friends and most of the true conservatives about the passage of Propositions 8 and 102 in California and Arizona and Amendment 2 in Florida. The story is that these anti-gay marriage measures were expressions of pure bigotry, that exact analogies exit with historical attempts to ban interracial marriage, and that any concerns that proponents of these measures expressed about protecting “the sanctity of marriage” were pure manure.

Elements of this narrative include the notion that redefining “marriage” the way the California supreme court did was not a threat to anyone’s religious beliefs and that the churches had no business campaigning for these measures. A nasty subtext is that the black community has a high proportion of gay bashers and the importance of the churches in the black community explains nothing about why support for these measures was disproportionately strong there.

This is a bleak account and we are fortunate that it doesn’t stand up to close examination.

Various states and countries around the world have passed civil union legislation granting gay couples the same rights as straight couples. California’s own domestic partnership law has evolved over time to the point where it effectively recognizes civil unions. This progress has come over the resistance of the gay bashers who significantly characterize civil unions as gay marriage by another name. But there is also a significant number of people who are comfortable with civil unions but oppose gay marriage.

It just doesn’t make sense to accuse people who support civil unions of wanting to discriminate against gays. The whole point of civil unions is that they grant their participants exactly the same rights as marriage. It is more reasonable to take people who are willing to accept civil unions but reject gay marriage at their word. What bothers them is a court ruling that defines marriage in a way inconsistent with their understanding of marriage as a sacrament. We don’t have to share that understanding to acknowledge that heterosexuals have the same right to believe that they have a special relationship with the Divine as Jews, Hopis or Wiccans.

The gay community and their supporters have sometimes rejected civil unions as “gay apartheid”, arguing that it analogous to the “separate but equal” treatment of blacks under Jim Crow. It’s a legitimate issue but legalizing gay marriage is the wrong remedy. The right approach is for the states to adopt civil union laws for everybody. Such laws could regulate those aspects of kinship such as survivorship, insurance benefits, child support and hospital visits that are a legitimate concern of the government and leave the sacred aspect of marriage alone.

The only objection to the concept of uniform civil unions that I could find with a brief search comes from Evan Wolfson who asks, “Why do we suddenly have to throw out the entire system, invent some whole new thing, just because gay people want to get married?” Alan Dershowitz provided one answer was by pointing out that the whole concept of the government being involved in marriage is a violation of the separation of church and state and a throwback to the time when kings were high priests. In moving to universal civil unions we can address the issues not only of gays but also of plural marriages and doubtless other issues that will arise in the future. Having the law define marriage makes no more sense than having it define baptism or specify funeral practices.

Jennifer Morse gave another part of the answer when she asserted that the conflation of marriage with the contractual aspects of civil union is itself a threat to marriage that that “has undermined more heterosexual marriages than anything, with the possible exception of adultery.” Marriage can’t be both sacred and secular. It’s ironic that in supporting Prop 8 the Catholic Church undermined the status of its own nuns who consider themselves married to Jesus.

The final and perhaps the most urgent answer to Wolfson’s question is simply that it is a faster path to equality.

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Civil unions done by the gov for gay and straight taking care of the legal stuff. Marriage done or not done in a church if the couple so chooses. The marriage part would have no legal standing whatsoever.

Thats what I want to happen.

Republicans portray the government as the enemy. Then when they take over, they prove it.

by Chinese Democracy on 11/10/2008 03:35:54 PM EST

What I am about to do - I am going to AGREE WITH TINY on his point - Marraige and Civil Unions should be seperated in the eyes of the law, because essentially a marraige today is a civil union in LEGAL terms. - The choice of being blessed or having a sacrament/ceremony is that of the couple and should not have any legal bearing - The government needs to get out of the marraige business and into the civil Union/Contract of agreement business... I can't believe we actually agree, Tiny - maybe there is hope in the world... :)

by bobo1 on 11/10/2008 07:00:38 PM EST

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I agree with bobo and CD.

Someone check hell's thermometer.

"The eyelid is a joke"

by richardshort2001 on 11/11/2008 12:32:42 AM EST

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The state already does not sanction all "marriages".  ; It would make sense to decouple the term and create only civil union contracts.  Such a contract would have to accompany any marriage ceremony to have any legal standing.  Let the term "marriage" be defined by the ceremony, religious or otherwise.

I don't know if it is necessarily a bad thing to make such a contract a slightly more involved legal process.  Too many people go into marriages without any real understanding of the legal ramifications of their actions.

by bfaul on 11/11/2008 07:57:51 PM EST

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on homosexuality is going on right here, right now at TYT.

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I know not everyone has changed their homepage settings so they can't see more than 10 threads at a time, and I figured this was on-topic with your topic.

by ihavenobias on 11/10/2008 01:48:33 PM EST

Civil Unions are not equal to marriage in law or spirit.  They are the equivalent of "separate but equal" laws.  Gay couples in civil unions must fill out tons of paperwork and often get legal assistance to ensure that their rights will be upheld on a level automatically granted to married couples.  A great example is visiting one's spouse at the hospital.  A married spouse has no trouble getting back to see his/her spouse.  A couple in a civil union must show documentation of their relationship.  That is bogus.  Fighting for marriage equality now, while it is fresh in people's minds, is important and necessary.  I support the struggle for equal marriage rights for gay and straight couples. 

by yul2las on 11/10/2008 03:53:43 PM EST

"Civil Unions are not equal to marriage in law or spirit."

That's the point of making civil unions universal. If marriage has no basis in the law then people will be  treated universally.

"A married spouse has no trouble getting back to see his/her spouse.  A couple in a civil union must show documentation of their relationship."

How does that work? If I am lying in a hospital bed are they going to let any random woman visit just because she might happen to be my wife but screen all men? How would they know the guy wasn't my brother? The only times I  have been in a hospital either as patient or visitor they actually just let anyone visit.

In any case, if civil unions were the only thing recognized in law there would be tremendous pressure to make them practical.

 

by canyonrat on 11/10/2008 04:22:01 PM EST

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that pretty much sums it up nicely

Republicans portray the government as the enemy. Then when they take over, they prove it.

by Chinese Democracy on 11/11/2008 12:47:51 AM EST

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I did write about Civil Unions being "separate but equal" without reading and digesting the entire post first.  Trying to surreptitiously participate in discussions at work on breaks makes me move too quickly sometimes!

 While I think the civil unions for everyone makes sense, I think that that would be a harder battle than allowing gays to get married.  Then marriage could simply be defined as "between two consenting adults".  Trying to replace marriage with civil unions, while logical in consideration of separation of church vs. state, would cause a bigger ruckus and potentially undermine any progress that has already been made.  You'll have all kinds of illogical people (the "base" of yes on 8, if you will) getting all fired up about keeping marriage as the term, and they could build up so much support for it that they get all their discriminatory language passed.

 Again, the civil unions argument makes sense.  But because "marriage" has such strong emotional resonance for so many people, it would take much more energy to redefine it altogether than to expand it to include homosexuals.  Tony Perkins and his ilk like to think that marriage has been b/w one man and one woman forever.  They're wrong.  Marriage has been redefined many times throughout millenia, and even redefined in the US since its inception.  It's time to let gay and lesbian couples have their love recognized under the same terminology and laws that straight couples enjoy.

by yul2las on 11/11/2008 05:00:02 PM EST

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