Instability in Thailand caused by corruption of former PM

Just listened to Sean Paul-Kelly comment on Thailand.  As I am in Thailand now and have been here many times (4th time this year), I want to comment on Sean Paul-Kelly's comments on Thailand and the demonstrations.

Sean Paul-Kelly obviously has not spent much time in Thailand and does not understand the political situation here.  His comments about the King are totally untrue.  The King does not want to be the father of Thailand.  He IS already considered the father of Thailand and is greatly beloved. His birthday is Father's day and the Queen's birthday is mother's day. The King is also an American citizen, having been born in America and having  been  schooled in America.  No other county's citizens have the kind of freedom to operate companies in Thailand as US citizens.  They have a one sided treaty with the US that allows American companies to operate there (the Amity treaty).  The king also has no powers in government, although his words carry great weight since he is so beloved.  Thailand has a constitutional monarchy and the King does not use his position to influence the government.  He has suggested at times things that are considered to be critizisms, such as when Thaksin was  PM, that people should place the country ahead of their own beliefs.  He also suggested that it would be best for the country if people did not get so upset (Thaksin had a terrible temper).  But he does not speak for or against policy until it is presented to him for approval (this is what it is meant by a constitutional monarchy).

In the 10 years that  I have been coming to Thailand, there has  been a tremendous growth in infrastructure that would astound most people unfamiliar with Thailand.  In Bangkok, a toll freeway was built, part of which goes to the airport.  Bangkok has some of the worst traffic in the world.  In a recent Time article, one quote that stuck in my mind was (I am paraphrasing here), traffic is considered bad in Bangkok if traffic doesn't move in an hour and considered really bad if it doesn't move in 2 hours.  It used to take over an hour and a half to to get to the airport.  Now, it takes less than 20 minutes using the toll expressway.  They have also built an elevated rail system that is great (less than 50 cents to get most places) and is above the traffic.  They have also recently completed a below ground subway system.  All this in less than 10 years.  They also have built a new airport (the one that was occupied by protesters).  Personally, I believe that most things were done for the huge potential for graft, but that is beside the point.  In the SF bay area, we have been struggling for 15 years to get BART to the South Bay.

My girlfriend in Thailand used to love Thaksin (the former PM) because of the good things that his government has done.  He was brought down because of his corruption.  The point that I think was the turning point for Thaksin was when he sold his family's company, a telecom company (Shin corp) for over $2B.  In the normally snails pace of things in Thailand, the revenue department ruled the day after a request was submitted, that he did not have to pay taxes on the sale which normally would have been about $800M. In a country where the average yearly wage is about $8-10K, this really caught the person on the street's attention. This was the turning point at which people began to be outraged.  This decision was overturned and his family has been charged with crimes related to this and with paying not only the taxes, but big penalties on top as well. The revenue dept people have also been charged as well with crimes.

Next, his wife purchased land at a government sale.  About two weeks after the land was purchased, the land was appraised at  2-3 times the amount she purchased it for.  (He was convicted of helping her acquire the land).  But if you were to ask, I think that his downfall was the result of the following.  A bomb was found near his office or residence and since it was found to be military grade explosives, he blamed the military and used it as an excuse to start making changes to the military by installing his classmates to key positions. It should also be noted that the bomb was found by a former employee of his. He should have known better, since there have been so many military coups over the last  40 years or so. After that, the military turned against him.

Lastly, during his trial, some of his lawyers delivered a lunch package for the presiding judge at the Supreme court.  New security procedures required opening the package, and lo and behold, it was full of money.  The money was photographed and (unbelievably) returned.  But since the money was photographed, the Supreme court had to act and the lawyers were found in contempt of court and jailed for 6 months.  The police have decided not to charge them with bribery (recent news).  To sum it up, it was corruption that brought Thaksin down.  

The demonstrations and citizen's revolt against the government since Thaksin stepped down have been because the governments since then have been former members of Thaksin's government or close to Thaksin. The PM that just stepped down was Thaksin's brother in law.  I don't agree with the demonstrators shutting down the airport, but they felt they had to escalate the protests since 10 protesters had been killed by police and random attacks on them by government supporters.  My girlfriend used to like Thaksin, but now hates him since she knew one of the women killed in a protest.  The beloved Queen even attended the funeral of one of the women killed which I am sure galvanized the protesters.  Grenades have been thrown at protesters which  killed several people - the perps have never been caught.  The police killed a couple of people by using Chinese made non-lethal tear gas, which are more dangerous than US made tear gas and wound up killing people.  After that, the police have become unwilling to confront the protesters.

That's it for now.  These are my thoughts after hearing Sean Paul-Kelly talk about Thailand.

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But I notice you focus heavily on Thaksin who has been out of power now for several years. Why?

It is true his political party has won every election since his ouster but should a political movement be discredited(and the majority of Thais have their votes nullified) because of one man's corruption? A man who doesn't live in the country and is banned from politics?

Would you agree that Thaksin's political party has won every election fairly and by large margins? Shouldn't the Thai people have their votes count?

Lastly, and with all due respect, do you think it's presumptious as a westerner to spend your vacations agitating for anti-democratic coups in foreign lands?

The one thing you never hear the anti-Thaksin forces call for is an election. How very odd.

 

Thanks agian for a thoughtful post. 

by dclawyer06 on 12/20/2008 01:44:25 PM EST

dclawyer06 - in order to answer your questions, some facts have to be clarified here. Your last assertion that "one thing you never hear the anti-Thaksin forces call for is an election" is completely wrong. In fact it has been exactly the opposite. 

There were frequent requests and recommendations over the past year from business groups, trades unions, academics, the military and from the opposition party for house dissolution and new elections while both Samak and Somchai were in power. Their shrill refusals to go to a new election were always justified with the excuse that they were elected to govern last year and that their mandate was still in force. (the principle of "no confidence" having gone out of style)

What was left out of course was that they were only elected as a minority government and that in fact more than half the country voted for parties other than PPP in the last election.

Secondly, you ask us to agree that Thaksin won his elections fairly. This can hardly be the case when it has now been proven in a court of law that much of the vote in the last election was bought. What few foreigners understand is the extent of vote buying in Thailand. If you live here long enough, you begin to understand that it is so entrenched that most people think that "elections" are simply a way to get money from candidates. Every election in Thailand, for village, town, county and provincial chief and on up to members of parliament is accompanied by a vast campaign to distribute cash among the voters. He who has the most cash (as Thaksin always did), is guaranteed to win an election. One of the main reasons for this is that the corrupt middle men - the mafia (prostitution & gambling) bosses, ex police chiefs and local politicians receive huge payoffs for distributing these funds to poor villagers.


The protests during the past year have been because Thai people in general are fed up with this corrupt, feudal system of government.

What western commentators fail to see is that what you are calling democracy is only a thin veneer that purports to resemble democracy enough that it enables governments like Thaksin's to pander to the western press. Inevitably people in the US, Europe, Australia and New Zealand get entirely the wrong impression.

A great many Thais, perhaps the majority will tell you that they disliked the protesters. Thais have a huge aversion to confrontation. But what the protests did do was to advance the level of people participation and civil society in Thailand much further than ever before. And despite what the western press might believe, this has to be good for democracy. At least people here recognise this to be so and were in the main supportive of the objectives of the protest.

by earlywarm on 12/22/2008 01:33:49 AM EST

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Thailand has a pairlamentary system and it's rare for any one party to garner an absolute majority. The coalition that forms after the elections represents the majority.

This from Feb. 2007 Time magazine discussing Thaksin "My new party will be called the Enjoy Life Party," declared Thaksin, who in 2005 commanded the largest-ever electoral mandate in Thai history with his old party..."(Emphasis mine). So the largest-ever mandate in Thai history isn't democratic enough?

Also, as to your argument that anti-Thaksin forces want internationally monitored elections I give you this from UK's telegraph: "The demonstrators' problem is that the government's support among the rural poor gives it a virtually unassailable majority - hence its opponents' blunt rebuff of democratic principles. They argue that rural Thais are too uneducated to elect a parliament directly, and that it should be done largely by appointment instead." Anti-Thaksin forces bluntly rebuff democratic principles. They don't want elections because they can't win them.

Why would the powers-that-be want to see the rural poor voting when, as the Telegraph goes on to point out, "Chief among these opponents (to the government) were the bureaucrats, the military and the monarchy – a troika that has called the shots in Thailand for decades," said Mr Thitinan." It must be so disconcerting when the huddled masses start voting!

Link here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ news/worldnews/asia/thailan d/3178731/Thailands-middle- classes-lead-unlikely-prote st---against-democracy.html

But we can agree to disagree. Cheers! 

by dclawyer06 on 12/22/2008 12:52:46 PM EST

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dclawyer: It seems you still believe that vote buying is part of a legitimate democratic process.

You say nothing at all on that point and instead cite the Telegraph - a UK newspaper with little or no experience in Asia, and what's more, a paper with ultra-conservative views. You would be better to provide evidence from the local English Language papers in Thailand like the Nation which has been very good at presenting a view untainted by Thaksin's US based PR firm. I recommend you read some of the Nation's editorials and letters to the editor. (eg. http://www.nationmultimedia .com/search/read.php?newsid =30091490&keyword=KI+WO O )

Much of these opinions in the western press have overlooked actual events on the ground in Thailand because there is (a) a language barrier and (b) they get most of their commentary from journalists who have only marginal experience of Thailand and persist in trying to analyse the situation in terms of western archetypes such as class struggle, US republican democratic institutions and the "Washington Consensus".

In this region, at the current time with the Americans largely responsible for such a serious economic crisis, countries are far more influenced by what is going on in China, and are willing to consider other, perhaps better paradigms of governance than Washington is able to offer. (see Mark Leonard's "What does China Think?")

I didn't say anything about internationally monitored elections (although that would be a good idea) I only claimed that the opposition to Thaksin's proxy government have been calling for a democratic solution to the current problem during the past year. On Nov 26, at the height of the protests, General Anupong and a group of respected academics and business chiefs called for house dissolution and democratic elections. The proxy government refused. Why?

I think that you would agree that in any other democratic system, a minority government who claims to have an overwhelming majority of voters supporting it would try to go to elections as soon as possible in order to win a new stronger mandate to govern. Evidently Thaksin's proxy party, the PPP knew that if they went to elections they would be trounced. They were determined to avoid this option even if it meant putting up with country wide demonstrations and ultimately chaos at the airports.

by earlywarm on 12/22/2008 10:00:04 PM EST

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you ask "is vote buying legitimate in a democracy?" I can't say it's legit but I can assure you it's rampant; hell it's the way business gets done. Every campaign promise of tax cuts or tax credits, raised wages or government services is an attempt to "buy" votes.

If you disagree try to fiddle with any of them and you'll face the fire. That's not solely a problem in the US. But if your hoping for free and fair elections in Thailand then we're on the same side.

I'll ignore your comment about how countries are increasingly willing to follow the Chinese paradigm because China is a dictatorship and, surely, that's not what you're aimin' for.

Have a great xmas holiday(Bill O'Reilly be damned)! 

by dclawyer06 on 12/22/2008 10:21:47 PM EST

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